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AndyrooMac said...I was making a comparison between hp lb and logging, not saying one is better than the other... point totally missed...

I mean, you can't force a wave into allowing you to noseride, you have to go with it and wait for the right section to present itself then go... and if that's your bliss then what's the harm in that? What style you prefer to watch/surf is up to the individual and each to their own

Na I got your point. I was pretty much agreeing with you and giving my thought as to why all good surfing begins with what you said so maybe you missed mine.
Mine was all good surfing comes from trim, positioning and timing. No matter if it's shorty or Log.
That was pretty much it..
As for what I watch. Don't know how that came into it cause I reckon I lead the way in posting Log clips on here by a long way.
But it doesn't matter to me I can watch any surfing that does those things well.
The pros do it better then any one else. How do think Slater gets barreled of his tits. Trim, positioning and timing the same things that lead to a good nose ride.
My other point was a proper Log[ which fark all people ride, most new logs aren't that traditional despite what the description in a website says] is a pretty one dimensional surf craft and don't suit the majority of waves and therefore make it difficult to position, get it into trim, time turns or even a noseride at somewhere like Noosa a log looks good cause it's suited to a slow fat dribbler but it won't work everywhere that's why surfboards, like it or not have evolved over the past 50 years.
But even though surfboards have changed good surfing is still in my mind based in good positioning, generating speed and timing.