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poogsey said..
Just wondered if you guys have seen the Lock Picking Lawyer on YouTube he shows how quickly these locks can be broken into

Yes, and this is why I recommended specifically the Kidde in my posts.
They are recommended by locksmiths. Hard to find and a tad more expensive, but totally worth it.

The pushbutton Kidde I have for instance cannot be opened by the Lock Picking Lawyer methods for push button locks of other brands, I tried.
Note that no Kidde locks are listed in its video.

And they seem to evolve their designs: I found a YT video to open a Kidde pushbutton keysafe (and it was quite a lot of work), but it didn't work at all on my model.

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shi thouse said..
I use this one and it is fantastic. Plus it is not obvious. Leave it on the car permanently, just remove your tow hitch (if you have one) and slide it into place.

Yeah, I have this one to, it's a beauty, you wouldn't know what it was

www.facebook.com/paulvutv/videos/2920466851364120/

Whoever goes on social media & shows the public how to break into anything that would advantage thieves are f@#%n idiots! And should be fined or even gaoled, (jailed) the same as a thief for break, enter & steal. It causes minority public nuisances in maybe just one small area to majority global public nuisances in every corner of the earth to steal!
I have no sympathy for anyone that is caught stealing or showing anyone how to steal from innocent people & absolutely don't care how they are treated after being caught. And the do gooder law people shouldn't care either! Oh, sorry I forgot that there's good money in it for them to be employed also.
They're all scum of this earth!
To all the good innocent water people. Leave your valuables at home, get a good water tight bag that you can strap to your body securely with your vehicle key inside.
Gone are the days to keep more boards than one inside your vehicle from now on.
Now. Where's that video on how to make a bomb that goes off inside your car when someone steals it.

I got sick of the lock thing off the tow bar I used to have. Plus without specs it was hard to read the number. It became unreliable as it wore out giving me scares I couldn't unlock it.

Now I have upgraded my car to a Subaru Outback and its got a key pad entry. Just one button. No need to read anything, absolutely love it!
You disable the key fob and leave it inside the car then lock it. Unlock it after entering the 5 digit PIN, the button is next to the boot handle, perfect location. Make sure your next vehicle has this!

Alysum what year Subaru is this ? I have a 2019 Forrester .

I attach my "door only" key to the loop inside my wax pocket.
My ignition key is very well hidden inside the car. They can break in, but good luck finding my key.... they'll be too busy looting my stuff anyway

Heck, I leave a $1,000 camera on the beach, with 1,000's of people walking around.
It's the only way it works. Camera on the beach, me in the water
They look, talk to it, show me their dog.... but so far,so good.

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Seajuice said..
Whoever goes on social media & shows the public how to break into anything that would advantage thieves are f@#%n idiots! And should be fined or even gaoled, (jailed) the same as a thief for break, enter & steal. It causes minority public nuisances in maybe just one small area to majority global public nuisances in every corner of the earth to steal!
I have no sympathy for anyone that is caught stealing or showing anyone how to steal from innocent people & absolutely don't care how they are treated after being caught. And the do gooder law people shouldn't care either! Oh, sorry I forgot that there's good money in it for them to be employed also.
They're all scum of this earth!
To all the good innocent water people. Leave your valuables at home, get a good water tight bag that you can strap to your body securely with your vehicle key inside.
Gone are the days to keep more boards than one inside your vehicle from now on.
Now. Where's that video on how to make a bomb that goes off inside your car when someone steals it.

There actually is a video on that subject to catch parcel thieves. Parcel is loaded with a stink bomb.

Back in the 70's my brother and I did a road trip up the east coast from Newcastle ( yes that's right I was a newy boy) we made it as far as Currumbin before our journey was devastatingly halted by the theft of most of our money and being poor that meant home we go. Yes like others we hid (what a laugh) car key up under wheel arch, but never again did we do that. At the time the only solution we could think of was tie the key to our speedos and that worked right up to of recent years and the invention of surf locks. Now you guys are scaring me and I may have to go back to speedos

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Gboots said..
Alysum what year Subaru is this ? I have a 2019 Forrester .

