Seems like a pretty good price -www.catch.com.au/product/ocean-earth-compact-key-vault-6053264/?offer_id=29966496&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkJvz__ON6gIVy34rCh1-cgsfEAYYASABEgKyCPD_BwE

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ghost4man said..
Seems like a pretty good price

Not if you can open it in seconds...

I just received yesterday a simple rotating dials combination lock for my bike shed. I went to my local store but only crappy steel ones with the digits on the side. But for staying outside, it is better to have brass/laiton ones and digits on the underside.
So I ordered it online. And I could directly buy a quality one from a reputed German lockmaker factory for half the price of the Chinese one at my local store.

And on receiving it, I was surprised by the design: to open the lock, nothing happens when you dial the correct number, you must squeeze it to over-close it, and trigger a click+spring action. It thus invalidates the classic methods of opening quickly rotating dials locks.

This shows that not locks are equals, even if they look the same from the outside, and quality is not always more expensive. And in some cases "buying local" is just giving money to middle men for junk chinese products, whereas buying on the net can give you access to quality makers.

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colas said..

ghost4man said..
Seems like a pretty good price

Not if you can open it in seconds...

I just received yesterday a simple rotating dials combination lock for my bike shed. I went to my local store but only crappy steel ones with the digits on the side. But for staying outside, it is better to have brass/laiton ones and digits on the underside.
So I ordered it online. And I could directly buy a quality one from a reputed German lockmaker factory for half the price of the Chinese one at my local store.

And on receiving it, I was surprised by the design: to open the lock, nothing happens when you dial the correct number, you must squeeze it to over-close it, and trigger a click+spring action. It thus invalidates the classic methods of opening quickly rotating dials locks.

This shows that not locks are equals, even if they look the same from the outside, and quality is not always more expensive. And in some cases "buying local" is just giving money to middle men for junk chinese products, whereas buying on the net can give you access to quality makers.

Colas do you have the link for where you ordered?

Story on Facebook today 20/6/20 Nissan Navara stolen while he was out surfing at Miami on the Gold Coast. Smashed the key lock and stole the car.

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shi thouse said..
I use this one and it is fantastic. Plus it is not obvious. Leave it on the car permanently, just remove your tow hitch (if you have one) and slide it into place.

That does look good that one. Any links?

They can crack these coded ones in a minute....and you won't be insured

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Gboots said..
They can crack these coded ones in a minute....and you won't be insured

I don't know about this.

Are you saying because it can be cracked that the insurance is wiped?

If that's the case then any lock you buy would rule you out because the potential exists to break any lock.

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ghost4man said..

Gboots said..
They can crack these coded ones in a minute....and you won't be insured

I don't know about this.

Are you saying because it can be cracked that the insurance is wiped?

If that's the case then any lock you buy would rule you out because the potential exists to break any lock.

True that, and surely the rental properties and indeed houses in general use these locks, so does that mean their insurance is voided. Surely you have at least taken measures to secure a property thereby providing sufficient obligation.
Maybe or maybe not

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ghost4man said..
Colas do you have the link for where you ordered?

Via Amazon, a Burg-Wachter: www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B074XFZ4QG

My key safe is: www.amazon.fr/KIDDE-SAFETY-Residential-Portable-Keysafe/dp/B01GWEVE4I
The hardest to crack is (if your eyesight is good enough) www.amazon.fr/KIDDE-Commercial-Portable-Keysafe-Assorted/dp/B01N6I37PV

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ghost4man said..

Gboots said..
They can crack these coded ones in a minute....and you won't be insured

I don't know about this.

Are you saying because it can be cracked that the insurance is wiped?

If that's the case then any lock you buy would rule you out because the potential exists to break any lock.

I have read the PDS and phoned my insurer (as noted in an earlier post during week). If your car gets stolen and keys were in car you will get "zero".
If car is found and forced entry is proven and you had a lock (inside car) then you could be ok. If you had key in lock outside of car and there is no forced entry you will definitely get "zero" from insurance .

