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bobajob said..
Better they look at the girls than stare at your butt in the surf while you stand there

(Just in case anyone didn't see it, I was making a joke related to the comment I made about the sexy girls on SUP thread.)

I had an idea about this. On the assumption that it is just our group in the water, and on the assumption that there has already been some hogging and drop-ins, what if we had a simple system:

When you get out to the line-up you call "Yep?"
The person who is due to ride last (i.e. the last person to the line-up) replies "Me!"

Therefore you know you catch the wave after that person.

If anyone paddles for a wave (so that no one else can get it), they should go to the end of the line. They can call "Yep?" and the last person replies "Me!". If they don't call "Yep?" then maybe someone else can do it for them - "Hey Tony, you're after Rob".

If nothing else it shows intent to be fair.

Of course, it could go pear shaped if someone catches a wave that the lead guy rejected (but did not paddle for)... But it would not be hard to figure out the new sequence.

I know, I am overthinking it, but after the issues on the last three trips we need some sort of system...

That sounds way too structured, most people go surfing to get away from the structured existence they have on dry land.

I could see it now, "me" goes paddling for a wave, but at the same time, some other guy, closer to the peak, yells out "coming down!", "me" backs off.

The first and biggest problem, why would you go on surf trip with 10 other blokes in the first place?

You are taking the problem with you. That is of course unless you can solve most of humanities problems. I think not.

In any group of ten there is going to be:-
A gun surfer .
A bully.
A weak surfer.
A timid person etc etc etc

If you must go on a trip with your own crowd sit down with all of them before you leave and set the ground rules and have everyone agree to them.

Not rocket science. Best advice, organise your own trip with one other and travel to places that you select and that offer alternates to crowds.


ET.

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E T said..
The first and biggest problem, why would you go on surf trip with 10 other blokes in the first place?

You are taking the problem with you. That is of course unless you can solve most of humanities problems. I think not.

In any group of ten there is going to be:-
A gun surfer .
A bully.
A weak surfer.
A timid person etc etc etc

If you must go on a trip with your own crowd sit down with all of them before you leave and set the ground rules and have everyone agree to them.

Not rocket science. Best advice, organise your own trip with one other and travel to places that you select and that offer alternates to crowds.


ET.

You're right - I have been asking myself the same question. We are going on a nice boat that takes us to lots of breaks - we get variety and we can keep moving if there are other boats, no swell, bad winds, etc. Last time we had a total of 8, but that is still a crowd. This year the others want to reduce the price by having more surfers. Bad idea...

Having said that, when the weather and swell line up, I know exactly why I do it.

@mastbender - I agree, it is supposed to be just fun...

I think we'll all need to have a chat about it...

Easy one to answer, as I do Indo trips with mates that don't sup. I take my short boards and sup, go surfing with them first and sup between sessions, simple as that. My last trip I surfed each morning, then supped while they were eating etc, then surfed again or late arvo sup. Even without the sup you may have that issue, but if you are all real surfers, you will all learn to time your surfs so the line up is never packed with the whole boat.

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ChrisClarke1 said..
Easy one to answer, as I do Indo trips with mates that don't sup. I take my short boards and sup, go surfing with them first and sup between sessions, simple as that. My last trip I surfed each morning, then supped while they were eating etc, then surfed again or late arvo sup. Even without the sup you may have that issue, but if you are all real surfers, you will all learn to time your surfs so the line up is never packed with the whole boat.

Good idea.

And that is something we need to try more - not having the entire boat in the water at the same time.

I'd get some new friends if that's what happens on a surf trip.

Wouldn't be worrying about your own pals....it's all the other groups who turn up at the same break.

Maybe use the system that has worked for the lat however many years...deepest guys go first in order of whoever has been waiting longest shoulder hoppers get the leftover,...if your supping in the deep part just use the lineup and dont be a greedy prick....if your on the shoulder nut up or suck it up

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Tux said..
Maybe use the system that has worked for the lat however many years...deepest guys go first in order of whoever has been waiting longest shoulder hoppers get the leftover,...if your supping in the deep part just use the lineup and dont be a greedy prick....if your on the shoulder nut up or suck it up

That's basically been how it works. I sit with the deepest guys and wait my turn. (Some guys still paddle, bail, and assume they haven't used their turn.) The rest sit on the shoulder and fight over the scraps. They have sucked it up - but they are not really happy about it.

This post was about finding a better way so a guy who has paid > $5000 to surf in the tropics is able to catch as many waves as a more experienced guy who is able to catch the wave deeper.

And it is about finding a better way so I am not labeled a greedy prick before I have even paddled out.

Your topic about wave priority has been restrictive to a crew of friends inboard like a family.

But every one pays $5000 to enter that family. So as any family get in troubles sometimes with more and more divorces coming up , this topic would be extended not at any pack of customers sharing the same paradise but a wave accounting at an average $50 each wave.

My solution would be a cash box right on the deck inboard with free beers when coming in.

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cantSUPenough said..
This post was about finding a better way so a guy who has paid > $5000 to surf in the tropics is able to catch as many waves as a more experienced guy who is able to catch the wave deeper.

