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angie pangi
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10 Aug 2013 7:17pm
Good luck to aussie Jake Jensen for the racing in Lake Tahoe this weekend.
Keep an eye out for the results, hopefully he smashes them on his new Red boards :)
x angie
teatrea
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11 Aug 2013 8:21pm
Apparently he got second to the Tahitian fella in a run up the beach , and the original winner got DQ for drafting of the unlimited boards.Well done Jakey a good warm upRed is definately the fastest colour , yellow is for Daiseys
angie pangi
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12 Aug 2013 9:24am
So he ended up 2nd yesterday and 2nd today!! on fire. Well done jakey.

x angie
Piros
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12 Aug 2013 10:51am
teatrea said..

Apparently he got second to the Tahitian fella in a run up the beach , and the original winner got DQ for drafting of the unlimited boards.Well done Jakey a good warm upRed is definately the fastest colour , yellow is for Daiseys


hahahaa.....
teatrea
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12 Aug 2013 11:18am
Well done mate , great start to the campaign , keep up the good work the winners check is not far in front
Ashton19
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12 Aug 2013 2:01pm
Great work Jake. Saw on supracer that there was yet another misunderstanding about the prize money.

* Turns out it wasn?t $10,000? bit of an issue at the end of the day an quite a few of the elite paddlers left the beach disgruntled. Hopefully it?ll be resolved tonight but if not I?m sure you?ll hear about it in a day or two?

husq2100
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12 Aug 2013 6:13pm
angie pangi said..

So he ended up 2nd yesterday and 2nd today!! on fire. Well done jakey.

x angie


Supracer has him listed as 3rd in distance and 2nd in elite???
PTWoody
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12 Aug 2013 6:30pm
Ashton19 said..

Great work Jake. Saw on supracer that there was yet another misunderstanding about the prize money.

* Turns out it wasn?t $10,000? bit of an issue at the end of the day an quite a few of the elite paddlers left the beach disgruntled. Hopefully it?ll be resolved tonight but if not I?m sure you?ll hear about it in a day or two?



Ouch - you'd be pretty pissed off to find out after the race that the money isn't there. The sport doesn't need this.
teatrea
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12 Aug 2013 7:53pm
Money or not looked an awesome place to paddle with some great numbers and support.I wouldnt be complaining too much if my sponsor wanted to send me their to paddleThe pros , the elite need to realize they will make no money if their are no events to enter , its not all about the prizemoney , or shouldnt be! The prize money will become bigger as the events become bigger not the other way around.Anyways im fully stoked for Jake the Muss , he is a weapon and hes going to the top , sooner or later
husq2100
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12 Aug 2013 7:56pm
teatrea said..

Money or not looked an awesome place to paddle with some great numbers and support.I wouldnt be complaining too much if my sponsor wanted to send me their to paddleThe pros , the elite need to realize they will make no money if their are no events to enter , its not all about the prizemoney , or shouldnt be! The prize money will become bigger as the events become bigger not the other way around.Anyways im fully stoked for Jake the Muss , he is a weapon and hes going to the top , sooner or later


well said TT
paul.j
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12 Aug 2013 8:04pm
Yeah money's great but if we went just for the money we would be pretty stupid!! I do it for the fun and good competition and if I happen to win some coin that's just a bonus.
Does suck if they were promising money and then decided not to pay at the last minute though!!
teatrea
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12 Aug 2013 8:34pm
paul.j said..

Yeah money's great but if we went just for the money we would be pretty stupid!! I do it for the fun and good competition and if I happen to win some coin that's just a bonus.
Does suck if they were promising money and then decided not to pay at the last minute though!!


