Goat, kajgyr is right there though. If you look up the meaning of gay in any dictionary theres a picture of a guy in a C1.

I thought that spot looked familiar. Nelson. Coolest little city in Canada. I thought you were a Kiwi for a brief second doing that video in New Zealand or something

Anyways, you do bring some valid points, especially on the frequently choppy Kootenay lake that gets pretty breezy at times. It's been damn windy this year and paddling into a headwind is part of the deal on this lake. I started a thread about expedition SUP paddling on standupzone.com and it was suggested that a two piece kayak paddle would be good to have on long trips if your primary paddle breaks or you encounter stiff headwinds, and I couldn't agree more. There are companies like Imagine Surf manufacturing plastic expedition style SUPs that have clip on seats, and Imagine, along with other companies are making hybrid SUP paddles that also turn into Kayak paddles now. I have also seen paddle attachments that go on the handle end of a SUP paddle. So, you aren't totally loony tunes after all.

For expedition paddling, a two piece Kayak paddle would be very smart to bring along, because after standing for several hours, it is nice to change position, and you can actually still get some miles in if you encounter a head wind. The foam block looks like it works and could easily be strapped down when you are standing. I prefer the standing position but in the future as I get into longer expedition paddling, I will be sitting down sometimes in headwinds and just to change positions and will probably invest in a kayak or hybrid paddle of sorts.

Keep up the innovation. Whatever works. Btw, I frequently paddle the south end/eastern side of the lake and will look for you and your SUP inventions when i'm in Nelson. Went paddling there in May and it was nicer then than it is now.

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DavidJohn said...

Sorry Kajgyr but you just don't get it do you.

It's not all about doing it easier or faster.

DJ

its about safety if 'needed' imo

Oh.. Is that what it is..

DJ

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Sorry Kajgyr but you just don't get it do you.

It's not all about doing it easier or faster.

DJ

For sure it's not all about speed - that's why I'm standing up 90% of the time. It's the 10% when you're heading upwind where I have to question why suppers don't consider other options. No need for a kayak paddle, just choke up on the paddle and kneel. Forget the saddle (and cooler) if you wanna keep it simple. It's a heckuva lot faster (oops, sorry) and more comfortable than prone. It's the equivalent of drop bars on a road bike. Who wants to be upright in a headwind? Could be that I'm lazy, but for me it's all about fluidity and flow. I don't find going into a strong headwind about fluidity or flow - more a matter of getting through it.

This whole polemic reminds me of telemark skiing vs. alpine touring on standard gear. Both camps are adamant about their gear and which is better. Guess what I do? Both.

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kajgyr said...

DavidJohn said...

Sorry Kajgyr but you just don't get it do you.

It's not all about doing it easier or faster.

DJ

For sure it's not all about speed - that's why I'm standing up 90% of the time. It's the 10% when you're heading upwind where I have to question why suppers don't consider other options. No need for a kayak paddle, just choke up on the paddle and kneel. Forget the saddle (and cooler) if you wanna keep it simple. It's a heckuva lot faster (oops, sorry) and more comfortable than prone. It's the equivalent of drop bars on a road bike. Who wants to be upright in a headwind? Could be that I'm lazy, but for me it's all about fluidity and flow. I don't find going into a strong headwind about fluidity or flow - more a matter of getting through it.

This whole polemic reminds me of telemark skiing vs. alpine touring on standard gear. Both camps are adamant about their gear and which is better. Guess what I do? Both.

Gidday kajgyr (that's hello in Australian),
We're bloody tough us Aussies. If we come across a headwind, we will grit the teeth and paddle bloody harder. We would see it as a challenge. We'll be there knee deep in rice padi's. You want us in the trenches. No rubber block or spare paddle required. I'd rather drown.

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Gidday kajgyr (that's hello in Australian),
We're bloody tough us Aussies. If we come across a headwind, we will grit the teeth and paddle bloody harder. We would see it as a challenge. We'll be there knee deep in rice padi's. You want us in the trenches. No rubber block or spare paddle required. I'd rather drown.

Scotty - I have no doubt you Aussies are one tough lot, but frankly I'd rather be in the trenches with someone who can go faster through a headwind by using brains instead of brawn , so I don't have to wait for them, and we can go twice as far. I would just as soon expend the energy I would expend staying upright by paddling equally hard but going twice as fast.

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Gidday kajgyr (that's hello in Australian),
We're bloody tough us Aussies. If we come across a headwind, we will grit the teeth and paddle bloody harder. We would see it as a challenge. We'll be there knee deep in rice padi's. You want us in the trenches. No rubber block or spare paddle required. I'd rather drown.

