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scott mckerc said...




Sean got 2nd in mexico.
lovin this shot

nice shot scotty

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log man said...
am I treading on some anti Starboard toes here? or are my observations just

Not at all! I started the post as it seemed a departure for starboard to go to a narrower nose. Would love to here Scotty's take on it as they look good and appear to perform well.

No Expert as opposed to a lot of you guys but I find the fat nose boards
are a lot more prone to bog on steep takeoffs.Dave muir on a custom would be something to see but I guess his contract will not allow.

Well I reckon scotty mac is on the mark when it comes to importance. Width at 1ft back, and what you do in front of that.....
And I reckon lacey is on the mark with fatigue talking bout nose shapes.
DTM is on the money too.
Way more factors of greater interest to talk about in the new shapes apart from the shape of it's shnoz.it's what's been going on with rocker and V mid section outline and other factors that have me exited about their performance
True, certain markets such as Australia and West coast US have been demanding a board that has a certain look.
Whether or not this trend stays, time will tell.
As there are so many guys utilizing full nosed boards, not using starboard. Have a look at the latest Surf Tech Catalogue. Predominantly full noses.
But the range isn't even available yet, so I shouldn't be saying too much. But the full range represents far more than just a couple of the boards looking like the ones in the pictures.
Will be more willing to talk about stuff when the boards are actually available.
But for now I better put a sock in it.
Yep. Will be at mambo I reckon DJ. Unless it's no foot and Margs is on.

And that wind cat is pretty nuts to sail. Nothing to do with me, but it was trick.
scotty

South shore Hawaii seems to like the longboard fuller nose design as they do have an advantage in the softer waves there and beachbreaks on westcoast of USA prefer shortboard type for the steeper take off??? Just guessing

Certainly room for both

Scotty has the design of the Whopper evolved? as I saw one the other day and it appeared thinner than earlier models I saw. I could have been imagining it though

Obviously nose shape is only one aspect of an efficient design in any type of surf craft and can't be isolated.

All other things being equal though a Full nose will never work as well in the barrell as a finer nose IMO. You can talk all you want about the 12 inches width back from the 'imaginary point', but a nose that is 'cut off' say 6-8 inches back from this will generally not have the same amount of lift.

SUP moves are starting mimick high performance short board surfing which involves turning off the top of a wave in a tight arc back into the pocket - once again harder to do on a fuller nose with less rocker - all other design features being equal.

I understand that this is a touchy subject for some especially when big companies invest lots of time and money into pushing a certain design. As Hilly said, both designs have a place - horses for courses. It still astounds me what guys are using at places like Chopes though!

BTW I have no financial interest in anything to do with SUP, just spent 20 + years working in the design of surfcraft and can tend to crap on about this a little too much

Goater, nice reply, and great to hear someone with experience in this field. But SUP design(imo)need not follow any pre-conceived ideas about weather a board should look like a shortboard. I don't really buy this "it's a scaled up shortboard" idea. IMO a scaled up thing becomes something different. A scaled up Golf ball is a cricket ball and that won't go into the hole . Yes that's a terrible analogy but surely a Scaled up shortboard would need a scaled up rider to have the same effect as the original. If the Idea is to ride an SUP with as many shortboard characteristics as possible then aren't we trying to ride shorter and shorter boards. And how are we supposed to get down to a board of , I don't know...7'6" and still keep the 110 litres we need for flotation? but also not have a thickness that means the rails are like a tractor tyre. The only way, as I see it is to make a board that has volume in the nose and tail ie a wide outline. That's not to say you can't have a pointy nose but all your doing is adding 1 foot onto the length of the board and just making a longer board. Oh, one more thing, the measurement of so many inches width at 1 foot from the nose is kind of pointless(). The 1 foot measurement from the nose of a PSH 12 foot gun is probably, say 16 inches and the 1 foot measurement of a Starboard 7'4 is , I don't know, maybe 22 inches. It doesn't seem to me that the measurement is valid at all. I recon the real measurement should be how many feet long is the board and more importantly , what is the distance from the rider in the standing position to the point on the board where the the board leaves the water. Sort of a forward waterline(I think). Cheers, tyrade over, let the kicking begin.

Good to hear everybody's opinion. Board design is personal and I certainly am open to a good read even if I think some thoughts are a bit off track

Here is a great video from Kelly Slater talking about his Pipe board...

Yep, that vid explains quite clearly what thoughts were going through my head after riding the 711 Starboard in good Bailnese waves. Normally I ride a 93 pointy nose, high rockered Naish. Nose diving or catching rails isn't normally an issue. Then, over about 3 hours, I rode Pete Cox's 711, much shorter, much flatter rocker, round nose. Again, nose diving/catching rails not an issue in steep drops or recovering from a top turn in the pocket. The short length and narrowish round tail all worked well together.

Pete designed the 711 and 74 SBs. It'd be good to hear his insights.