Why not just sell your excess waves to your mates - simple solution. If they paid $5k they probably would not mind if it was $5.5k. So just do a deal with 2 of them for $500. They each pay you $500 to give them waves - you take off deep after waiting your turn - and on every third wave you flick off and give it to one of the two on your inside. Your trip costs drops to $4k. And you reduce the number of people that get annoyed - you are happy as your trip is cheaper, the pack at the top of the peak notices no difference and two of the blokes on the inside are stoked. So probably only 2 people left who are annoyed. Well thats better than 9!

Now the 2 (your cohort of mischievous partners) will be worn out after an hour or two with all the extra paddling they are doing - from all the extra waves they are getting thanks to you - and will be worn out - reducing the lineup by another two blokes - sooner rather than later. Its a win win win. Now over the course of a few weeks their fitness will improve - but by then maybe their confidence will as well and they will move out towards the peak and sit a bit deeper. Now they are sharing waves with the main pac - not with you - so you get your share of waves back !

Its a win win all round. Choose your victims well and then go forth and dominate

By the way the Indo boys have been paid handsomely over the years for taking the Japs surfing - they give them waves all day long by burning lots of other punters. There is no need for you to burn anyone here - just do it nicely and everyone is a winner.

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cantSUPenough said..
This post was about finding a better way so a guy who has paid > $5000 to surf in the tropics is able to catch as many waves as a more experienced guy who is able to catch the wave deeper.

Why not just sell your excess waves to your mates - simple solution. If they paid $5k they probably would not mind if it was $5.5k. So just do a deal with 2 of them for $500. They each pay you $500 to give them waves - you take off deep after waiting your turn - and on every third wave you flick off and give it to one of the two on your inside. Your trip costs drops to $4k. And you reduce the number of people that get annoyed - you are happy as your trip is cheaper, the pack at the top of the peak notices no difference and two of the blokes on the inside are stoked. So probably only 2 people left who are annoyed. Well thats better than 9!

Now the 2 (your cohort of mischievous partners) will be worn out after an hour or two with all the extra paddling they are doing - from all the extra waves they are getting thanks to you - and will be worn out - reducing the lineup by another two blokes - sooner rather than later. Its a win win win. Now over the course of a few weeks their fitness will improve - but by then maybe their confidence will as well and they will move out towards the peak and sit a bit deeper. Now they are sharing waves with the main pac - not with you - so you get your share of waves back !

Its a win win all round. Choose your victims well and then go forth and dominate

By the way the Indo boys have been paid handsomely over the years for taking the Japs surfing - they give them waves all day long by burning lots of other punters. There is no need for you to burn anyone here - just do it nicely and everyone is a winner.

Now that is a creative solution!

I used to take exotic surf trips into the Indo area, but after getting back and figuring out how much I paid for each wave, it kinda took the enjoyment out of it.
At least it wasn't as bad as what happened to one of my friends, who broke his ankle on the second day of a 10 stay on Namotu, he got 3 waves at close to $1000 USD each. Then he gained weight by hanging out eating and drinking while everybody else was surfing.

I know, I know, that's not the way to view a surf trip, but trying not to can be hard.

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Mastbender said..
I used to take exotic surf trips into the Indo area, but after getting back and figuring out how much I paid for each wave, it kinda took the enjoyment out of it.
At least it wasn't as bad as what happened to one of my friends, who broke his ankle on the second day of a 10 stay on Namotu, he got 3 waves at close to $1000 USD each. Then he gained weight by hanging out eating and drinking while everybody else was surfing.

I know, I know, that's not the way to view a surf trip, but trying not to can be hard.

I try not to think about the cost per wave... On our last trip we had some wind but the swell was pretty good for most of the trip so our wave count was good and the wave quality was good. Also our boat had a dive master and gear so I went on 6 dives and was certified at a higher level - so that added to the value/fun. But my brother-in-law went through the same thing on our first Indo trip - did his knee on the third day and barely caught another wave. And on our last trip he had a bum shoulder... But I like having the trip to look forward to (plus it drives me to get to "peak" fitness and I lose weight), and I like the challenge of the fast reef waves.

i often find those who are struggling to surf competently and catch waves are usually the ones most pissed off about the presence of sup surfers. It's a very common situation where I will be surfing with one or more prone surfers who through age, skill level or fitness are unable to catch enough waves or surf well enough to have an enjoyable surf. My being there ( despite strict adherence to the surf code and a high level of courtesy) suddenly gives them an excuse as to why they can't catch a wave to save their lives and they proceed to then give the stink eye or employ there best tactics to annoy me.

I often feel like reminding these people that even if sups had never been invented they would still be kooks and that if I paddle to the next break down they aren't going to immediately transform into a competent surfer!

But I dont I usually just ignore and do my best to have a fun surf

my comment to them:

"your lousy wave count has nil to do wIth me"

i often get a giggle:

i will paddle out, get the eye from a group in the lineup, then chill a bit and watch--only to see that these guys cant catch a wave if their lives depended on it

and like colas i cant stand the guys who continually paddle for waves, never actually take any, then have attitude when they get dropped, as though that was to be the one wave they finally were going to take after pulling out of 10 or more

fock dat ****--