Scotty - I have no doubt you Aussies are one tough lot, but frankly I'd rather be in the trenches with someone who can go faster through a headwind by using brains instead of brawn , so I don't have to wait for them, and we can go twice as far. I would just as soon expend the energy I would expend staying upright by paddling equally hard but going twice as fast.

That does'nt surprise me.
Off subject a bit. That looks like a nice part of the world you're in. What part of Canada you from ?

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That does'nt surprise me.
Off subject a bit. That looks like a nice part of the world you're in. What part of Canada you from ?

Scotty - glad you have a sense of humor. Kootenay lake is a very large Fjord-like lake in eastern British Columbia. A fine spot, and a great place to SUP (although I wouldn't mind some wave action).

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DavidJohn said...

This looks more comfortable than sitting on a brick..

DJ

it looks like my kids's potty, the are very cheap at ikea and may have several uses

For sure, the prototype shown in the video was an early one and had minimal foam padding. It's the concept I was getting at - that one can sit/kneel/whatever. Obviously there are a number of design approaches. The current iteration is ultra cush and adjustable for kneeling, sitting, or bent-leg standing.

l think while you were busy inventing ways to get off the island Gilligan was getting all the action with Ginger and Maryanne

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jazbelle said...

l think while you were busy inventing ways to get off the island Gilligan was getting all the action with Ginger and Maryanne

Ginger was the best. Then again, Mrs Howell scrubbed up alright.

Reckon Mrs Howells not a bad option after seeing this on

e of ginger

Ahhh!
scarey!
I don't like zombies!

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Reckon Mrs Howells not a bad option after seeing this on

e of ginger

Scary when you fast forward 30 years.
There goes my good vision of Ginger.
Yeh, I think Mrs Howell might have the wood on Gingerb

Wanna be careful though....30 years on could be making a necrophiliac out of you if fancy Mrs Howell.

Hi Laurie, OK is it possible for psychologically disturbed Canadians to be at least vetted before making posts on this Forum. Robon obviously has an inferiority complex and is unneccessarily using his obviously wide vocabulary to disguise his poor behaviour and disregard for anybody that doesn't like what he says. I'd say he is trawling on our forum because he's been banned from others. Just analyse his responses and you can tell that although very articulate he doesn't appreciate criticism whether it be constructive or otherwise. Sorry If I offend, but it just seems enough is enough. The forum is about Stand up Paddle boarding/surfing, and his views would be cogent if they weren't always premised with a veiled insult to the intelligence of Breezers.

He's a lovely fella compared to Roy Stuart who frequents in-numerable surfing forums and has the forum spamming capacity of a team of Indian telemarketers.
Roy loves denigrating the intelligence of one and all in no uncertain terms.

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Hi Laurie, OK is it possible for psychologically disturbed Canadians to be at least vetted before making posts on this Forum. Robon obviously has an inferiority complex and is unneccessarily using his obviously wide vocabulary to disguise his poor behaviour and disregard for anybody that doesn't like what he says. I'd say he is trawling on our forum because he's been banned from others. Just analyse his responses and you can tell that although very articulate he doesn't appreciate criticism whether it be constructive or otherwise. Sorry If I offend, but it just seems enough is enough. The forum is about Stand up Paddle boarding/surfing, and his views would be cogent if they weren't always premised with a veiled insult to the intelligence of Breezers.

LOL. Nice insults and I have never been banned from any type of paddling/surfing forum. There is nothing wrong with criticism but if there is going to be some debate, it is nice to have rational arguments. There are good points for both sides. For myself it just boils down to being open to some innovation in trying conditions on the water. Whatever works and that's about it.

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Scotty said

That does'nt surprise me.
Off subject a bit. That looks like a nice part of the world you're in. What part of Canada you from ?

Scotty - glad you have a sense of humor. Kootenay lake is a very large Fjord-like lake in eastern British Columbia. A fine spot, and a great place to SUP (although I wouldn't mind some wave action).

Hey Mate, welcome to Seabreeze

I was in Kelowna last year which is pretty "near" Kootenay Lake. Its a great part of the world that you live in there.

Mikeman - it is indeed a fine part of the world I live in. Kootenay Lake (and Okanagan lake, where you were) are incredibly scenic flatwater paddleboarding locales.

Yes, I did a day sail in the lake and wondered what it would be like to do a few tours there on a SUP. It would be pretty cold in winter but was surprisingly warm in summer. The wine from that region is also pretty good.

By the way keep on having a go with your ideas. You will never come up with anything new if you don't try. Australians can be pretty tough on anyone trying to have a go at anything too different. Its called the "tall poppy syndrome". Don't take anything personally either - it is what is is. Good luck.