Area10 said..

linter said...
yeah, area10, i think you're probably right about the machado vid. even for me, now that i look at it again, it's a little too minimal. but i still stand by my original thesis, that SUP has yet to produce any rider who can do the equivalent of what joel tudor does on a longboard. or maybe it's not a matter of "can do". maybe it's more a matter of inclination; if that's the case, i sure hope it changes soon.

Well, actually I'm very sympathetic to your main point. I think SUP shortboarding is a pretty dire emulation of prone shortboarding, and that SUP longboarding is generally a poor replica of prone longboarding. The problem is that rather than using our obvious unique feature (the paddle) to develop new moves that have never been seen before in surfing, we are just borrowing from other disciplines. But soon some young buck will come up with a signature move that can't be done without a paddle and then SUP surfing will have come of age.

I don't think either of you have made a good case for why sup has to be different to either short or longboarding. All three forms have the same intent which is to catch and ride waves. What about kneelos? Or body boards? Or body surfers? Each evolves by picking up the good points of the others - whether they do it better or not is in the eye of the beholder and how they appreciate the style, positioning and degree of difficulty. With surfing around for so long by comparison, I'd like to see a new sup move that hasn't been done before and is either functional or not a kids trick.

Good surfing is good surfing. Doesn't matter what you ride. i reckon Gut 's bottom turns on that last wave were red hot - he was getting both speed and about 15-20 yards out of them on a tank, which is not easy but he made it look it.

Of course nobody on a sup will ever be on a level footing with a paddle and all that foam underneath them. Joel Tudor, besides being a freak of nature like Kelly, rides boards that are so much easier to surf well on. If sup-style boards were the way to ride waves like he does, why isn't he on something 26-28" wide and 4" thick?

I think sup will reach "maturity" when people stop talking about the issue of maturity. Til then we sound like a pack of grommets wishing we were sitting closer to the peak.

But when you do find that footage of the good sup/mal surfing please do post it.

I guess it all just comes down to the the life long Mal debate Traditional vs Progressive. Beaver flap logger riding or vertical snaps. It's all surfing just do what you enjoy.

i tend to agree, more or less, with all the more recent responses. and, yes, tudor is a freak of nature, but, man, would i ever love to see him spend some time on a longboard SUP and glimpse what he, as a one-of-a-kind traditional longboard rider, would and could do with it. i bet that'd be pretty interesting.

The DT surftech boards look pretty good too, particularly the Alii IV 10'3". But I still reckon its a bit big to surf with sufficient ease. Is anyone making boards around the 110-120 litre mark about 9'8"- 9'4"x26.5"x4"? A mal-style nose and the length would add to stability, I reckon. Flat rocker, mono concave into a bit of vee.......?

Joe Aaron and CJ Nelson are IMHO the most entertaining longboarders to watch.


I guess this is a bit had to rate as progressive or traditional, as even on his most traditional approach to it seems pretty progressive to me!

Joe is actually a pretty decent supper as well:

Kami said..

broadman said..

So anyone have any suggestions on the sup ( length, width, make ) that best suits crusie long board style riding that nose rides as well

THE SURFER STAND UP PADDLE BOARD IN 10, 10'6, 11', 11'6, OR 12'
http://lairdhamilton.com/collections/sup/products/surfer

I've got the Laird 10'6" and ride it as a single fin (9" Fatboy fin). Nose rides a treat and performs just like a mal. If I had the skills of a 'Tudor or Beau Young', that board would just hum.

Man, this topic is great. The videos etc are top shelf. Please keep them coming.

Kami said..

JohnnyMaya said..
Joe is actually a pretty decent supper as well:

linter said..

i tend to agree, more or less, with all the more recent responses. and, yes, tudor is a freak of nature, but, man, would i ever love to see him spend some time on a longboard SUP and glimpse what he, as a one-of-a-kind traditional longboard rider, would and could do with it. i bet that'd be pretty interesting.

Yes, he has to spent more time on a longboardSUP...
On a longboard like seen on the first video, Tudor and his board are a single element.
On second video he is far away not mastering paddle and board, it seems to me there is 3 elements.
And that board is a clunky board compare of his longboard surfed on the first video.
Look at this video , i would like to see Tudor using paddle as Delpero does.

#t=10

Sorry. That's not surfing! That's just tricks.

Hey Linter.... here's a short clip that you should enjoy....Dave has nice tip riding style... his nose pose nails it

colas said..

linter said..
i'm beginning to think the problem lies in SUPs as a shape -- they're clunky and wide and unlike a longboard

Actually, not necessarily... read the "paddlesurf" thread and the trend to use actual prone longboards as SUPs...

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/The-Paddlesurf

PS: me, I sold my longboards once I discovered the Simmons... Simmons give you the "glide fix" of longboards even if you don't have the waves for it.

Simmons, colas? More info please!

Piros said..

it really irkes me to see waves wasted by some wanna be style master plane through a section where it should have been smacked or cut back

I guess I'm just lucky that when the waves have tempted me to bust out the 11' log, I can still love the feel of a real trimmed out longboard glide.

And I guess you're lucky that I'm not surfing at your beach.

Piros said..

JohnnyMaya

Mate those vid's are traditional all day with a slash of flair. I love technique and style but it really irkes me to see waves wasted by some wanna be style master plane through a section where it should have been smacked or cut back .Each to his own but some mal riding styles have become like coffee sipping suckers in Hastings street in Noosa. Surfing is a way of life not a pretend style of life.

What an absolute crock of crap

there just havin fun in there own way. If you dont like it, dont watch them.

Tang said..
Simmons, colas? More info please!

See www.minisimmonssurfboards.com/shape-your-own-mini-simmons-surfboard/
joebsurfshapes.com/mini-simmons/

I use the Gong AS, you can see more pics at gongsupshop.com/GONG-SUP-80-AS-CARIBOU click on "Affichage" at the bottom center of the main pic gallery on to of the page.



You also have Simmons / Fish hybrids nowadays, see: www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/simsup/
Wide, short, thin, flat is where the planing fun is!

Xavier enjoys some longboard SUPing