Question for Subaru owners (forrester, outback,/wagon). Can you fit a SUP inside the car easily ? I imagine that the passenger seat would need to be as flat as possible. I'm talking 8'2" or smaller. cheers

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Gboots said..
Alysum what year Subaru is this ? I have a 2019 Forrester .

Question for Subaru owners (forrester, outback,/wagon). Can you fit a SUP inside the car easily ? I imagine that the passenger seat would need to be as flat as possible. I'm talking 8'2" or smaller. cheers

You can but I don't do (trying to keep clean) I use my old Honda CRV mainly when going surfing

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micksmith said..
Back in the 70's my brother and I did a road trip up the east coast from Newcastle ( yes that's right I was a newy boy) we made it as far as Currumbin before our journey was devastatingly halted by the theft of most of our money and being poor that meant home we go. Yes like others we hid (what a laugh) car key up under wheel arch, but never again did we do that. At the time the only solution we could think of was tie the key to our speedos and that worked right up to of recent years and the invention of surf locks. Now you guys are scaring me and I may have to go back to speedos

Insurance was pretty clear when I called them. Unless there is proof of damage in accessing your car then you won't be covered if keys are left in / on car .
If the car is never found you will probably not be paid out .

Note i also have a dash cam and if the events are recorded (and sent to a cloud ) this could help you so long as there is forced entry .

Truth is insurance are the bigger thieves . I don't trust

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Seajuice said..
Whoever goes on social media & shows the public how to break into anything that would advantage thieves are f@#%n idiots!

On the other hand, security by obscurity can be a very bad idea. If the info is only known by "professionals",
[1] you can get a false sentiment of security by using a lock, believing only its marketing.
[2] locks will stay flawed if there is no incentive to better them, or make good quality ones, if the cheap easy-to-break-in ones are not exposed as useless.

The current situation is I think the worst: the info is there but most people are unaware of it. So crap locks still sells in masses, while how to break them can be known easily by amateurs.

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Gboots said..
Alysum what year Subaru is this ? I have a 2019 Forrester .

Question for Subaru owners (forrester, outback,/wagon). Can you fit a SUP inside the car easily ? I imagine that the passenger seat would need to be as flat as possible. I'm talking 8'2" or smaller. cheers

I have an Impreza and my 8' fits, lay front and rear down and good to go. No problem with cleanliness if in a bag just wipe down board

i still use the old club steering wheel lock,dont know how easy they are txobreak but its a good visual deterrent and i have my car key around my neck, club lock key somewhere in the car,I reckon most thieves would see the club lock and just go nah too hard.Well that's my take on it anyway, cant actually speak for any low life thief

Yep like the look of that tow bar option, While I have been living up the mid north coast a lot of those outside locks seem to have been hacked off, while people are out in the surf. Ive never seen anyone knick anything while I have been around the carparks. Anyway the trick with thieves is to think like them. You buy a magnet box stick a spare key in the underside of the front in the engine bay, if it is a newer car, stick it near the radiator, it will be cool by the time you get out. When you get to the beach, put your key in your leash, take out a fake key not from your car and slip it in one of those outside locks. Make sure everyone is watching when you do this.
Even better if it the same brand as your car.
(Make sure all valuables are in the boot as the thieves might get a bit upset when they cant open the door).
Thieves are opportunistic and need to be encouraged to be frustrated. So they go and do something else.
This technique was actually passed on by the local constable at year 10 drivers ED. Geez the cops used to be pretty good to us youths back in the day.