Page 31 from GIO pds under General Exlusions. It is vague but they confirmed by phone

Thanks Gboots for investigating the insurance side.

The Kidde lock Colas mentioned is also available in Australia from.......

www.auskeystoragesolutions.com.au/products/kidde-c3-beige

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Gboots said..

ghost4man said..

Gboots said..
They can crack these coded ones in a minute....and you won't be insured

I don't know about this.

Are you saying because it can be cracked that the insurance is wiped?

If that's the case then any lock you buy would rule you out because the potential exists to break any lock.

I have read the PDS and phoned my insurer (as noted in an earlier post during week). If your car gets stolen and keys were in car you will get "zero".
If car is found and forced entry is proven and you had a lock (inside car) then you could be ok. If you had key in lock outside of car and there is no forced entry you will definitely get "zero" from insurance .

I just find this ambiguous to say the least notwithstanding the position held by the insurer.

I don't leave my car unlocked AND with the keys held in the car. That is asking for trouble.

If I secure my keys in a vault then it seems ridiculous that one would then leave the vault in the car. If the car is locked then that requires you to force your way in which defeats the purpose. Alternatively if you happen to leave it unlocked then once again this is asking for trouble.

Now if you use the vault with the key inside and position both outside the car the thief must break the vault and will be able to get in the car without forced entry.

If they can't get the vault open then it's a case of forced entry. So I wonder if having a visible vault which is recognisable to a would be thief an advantage or not.

Geez, just go out and stop worrying.
I reckon half the time I don't even lock the car

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Nozza said..
Geez, just go out and stop worrying.
I reckon half the time I don't even lock the car

Well nothing wrong with information and trying to reduce the risks noz

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Nozza said..
Geez, just go out and stop worrying.
I reckon half the time I don't even lock the car

As someone once said to me if you have the money to pay for someone else to get a new car then you don't have to worry about insurance.

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Nozza said..
Geez, just go out and stop worrying.
I reckon half the time I don't even lock the car

Haven't always seen eye to eye with nozza but with him 100% on this one. Alternatively go buy a beach bomb for $1500 no one will want to steal it anyway, even open with the keys in the ignition

Have a bomb for home . But when on holidays I take the newer car as much safer . Even a bomb needs to be registered and maintained so way more than $1500 per year

$1500, $5000, $20000 it's all relative really, to me it's not only not wanting to lose my car even if it is only worth $5000 it's the inconvenience, it's the loss of my phone, wallet, clothes and possibly other board, wetsuits etc.
So what's wrong with the conversation.
Dont read it if it's troublesome to you

Ditto that. There is a problem with the new keyless entry cars where the clever criminal slacker can use a dark web hacker device to just force entry electronically. There will be nothing physically broken to prove that force was used. The ins companies will have to accept more risk. As I mostly use an old bomb, nothing in car and carry key, no worries. But the recent purchase of a new camper van has made it all more difficult. Where just taking the mech key would be fine, lock the key fob inside the truck in a small safe and surf.....
campers are sitting ducks for the needy slacker. They know it is probably worth a look inside and the camper windows are easy entry. No worries with an alarm. Just the hassle of the alarm controller or key fob along for the surf. I will probably go the route of the waterproof pouch. A mechanical immobilizer like a steering wheel lock would at least insure the van is still there.

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micksmith said..
$1500, $5000, $20000 it's all relative really, to me it's not only not wanting to lose my car even if it is only worth $5000 it's the inconvenience, it's the loss of my phone, wallet, clothes and possibly other board, wetsuits etc.
So what's wrong with the conversation.
Dont read it if it's troublesome to you

Nothing wrong with the conversation, nothing troublesome, just expressing an alternative point of view, which, I thought, was the general idea of having a forum. " more than one way to skin a cat"
Many years ago I used to surf at a fairly remote but popular part of the coast. Cars began to get broken into, the mo being smash a windscreen and anything of value in the car would be stolen. The successful solution was to leave your car windows down and leave nothing of value in your car, the result no damage to car, nothing stolen, this approach was taken by all the locals with a 100% success rate, as far as I know, it certainly worked for me. Locked cars continued to be damaged and broken into.
Sometimes you just need an open mind and be prepared to think outside the box.