Yep true , but they possibly had a sponsor commit and not deliver who knows , but the big bucks will come so long as the grass roots are respected and catered for.The gun paddlers will do themselves a huge favour by not only enetring the money events , but showing up at any eventMany do already and this is what makes SUP unique so far , a weekend warrior can enter a race next to the pros , this should stay and be encoureged i rekon.Sup wil do itself a huge disfavour if it breeds elitism , all for one and one for all
BeauOBrian
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12 Aug 2013 8:54pm
There are a lot of paddlers out there that chase the money not the competition. I know myself that if they offered a cash prize pool for a race that cost $200 to enter and then don't pay up I would be pissed. I am pretty sure a couple of those top 4 paddlers would not have gone to Tahoe if there was no prize money. If its advertised pay up. Sponsored riders do have it easier than some but still it doesn't fully cover being away from home expenses.
RJK
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12 Aug 2013 9:14pm
teatrea said..

paul.j said..

Yeah money's great but if we went just for the money we would be pretty stupid!! I do it for the fun and good competition and if I happen to win some coin that's just a bonus.
Does suck if they were promising money and then decided not to pay at the last minute though!!


Yep true , but they possibly had a sponsor commit and not deliver who knows , but the big bucks will come so long as the grass roots are respected and catered for.The gun paddlers will do themselves a huge favour by not only enetring the money events , but showing up at any eventMany do already and this is what makes SUP unique so far , a weekend warrior can enter a race next to the pros , this should stay and be encoureged i rekon.Sup wil do itself a huge disfavour if it breeds elitism , all for one and one for all


I agree teatrea! Its great when some of the goldy crew come up for the small races here on the coast, much more exciting for us wannabies
skebstebamal
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12 Aug 2013 9:47pm
I agree with Beau... if people are paying thousands of dollars to get to a race, its pretty tough to pull the pin on prize money.

not a biggy for locals. They may not get the top paddlers back next year.
teatrea
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12 Aug 2013 10:03pm
BeauOBrian said..

There are a lot of paddlers out there that chase the money not the competition. I know myself that if they offered a cash prize pool for a race that cost $200 to enter and then don't pay up I would be pissed. I am pretty sure a couple of those top 4 paddlers would not have gone to Tahoe if there was no prize money. If its advertised pay up. Sponsored riders do have it easier than some but still it doesn't fully cover being away from home expenses.


fair enough , its not about chasing the money the best paddlers put in an insane amount time and energy to be where they are and to get some coin for the effort is justified for sure.If those top four paddlers wouldnt have gone to Tahoe but for the prizemoney , well they need to puit their egos in check is all i can saySup is a minnow sport , on the world stage or domestic stage.What i am saying is if the gun paddlers support events the money will come , really what are we talking here , certainley not cattle stations?Whats the biggest prizemoney in sup the BOP , 20Gs total prize pool , I know bush footballers who get that for a season(and dont put in nearly as much work as the top paddlers).Dont kid yourselves , help the sport grow and you will reap the benefits.Thats goes for you too Jake , dont get to big for your boots
Downwinder
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12 Aug 2013 10:06pm
Thats why these so called BOP races are a big toss outside of your local club level in Australia. This is a sport that the SLSA should take a hold of then it may become something big like the Uncle Tobies ironman/ironwomen BOP SUP Series. Then it wold work in this Country.
Unless you are somebody like Rainbow Sandals in the USA that run's the Best and Biggest BOP event on the Planet, elite paddlers in Australia are pissing into the wind if they think this sport is going to grow in Australia.
Your local SUP shop dealer can't afford to put there hands in there pockets to sponsor a BOP SUP event. But you'll see them at your local SUP club round making an appearance to sell you there product.
Like Paddleboarding is big in the USA because of Hennessey's a local PUB chain. The best thing ever to back a Paddleboard Race and a fun place to hang after a race for a beer or a Paddleboard Presentation.

I'm a Downwind Padder and love Downwind Racing and there are only 4 Downwind Paddle Races that I know of that are the only Downwind Races worth going to on the whole Planet the rest are just a waist of time and money.
!. Snapper 2 Alley run by Surfing Queensland
2. Maui Paddleboard Race
3. Pai'lolo Channel Crossing M2M
4. Molokai Channel M2O
surf4fun
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12 Aug 2013 9:47pm
Downwinder said...