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Yep like the look of that tow bar option, While I have been living up the mid north coast a lot of those outside locks seem to have been hacked off, while people are out in the surf. Ive never seen anyone knick anything while I have been around the carparks. Anyway the trick with thieves is to think like them. You buy a magnet box stick a spare key in the underside of the front in the engine bay, if it is a newer car, stick it near the radiator, it will be cool by the time you get out. When you get to the beach, put your key in your leash, take out a fake key not from your car and slip it in one of those outside locks. Make sure everyone is watching when you do this.
Even better if it the same brand as your car.
(Make sure all valuables are in the boot as the thieves might get a bit upset when they cant open the door).
Thieves are opportunistic and need to be encouraged to be frustrated. So they go and do something else.
This technique was actually passed on by the local constable at year 10 drivers ED. Geez the cops used to be pretty good to us youths back in the day.

hard to imagine someone whipping out the battery cutting wheel and using it in a car park unless it's isolated, can't quite see it at boomers car park. I wonder if some of these stories are made up.

So if i decide to take electronic key in water with me (under steamer against chest), this is the most likely set up.












pics slightly out of order for some reason .
I will test with non electric in old car first.
Basically there's three zip lock backs plus two waterproof pouches . Yes . A bit paranoid

I lock the electronic key in the glove box - it's an old push button one, not keyless entry.
I then lock the car with the manual key and take it with me.
I am more worried about theft of wallet and phone than the car, and figure this will slow someone down enough to make it obvious in the car park something is going on.
I have at a time had a "safe" under a back seat to lock keys, phone, cameras away a bit more securely.

Problem is with insurance .
It key gets stolen off from bag at beach and then car is stolen then insurance says I am covered .
If key is left in car and there is no sign of break in and theft occurs they said I am not covered .
It sounds crazy but that's basically what the PDS says and what they told me

GBoots,
My Subaru mechanic told me that a lost key like yours (and mine) will cost $1,500.
And that you can only lose 2...
After that they have to electronically "re-key" the entire car. $7,000...
He told me a story of a customer who had loaded the kids into the car after a beach day at Torquay, drove home with the car pinging all the way, pulled into the driveway, turned the car off (push button), and...no house or car keys...
You can imagine it...hot day...turn the car and AC on, put the key on the roof, load the screaming kids in, load in all the beach toys, load half a ton of beach sand in, drive home to Melbourne (car was already going when they took off), and voila! No keys.

So lotsa luck with the plastic bags...

I have found that if you use one of the metal box type of locks, the casing will insulate the electronic key from automatically unlocking the car again.
Lock the car , put the key in the box from > 2 feet away, then lock the box under the towbar.

I previously had a "dumb" key cut for my older cars, stored in the console, and had it on a piece of string around my neck when paddling, and locked the electronic key in the car, but of course our newer cars are too smart for this.

Cue for Nozza to tell us about the old time attributes of "Sam" the VW wagon...

I hear you Helmy .
But having a Subaru stolen with keys in car when stolen will set you back $40K.
The other thing is you can't actually lock keys in car . Car won't lock (manual key only opens not locks).
There are other spots but won't mention . Should be able to work it out.

Another deterrent is to add a wheel lock (steering or actual wheel). Saw these today







This is also worth a read

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699733/amp/Unfashionable-effective-Police-tell-luxury-car-owners-traditional-steering-clamps-best-way-beat-modern-thieves.html

Ah yes, the lockability of the 1974 Kombi.
Manual key only, and really any VW key will probably get you in.
Managed to get the locks re keyed from purchase time so that barrels were all new, and the correct key was required.


Again, I'm more concerned about theft from the van than the whole thing.
Bought a lockable tool box, chanied it to the back seat.


Valuables go in that, locked up, locked to the seat base.
Again, It's a slow down ploy only, but the bad guy will have to be carrying a substantial set of bolt cutters to get in to it.
Only key that starts the car goes with me.Van is well insured in case the worst happens.
I suspect Louise and gabe are less paranoid and just hide stuff, take the key with them.

