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AA
AA

AA

NSW

2167 posts

20 May 2015 11:04am
We recently had Bert in-store and fired him up with a few beers.
Bert Burger (the man behind the parabolic rail and Firewire) is larger than life with an amazing story of survival through the ups and downs of the surfboard industry since the 70's.

So here it is - the first part of Bert talking about how it all started and an in-depth talk on board design.
Grab a beer as we did, sit back and hear from the brilliant mind of an intelligent and creative man possessed with a life-long desire improve his boards and the experience for all those who use ride them.

Part one of the series covers his history and how outline, contour and rocker affect a boards performance.

I hope you enjoy it as much as we did!



Part 2 on its way!
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

20 May 2015 11:30am
Thanks AA I got to about the 4 min mark will watch later,I love that sort of presentaion just talking about how it was and is.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

20 May 2015 11:51am
Thanks AA - will watch this later
AA
AA

AA

NSW

2167 posts

20 May 2015 12:04pm
Thanks guys, yes it is worthy of a sit down and a beverage at the end of the day. He is at Surf FX tonight if you can get along Mac.
MickPC
MickPC

8266 posts

20 May 2015 5:36pm
I enjoyed that...I'd like to hear Bert talking about a shortboard which appears to have a medium rocker from the side with a late kick in the nose. But the majority of the rocker scooped out enough to make the board have very little rocker through the middle. So you might in effect have a great turning circle when up on rail & also have great speed & easy paddling...I know plenty of people are doing this, I'd just like to hear him talking about it
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

20 May 2015 8:10pm
That was fantastic thanks AA.
laceys lane
laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

20 May 2015 8:59pm
yeah impressive. given me a few things to thinks about
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

20 May 2015 9:29pm
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laceys lane said..
yeah impressive. given me a few things to thinks about


Please no more thinking PLEASE
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

20 May 2015 9:34pm
Tommy #12 on approach Mac. Stand clear of the runway.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

21 May 2015 4:45am
Looking forward to part 2 AA. Can you get to talk more about the construction please

Mac - that 3 stage rocker section was tailor made for you !

chrispy
chrispy

WA

9675 posts

21 May 2015 3:46am
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Ted the Kiwi said..
Looking forward to part 2 AA. Can you get to talk more about the construction please

Mac - that 3 stage rocker section was tailor made for you !



yep I loved the rocker part..like his idea on making the tail flat for speed. I would still rather a JD over his pop outs though
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

21 May 2015 6:18am
The old three stage rocker,what came first the chicken or the egg

That clip at the end was a very good example of the flatter tail rocker I would have liked to have seen more.
laceys lane
laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

21 May 2015 7:37am
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Macaha said...
The old three stage rocker,what came first the chicken or the egg

That clip at the end was a very good example of the flatter tail rocker I would have liked to have seen more.


I thought I saw bob in the background lurking about and taking notes
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

21 May 2015 7:47am
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laceys lane said..

Macaha said...
The old three stage rocker,what came first the chicken or the egg

That clip at the end was a very good example of the flatter tail rocker I would have liked to have seen more.



I thought I saw bob in the background lurking about and taking notes


Bob told me to tell you to sled off
laceys lane
laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

21 May 2015 7:53am
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Macaha said...
laceys lane said..

Macaha said...
The old three stage rocker,what came first the chicken or the egg

That clip at the end was a very good example of the flatter tail rocker I would have liked to have seen more.



I thought I saw bob in the background lurking about and taking notes


Bob told me to tell you to sled off


Haha bag me but not my shaper hey

Dont know if I can use my mct nose rider this weekend
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

21 May 2015 7:58am
Why cant you ride your mct nose rider this weekend oh forecast guru?
Hang on you got a what?
laceys lane
laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

21 May 2015 8:20am
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Macaha said...
Why cant you ride your mct nose rider this weekend oh forecast guru?
Hang on you got a what?


What did I say.ooòps
AA
AA

AA

NSW

2167 posts

21 May 2015 9:29am
Here ya go boys. Stoked your enjoying it! Part 2 with more to come!



The man makes perfect sense even after a few beers!
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

21 May 2015 9:40am
Just one other observation from that first video was the size of his hands - huge!! Must paddle like a demon
laceys lane
laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

21 May 2015 9:52am
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Ted the Kiwi said...
Just one other observation from that first video was the size of his hands - huge!! Must paddle like a demon


Crazy ted. Get him to mould up his hands for you and you can have bb paddle gloves

Some fascinating stuff by the man
MickPC
MickPC

8266 posts

21 May 2015 8:34am
Cheers for the share, the part about rail shape & thickness was the most interesting part for me here
Cuttlefish
Cuttlefish

QLD

1332 posts

21 May 2015 6:54pm
Most excellent clips. I like how he's pointing out the importance of surface area vs straight up volume of foam.
AA
AA

AA

NSW

2167 posts

24 May 2015 9:14am
Stoked you guys are enjoying them too. How's his encyclopaedic brain for board and numbers
recalling the dimensions of his boards going back 20 years or more!

This session was one the most interesting of all to me.

CRUNCHY vs POLYWAFFLE


MickPC
MickPC

8266 posts

24 May 2015 8:06am
Another interesting vid, cheers for the share...I did always think stringers were about strength, not flex...enjoyed/enjoying this series
Ricardo1709
Ricardo1709

NSW

1302 posts

24 May 2015 2:16pm
That just made me realise how little I know about the intricacies of surfboard design, switched on or what
AA
AA

AA

NSW

2167 posts

24 May 2015 6:29pm
Yeah they need to wheel out Bert more often. He's a walking, talking encyclopaedia.

On the Flex note, you can feel the flex in his SUP's but it is way more subtle due to the thickness of the board.
On a Mal it is a whole different ball game. I rode his JR 9'2 Pro today in some decent waves down our way and wow - there is life in there!
I have always loved my epoxy Mal's for their swing weight but nothing compares with a light board which also gives back
It felt like carving a snowboard.







chrispy
chrispy

WA

9675 posts

24 May 2015 5:51pm
so enjoyed that. never thought about fin systems and flex before,yet it makes so much sense. really the whole flex thing made sense after watching that vid...to think I always thought stringers were there for strength


laceys lane
laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

24 May 2015 8:18pm
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chrispy said..
so enjoyed that. never thought about fin systems and flex before,yet it makes so much sense. really the whole flex thing made sense after watching that vid...to think I always thought stringers were there for strength




yeah ive got a lightweigh wombat coming and was asked new or old fcs system.


making a phone call on monday
RoyStuart
RoyStuart

532 posts

26 May 2015 1:26am
A nice blend of fact and fiction.
RoyStuart
RoyStuart

532 posts

26 May 2015 1:28am
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AA said..
Yeah they need to wheel out Bert more often. He's a walking, talking encyclopaedia.

On the Flex note, you can feel the flex in his SUP's but it is way more subtle due to the thickness of the board.
On a Mal it is a whole different ball game. I rode his JR 9'2 Pro today in some decent waves down our way and wow - there is life in there!
I have always loved my epoxy Mal's for their swing weight but nothing compares with a light board which also gives back
It felt like carving a snowboard.








If the flex is ruined by fin boxes tying up the tail as claimed then what's the long central box doing there?


RoyStuart
RoyStuart

532 posts

26 May 2015 1:45am
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Cuttlefish said..
Most excellent clips. I like how he's pointing out the importance of surface area vs straight up volume of foam.



That part was good, though painfully obvious and containing factual errors e.g. 'planing hulls don't displace water' (they always do).

The Bernoulli part was utter BS though, the same old cringeworthy myth based on the equal transit time nonsense taught in high school.
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