The ultimate protection I have seen is ... a dog

In Morocco during a surf trip decades ago, every camper van had a dog, because people there were stealing everything, even old towels and slaps.

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colas said..
The ultimate protection I have seen is ... a dog

In Morocco during a surf trip decades ago, every camper van had a dog, because people there were stealing everything, even old towels and slaps.

Yep totally agree, I used to leave mine sitting happily in the back of the wagon, door wide open. He would not have hurt a flea, but no one knew that.

Thats a bit rough on the dog Colas,
I had a mate who motorcycled through Morocco and had to run from local families who wanted to marry of their daughters to westerners.
You need to think like the thieves, when I was a youth the north narabeen scene was heavy, if you left your car unattended for too long it would get targeted, marouba was so bad near the housing estate you would never leave the car there.
So everyone ended up getting one of those wheel steering locks, i had the promaster red and black. That told the thieves I am willing to secure my vehicle well. If you are going to use those key banks don't put your car key in them. Your just telling the thieves I am not smart enough to get proper security for my car.
I used to work in a Servo with WRX workshop the customer used to have very high range WRX and the mechanics used to regularly service the top Rex's over $100,00. The top cars had random dot technology that would track the car externally. The mechanics would also put kill switches and pin pads in the car to stop thieves.
When the insurance rep came up from QBE. He told us that if a criminal network wanted the car, it is virtually impossible to stop them.
Opportunistic thieves are the only ones these deterants work against.
Be smart, work out where your going to put your key,
Three places to avoid, the wheel arch, everyone looks there, one of those external banks, in plain sight from the outside.
Also obey the 10 percent push bike insurance rule. If you spend 50 000 on new Subaru. You should be spending close to 5,000. On security. So insurance and one of those tow ball locks. Or invest in some more security.
Don't put the security of your expensive car in the hands of a 50 buck key safe. It is a no brainer.

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pumpjockey02 said..
Thats a bit rough on the dog Colas,
I had a mate who motorcycled through Morocco and had to run from local families who wanted to marry of their daughters to westerners.
You need to think like the thieves, when I was a youth the north narabeen scene was heavy, if you left your car unattended for too long it would get targeted, marouba was so bad near the housing estate you would never leave the car there.
So everyone ended up getting one of those wheel steering locks, i had the promaster red and black. That told the thieves I am willing to secure my vehicle well. If you are going to use those key banks don't put your car key in them. Your just telling the thieves I am not smart enough to get proper security for my car.
I used to work in a Servo with WRX workshop the customer used to have very high range WRX and the mechanics used to regularly service the top Rex's over $100,00. The top cars had random dot technology that would track the car externally. The mechanics would also put kill switches and pin pads in the car to stop thieves.
When the insurance rep came up from QBE. He told us that if a criminal network wanted the car, it is virtually impossible to stop them.
Opportunistic thieves are the only ones these deterants work against.
Be smart, work out where your going to put your key,
Three places to avoid, the wheel arch, everyone looks there, one of those external banks, in plain sight from the outside.
Also obey the 10 percent push bike insurance rule. If you spend 50 000 on new Subaru. You should be spending close to 5,000. On security. So insurance and one of those tow ball locks. Or invest in some more security.
Don't put the security of your expensive car in the hands of a 50 buck key safe. It is a no brainer.

Good post pump jockey.
If I visit any "dubious" spots i will be putting on a tyre lock and wheel lock for an additional deterrent .

You wouldn't believe it. My Ocean and Earth key bank just "locked up" 5 minutes away. I have kept it lubed as well with WD40. Thank goodness nothing was in it .

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Gboots said..
You wouldn't believe it. My Ocean and Earth key bank just "locked up" 5 minutes away. I have kept it lubed as well with WD40. Thank goodness nothing was in it .