I tell you what Nozza , I will be looking after my old Honda CR-v. So much less stressful and useful when it comes to water sports

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Gboots said..
I tell you what Nozza , I will be looking after my old Honda CR-v. So much less stressful and useful when it comes to water sports

The 2010 VW T5 van has about the right combination of smarts and security re being able to lock stuff inside with a manual key.
The manual key the only opens the drivers door, so stuff elsewhere in the van is pretty safe until they manage to find the electronic key, and hopefully by then someone will be curious as to what they are doing.
I think most of these break ins will be opportunistic attempts without a lot of brain power involved.

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hard to imagine someone whipping out the battery cutting wheel and using it in a car park unless it's isolated, can't quite see it at boomers car park. I wonder if some of these stories are made up.

Especially when it is so easy to break a window. Done it to help a friend being locked out of her car. On my old Hi-Ace, I had managed to lock myself out in the woods, and be able to pull the inside lock with a pine branch...

I happened recently to be at a gas pump when a girl went hysterical: she has locked herself out of her Smart with the keys inside. We tried to break a window with no avail, it was some tough plexiglass-like material. The solution was just to grab the window top through the joint and pull, we could tilt the window frame enough to reach inside and unlock the door.

In a nutshell: a chain is as strong as its weakest link.

Just to clarify I have been asking the Van lifers about those outside locks key safes (not that tow bar one) and what happening up and down the coast, not implying anything would get stolen around boomerang. Jeez those so many Gerries living here now some one would see it for sure.
That policeman was from my youth down in Sydney.
I had that pro master wheel lock on my car for 10 years growing up and it works.
You shouldn't need a wallet, buy an old phone like Sony IPX8 waterproofing download SERVICE NSW app and use a bank credit card app for emergency purposes.
Micksmith boomer was all time two weekends ago, 8-14 foot south boomer point, long rights not baralleling a lot though. Four local high schoolers out and the local female charger owning the point. All hardcores watching from lookout as usual. Or claiming they got Elim better.
Hope your getting sick waves down in Victoria.
Many people claiming The wave near the pool at newcastle baths was holding 10-15 foot on the friday with some of the best tow in barrels being caught ever.

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pumpjockey02 said..
Just to clarify I have been asking the Van lifers about those outside locks key safes (not that tow bar one) and what happening up and down the coast, not implying anything would get stolen around boomerang. Jeez those so many Gerries living here now some one would see it for sure.
That policeman was from my youth down in Sydney.
I had that pro master wheel lock on my car for 10 years growing up and it works.
You shouldn't need a wallet, buy an old phone like Sony IPX8 waterproofing download SERVICE NSW app and use a bank credit card app for emergency purposes.
Micksmith boomer was all time two weekends ago, 8-14 foot south boomer point, long rights not baralleling a lot though. Four local high schoolers out and the local female charger owning the point. All hardcores watching from lookout as usual. Or claiming they got Elim better.
Hope your getting sick waves down in Victoria.
Many people claiming The wave near the pool at newcastle baths was holding 10-15 foot on the friday with some of the best tow in barrels being caught ever.

Hi pumpy, I was up in newy a few weeks back ( when it was on at Mereweather ) managed to get a surf at Nobbys reef, hoping north boomers is working nicely in a week coz I'll be there for three weeks.
Elims or bulls paddock is always better ??

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Gboots said..
I hear you Helmy .
But having a Subaru stolen with keys in car when stolen will set you back $40K.
The other thing is you can't actually lock keys in car . Car won't lock (manual key only opens not locks).
There are other spots but won't mention . Should be able to work it out.

Another deterrent is to add a wheel lock (steering or actual wheel). Saw these today







This is also worth a read

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699733/amp/Unfashionable-effective-Police-tell-luxury-car-owners-traditional-steering-clamps-best-way-beat-modern-thieves.html

You'd be very unlucky if someone guesses the 5 digit pin on the Subaru, retrieves the key fob inside the car, enables it and drives away....

You could put the key fob inside a locker inside the car...

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Gboots said..
Alysum what year Subaru is this ? I have a 2019 Forrester .

I have a 2018