I'm a Downwind Padder and love Downwind Racing and there are only 4 Downwind Paddle Races that I know of that are the only Downwind Races worth going to on the whole Planet the rest are just a waist of time and money.
!. Snapper 2 Alley run by Surfing Queensland
2. Maui Paddleboard Race
3. Pai'lolo Channel Crossing M2M
4. Molokai Channel M2O


That's a big call DW.

Ali Cat
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13 Aug 2013 12:36am
BeauOBrian said..
If its advertised pay up. Sponsored riders do have it easier than some but still it doesn't fully cover being away from home expenses.


Gotta agree with Beau here. As awesome as it would be for the elite paddlers to not have to worry about money at all and just do it for the fun of the racing, there's just not enough money in SUP racing yet for it to be a viable career option for more than a select few who've worked hard to get there and have a managed to secure lucrative sponsorship deals to support them.

To advertise a certain prize (down to a specific $ amount for the top 10 guys & 5 girls) get the paddlers there, and then not pay up isn't the way to grow the sport (regardless of the particular circumstances).

I don't know anyone who has taken up sup racing "for the money" and to start this sport at its current stage of development, in that mindset just wouldn't work. Pretty much every elite paddler I know froths on the sport and is doing the sport because they enjoy it.

Having the elite line up beside weekend warriors is something great about the sport. But participation by the elite paddlers in their local races (with no prize money) is completely different to travelling across the country or world to race for a prize that's then not awarded. Im all for elite crew mixing it with novices in local events at their home, but there's loads of local races around the world each week without prize money and you can hardly say that elite paddlers ego's are what's stopping them from competing in each and every one of these events!

As great as it would be to say the money doesn't matter, its simple economics that will determine whether racing in a particular overseas event is viable - there needs to be a chance of making some $ back or good exposure for the sponsor (often both) for it to be worthwhile - and then the riders still need to cover costs back home while they're on the road.

Even for the riders who have the expenses of travelling & racing covered by their sponsors, they've still got mortgages/rent and other bills to pay at home (not many of thier sponsors will cover these too) and jobs that they can't indefinitely put on hold or expect just to walk back into when they feel like it and someone else can hold the fort while they're away. For the majority of the sponsored paddlers out there, the loss of income at home and/or bills that still need to be paid are what the prize money will offset - and if there's zero chance of meeting these obligations then there's a big limit to how much racing you can do (regardless of whether you're paid to get there).

Despite the travelling/racing part being for fun, there's not a lot of sup'ers who get a full time salary to do what they love, so for most, the economics will determine how much fun they can afford to have.

The reality is that the chances of prize money covering your costs to get to a race in the sport are still pretty slim - even for the select races with a big enough 1st prize to do so, there's probably 5-15 guys who could take it (or alternatively, you) out, so you're mostly just racing to cover your obligations back home, and occasionally a bit of extra cash to spare.

When you weigh up the costs, the chances of coming out on top are next-to-zip for the self-funded paddler and slim to mildly possible for the majority of elite sponsored paddlers.

When you look at the numbers of people who do travel to race, it just highlights how much people do enjoy our sport and what they're willing to put in or sacrifice because it is fun!


PS Congrats Jakey! Awesome results on the weekend (prize money or not)!
JDJ
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13 Aug 2013 6:37am
Just to clear everything up the problem with the Prize money giving was not due to sponsors pulling out or lack of participants over the WHOLE 2 day event. The amount of prize money was clearly displayed at registration and announced all day over the speakers by presenters even at the start of the final event. We were only told by the race organiser that the money had been cut when going to collect our checks. His excuse was there wasn't as many people in the elite as he wanted, total participation over the whole event was great. Sure it's not all about the money and Tahoe is definitely one of the best places I have paddled but crappy race directors and an unorganised event definitely put you off from wanting to come back next year.

There were about 40 companies displaying products on the beach with the price for those displaying being $1000 to $2000 per tent. Also permits for the beach were well under 10000 easily being covered by a couple of displays. The problem with most race organises today is that they do because they believe they are going to make some coin not because they want to see the sport grow
DavidJohn
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13 Aug 2013 7:15am
JDJ said..