That's what I said, not locks are equals. My Kidde does not rust a bit, even after 2 years. Nor the German locks on my sheds :-)

pumpjockey02: I screwed a small plate beside the towing ring below the rear bumper, so that once I close the keysafe I rotate it upwards and make it rest on the plate, totally hidden from view.
But in all honesty, I think my best protection is that I SUP very early (nearly always the first one on the water), when opportunistic thieves sleep.

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colas said..

Gboots said..
You wouldn't believe it. My Ocean and Earth key bank just "locked up" 5 minutes away. I have kept it lubed as well with WD40. Thank goodness nothing was in it .

That's what I said, not locks are equals. My Kidde does not rust a bit, even after 2 years. Nor the German locks on my sheds :-)

pumpjockey02: I screwed a small plate beside the towing ring below the rear bumper, so that once I close the keysafe I rotate it upwards and make it rest on the plate, totally hidden from view.
But in all honesty, I think my best protection is that I SUP very early (nearly always the first one on the water), when opportunistic thieves sleep.

Yes moving the lock out of view is super smart and thieves will not look for the lock if they can't see it. I am sure Europe is way worse for thieves than Australia. I predict crime will rise over here as unemployment (real unemployment) passes 15%.
If your wheel lock fits in the boot why not. If I spent 3-5 months working on a Van and then was living in it. I would have a wheel lock and more. Not just one of those key safes.
Is COVID 19 reducing the amount of tourist over your way. We are getting way more local tourists.

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pumpjockey02 said..

colas said..

Gboots said..
You wouldn't believe it. My Ocean and Earth key bank just "locked up" 5 minutes away. I have kept it lubed as well with WD40. Thank goodness nothing was in it .

That's what I said, not locks are equals. My Kidde does not rust a bit, even after 2 years. Nor the German locks on my sheds :-)

pumpjockey02: I screwed a small plate beside the towing ring below the rear bumper, so that once I close the keysafe I rotate it upwards and make it rest on the plate, totally hidden from view.
But in all honesty, I think my best protection is that I SUP very early (nearly always the first one on the water), when opportunistic thieves sleep.

Yes moving the lock out of view is super smart and thieves will not look for the lock if they can't see it. I am sure Europe is way worse for thieves than Australia. I predict crime will rise over here as unemployment (real unemployment) passes 15%.
If your wheel lock fits in the boot why not. If I spent 3-5 months working on a Van and then was living in it. I would have a wheel lock and more. Not just one of those key safes.
Is COVID 19 reducing the amount of tourist over your way. We are getting way more local tourists.

Yep after been stood down 3 months ago my employer YMCA Victoria has said they no longer require me ( shafted ) after 191/2 years, so I'll be checking all those unlocked vehicles especially the ones with windows down ??

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micksmith said..

pumpjockey02 said..

colas said..

Gboots said..
You wouldn't believe it. My Ocean and Earth key bank just "locked up" 5 minutes away. I have kept it lubed as well with WD40. Thank goodness nothing was in it .

That's what I said, not locks are equals. My Kidde does not rust a bit, even after 2 years. Nor the German locks on my sheds :-)

pumpjockey02: I screwed a small plate beside the towing ring below the rear bumper, so that once I close the keysafe I rotate it upwards and make it rest on the plate, totally hidden from view.
But in all honesty, I think my best protection is that I SUP very early (nearly always the first one on the water), when opportunistic thieves sleep.

Yes moving the lock out of view is super smart and thieves will not look for the lock if they can't see it. I am sure Europe is way worse for thieves than Australia. I predict crime will rise over here as unemployment (real unemployment) passes 15%.
If your wheel lock fits in the boot why not. If I spent 3-5 months working on a Van and then was living in it. I would have a wheel lock and more. Not just one of those key safes.
Is COVID 19 reducing the amount of tourist over your way. We are getting way more local tourists.

Yep after been stood down 3 months ago my employer YMCA Victoria has said they no longer require me ( shafted ) after 191/2 years, so I'll be checking all those unlocked vehicles especially the ones with windows down ??

Look out for the dog.
On a more serious note, sorry to hear about the employment situation.