Just to clear everything up the problem with the Prize money giving was not due to sponsors pulling out or lack of participants over the WHOLE 2 day event. The amount of prize money was clearly displayed at registration and announced all day over the speakers by presenters even at the start of the final event. We were only told by the race organiser that the money had been cut when going to collect our checks. His excuse was there wasn't as many people in the elite as he wanted, total participation over the whole event was great. Sure it's not all about the money and Tahoe is definitely one of the best places I have paddled but crappy race directors and an unorganised event definitely put you off from wanting to come back next year.

There were about 40 companies displaying products on the beach with the price for those displaying being $1000 to $2000 per tent. Also permits for the beach were well under 10000 easily being covered by a couple of displays. The problem with most race organises today is that they do because they believe they are going to make some coin not because they want to see the sport grow


That sucks.. big time..

DJ
paul.j
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13 Aug 2013 7:18am
JDJ said...
Just to clear everything up the problem with the Prize money giving was not due to sponsors pulling out or lack of participants over the WHOLE 2 day event. The amount of prize money was clearly displayed at registration and announced all day over the speakers by presenters even at the start of the final event. We were only told by the race organiser that the money had been cut when going to collect our checks. His excuse was there wasn't as many people in the elite as he wanted, total participation over the whole event was great. Sure it's not all about the money and Tahoe is definitely one of the best places I have paddled but crappy race directors and an unorganised event definitely put you off from wanting to come back next year.

There were about 40 companies displaying products on the beach with the price for those displaying being $1000 to $2000 per tent. Also permits for the beach were well under 10000 easily being covered by a couple of displays. The problem with most race organises today is that they do because they believe they are going to make some coin not because they want to see the sport grow


Yep that sucks balls!!!
angie pangi
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13 Aug 2013 8:04am
oh well. you will just have to win at the Battle of the Bay this weekend jakey lol

See ya in chicago soon buddy.

x angie
Ali Cat
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13 Aug 2013 9:17am
That really sucks Jake!

Better go win in San Fran to make up the difference.

Good luck for this weekend!
Adapt
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13 Aug 2013 12:25pm
JDJ said...
Just to clear everything up the problem with the Prize money giving was not due to sponsors pulling out or lack of participants over the WHOLE 2 day event. The amount of prize money was clearly displayed at registration and announced all day over the speakers by presenters even at the start of the final event. We were only told by the race organiser that the money had been cut when going to collect our checks. His excuse was there wasn't as many people in the elite as he wanted, total participation over the whole event was great. Sure it's not all about the money and Tahoe is definitely one of the best places I have paddled but crappy race directors and an unorganised event definitely put you off from wanting to come back next year.

There were about 40 companies displaying products on the beach with the price for those displaying being $1000 to $2000 per tent. Also permits for the beach were well under 10000 easily being covered by a couple of displays. The problem with most race organises today is that they do because they believe they are going to make some coin not because they want to see the sport grow


So I wonder if this event will be boycotted by the elite racers until the event organizer is changed? Bad business decision by this person!
teatrea
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13 Aug 2013 1:58pm
just goes to show , you should get all the facts before posting , DohAnd dont post whilst intoxicatedThat does suck , oh well like Angie said good motivation to win the next one
Al Hunter
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13 Aug 2013 4:10pm
They just should do like EUROSUPA in europe. You have to put the money aside and depending how much money you can guarantee it will a 1 star up to 5 star event, each level meaning a different minimum prize pool. And if the organiser doesn?t pay the padllers then he loses his EUROSUPA accreditation and everybody is now aware that this particular organiser defaulted on paying what he promised so it?s up to you to enter his next race but at least you know what to expect.
As long as it is EUROSUPA accredited you are pretty safe. A bit like a seller rating on Ebay...

Another advice to secure some cash would be to do like jacko, bring your wife. In case you don't make the top spot and get the cash she does
laceys lane
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teatrea said..

just goes to show , you should get all the facts before posting , DohAnd dont post whilst intoxicatedThat does suck , oh well like Angie said good motivation to win the next one



sorry andrew, couldn't resist

teatrea
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14 Aug 2013 12:40am
Lacey


Fair bit of it goes on around here.
Leroy13
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14 Aug 2013 6:45am
JDJ said..

Just to clear everything up the problem with the Prize money giving was not due to sponsors pulling out or lack of participants over the WHOLE 2 day event. The amount of prize money was clearly displayed at registration and announced all day over the speakers by presenters even at the start of the final event. We were only told by the race organiser that the money had been cut when going to collect our checks. His excuse was there wasn't as many people in the elite as he wanted, total participation over the whole event was great. Sure it's not all about the money and Tahoe is definitely one of the best places I have paddled but crappy race directors and an unorganised event definitely put you off from wanting to come back next year.

There were about 40 companies displaying products on the beach with the price for those displaying being $1000 to $2000 per tent. Also permits for the beach were well under 10000 easily being covered by a couple of displays. The problem with most race organises today is that they do because they believe they are going to make some coin not because they want to see the sport grow


That's Fraud and probably actionable, especially in the US. Get in touch with all those that should have received money and sue them in a class action! You have to do it so that someone else doesn't do it again!! Fortunately,they now have left themselves open to being sued for much more than the $10,000. Definitely check with one of the no win no pay lawyers, if you crew don't do it then it will start happening more and more with small time entrepeneurs/crooks. As Teatrea said there are heaps of local football players etc getting well in excess of that, it's not lots of money and I bet the organiser cleaned up. It's not all about the money for sure but it all helps it's the totally unethical principle of their actions. Huge congratulations BTW Jake what a sensational effort, but you guys do train incredibly hard so not totally unexpected (another reason for suing)!!! Now get the B-------s to pay up!! (or not,) its up to you but don't be surprised if nothing is done this time that it happens again. Unscrupulous business people will make the honest ones look bad and elite paddlers look like uneducated pushovers. Just my opinion, time will tell, rant over
Zeusman
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14 Aug 2013 9:10am
Leroy13 said..

JDJ said..

Just to clear everything up the problem with the Prize money giving was not due to sponsors pulling out or lack of participants over the WHOLE 2 day event. The amount of prize money was clearly displayed at registration and announced all day over the speakers by presenters even at the start of the final event. We were only told by the race organiser that the money had been cut when going to collect our checks. His excuse was there wasn't as many people in the elite as he wanted, total participation over the whole event was great. Sure it's not all about the money and Tahoe is definitely one of the best places I have paddled but crappy race directors and an unorganised event definitely put you off from wanting to come back next year.

There were about 40 companies displaying products on the beach with the price for those displaying being $1000 to $2000 per tent. Also permits for the beach were well under 10000 easily being covered by a couple of displays. The problem with most race organises today is that they do because they believe they are going to make some coin not because they want to see the sport grow


That's Fraud and probably actionable, especially in the US. Get in touch with all those that should have received money and sue them in a class action! You have to do it so that someone else doesn't do it again!! Fortunately,they now have left themselves open to being sued for much more than the $10,000. Definitely check with one of the no win no pay lawyers, if you crew don't do it then it will start happening more and more with small time entrepeneurs/crooks. As Teatrea said there are heaps of local football players etc getting well in excess of that, it's not lots of money and I bet the organiser cleaned up. It's not all about the money for sure but it all helps it's the totally unethical principle of their actions. Huge congratulations BTW Jake what a sensational effort, but you guys do train incredibly hard so not totally unexpected (another reason for suing)!!! Now get the B-------s to pay up!! (or not,) its up to you but don't be surprised if nothing is done this time that it happens again. Unscrupulous business people will make the honest ones look bad and elite paddlers look like uneducated pushovers. Just my opinion, time will tell, rant over


Agreed!

I can't think of any other sporting event in the past with prize money involved that had the amount of money cut when it was time to pay up. If the organisers didn't get the amount of elite guys enter that they'd hoped for, well thats just their bad luck! That can't be used as a legitiment reason to cut the prize pool.
If the guys that were affected by this don't do something about it, then it sets the scene for it to happen again & again in the future which could ultimately effect how many people enter the future races.
& that is no way to nurture & help to grow a sport.
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