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Following this with interest as I plan to look at a new SUP late Summer here in the UK.

A general warning: whatever your choice, be wary that not all boards may be available: the UK combines the specifics of Brexit (importing hurdles) with the worldwide shortage of components and expensive / unreliable transports. Better have a list of models you want rather than fixate on a specific one and be disappointed.

In other words: one bird (board) in hand is better than two the shop is promising soon ;-)

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N00N00 said..
Following this with interest as I plan to look at a new SUP late Summer here in the UK.

A general warning: whatever your choice, be wary that not all boards may be available: the UK combines the specifics of Brexit (importing hurdles) with the worldwide shortage of components and expensive / unreliable transports. Better have a list of models you want rather than fixate on a specific one and be disappointed.

In other words: one bird (board) in hand is better than two the shop is promising soon ;-)

Dead right Colas. It's a frustrating nightmare and I'm trying to avoid sparking off onto some kind of mad rant on the political mess the UK is in right now. I have a nice fat list of possible boards at the moment. All supposedly planned to be available in the UK I believe you have (or had) a connection with Gong. There might have been an option there but because we decided to cut our own balls off I'm just not certain that's really an option now. Same with Redwood Paddle. The SUP shelves are bare in the UK at the moment, I don't think there is a single hard board available anywhere, certainly no 2021 models. Correction, there might be the odd board from small UK based manufacturer. That's a kind of a twisted benefit in some ways. It gives me time. Sunova do have a distributor but if I were to go that way I'd have to double check that they actually have it, or can get it easily.

@N00N00
I was looking for a board for the same conditions you described last autumn.
I was short before ordering a Placid 8'10, but TR3 construction, delivery times and price put me off, not talking about XXX off which a Sunova rep i talked too wanted me too stay away from (balsa availability, price premium, TR3 is as good etc.)

Also i was looking at the big brands offerings, but especially the claimed weights f?r Fanatic, Naish, JP etc. put me off.

So i bought a Quatro Glide 8'6 Pro and i'm really happy with this board, perfect for my/your conditions, with 7,8 kg really light, and so far no signs of wear (scratches, dings, paddle marks etc.)
The Quatro Sups esp. the Glide aren't discussed much in this forum, some threads mention the Carve, but the Glide is a top allroundboard in good construction imo.

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@N00N00
I was looking for a board for the same conditions you described last autumn.
I was short before ordering a Placid 8'10, but TR3 construction, delivery times and price put me off, not talking about XXX off which a Sunova rep i talked too wanted me too stay away from (balsa availability, price premium, TR3 is as good etc.)

Also i was looking at the big brands offerings, but especially the claimed weights f?r Fanatic, Naish, JP etc. put me off.

So i bought a Quatro Glide 8'6 Pro and i'm really happy with this board, perfect for my/your conditions, with 7,8 kg really light, and so far no signs of wear (scratches, dings, paddle marks etc.)
The Quatro Sups esp. the Glide aren't discussed much in this forum, some threads mention the Carve, but the Glide is a top allroundboard in good construction imo.

Hi AlexF, Quatro is not a brand I've looked at much at all.

Interesting shape. Very wide in the 8'8 and 8'10 and plenty of volume for the length. What more can you say about them - Rocker, bottom shape, speed etc etc.?

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All supposedly planned to be available in the UK I believe you have (or had) a connection with Gong. There might have been an option there

I am a Gong ambassador, but buying a Gong (and I guess other direct delivery brands) from the UK is quite risky delay-wise currently. In any case it is best to inquire first with them.

Plus a lot of boards are out of stock due to a worldwide shortage of FCSII fin boxes, FCS has not been able to get the resin it needs for months now. Gong have even begun to put Future boxes in its prone surfboards to have some for summer...

Hi, similar problem here. I wanted something for my local UK NE coast conditions (Saltburn). When its on here it can be epic (relatively speaking), however most of the time it's North Sea mess - windy, chop (very choppy) etc. Wanted a stable board that could could cover most of the conditions I face. I went with a 'local' supplier in the NE. Board is 9' 'fishy' outline 150ltr (big volume I know, I'm 6'3 and 86kg) but it is super stable, loads of glide and is very lively off the tail. Unexpected bonus, punching out through the white stuff is a revelation. I'd spent ages trying to hunt down a board from all the major players in the UK this year but couldn't find one anywhere, and I hadn't considered Gong (they look good) at the time. Moral of the story is - what you are looking for could be closer to home. I'm considering a smaller board from the same supplier for the winter months here.

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Hi, similar problem here. I wanted something for my local UK NE coast conditions (Saltburn). When its on here it can be epic (relatively speaking), however most of the time it's North Sea mess - windy, chop (very choppy) etc. Wanted a stable board that could could cover most of the conditions I face. I went with a 'local' supplier in the NE. Board is 9' 'fishy' outline 150ltr (big volume I know, I'm 6'3 and 86kg) but it is super stable, loads of glide and is very lively off the tail. Unexpected bonus, punching out through the white stuff is a revelation. I'd spent ages trying to hunt down a board from all the major players in the UK this year but couldn't find one anywhere, and I hadn't considered Gong (they look good) at the time. Moral of the story is - what you are looking for could be closer to home. I'm considering a smaller board from the same supplier for the winter months here.

I think I know who you're talking about and the very board. There is one board in their line up that is on my list and has received a good review but other than that there isn't a whole lot out there about that board, or others in their line up. I know their products are decent from previous years reviews etc. though.

I will say that, that position is not limited to that particular brand or manufacturer. All of them are in a similar boat where there just hasn't been anything out there for sale for people to actually record their thoughts.

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N00N00 said..
All supposedly planned to be available in the UK I believe you have (or had) a connection with Gong. There might have been an option there

I am a Gong ambassador, but buying a Gong (and I guess other direct delivery brands) from the UK is quite risky delay-wise currently. In any case it is best to inquire first with them.

Plus a lot of boards are out of stock due to a worldwide shortage of FCSII fin boxes, FCS has not been able to get the resin it needs for months now. Gong have even begun to put Future boxes in its prone surfboards to have some for summer...

Cheers Colas. Any of the Gong line up that you would personally recommend for a useless excuse like myself?

How easy to get Gong in UK, interested.

Pretty sure they take the vat off at check out, you then have to pay vat and import duty to the handler when it arrives in the UK.

Cheers, website shows little in stock. Same issues getting Specific quality 'high end' MTB kit as well.

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Cheers Colas. Any of the Gong line up that you would personally recommend for a useless excuse like myself?

For "garbage waves", I guess you have two options: (in Gong or other brands)

A longboard shape (e.g, the NFA) to get the board easily on any kind of wave, even if not well placed, and then plow through all what can happen (chop, wave doubling, flattening out, ...) without stopping.

A "Tomo" shorter and wider, very stable, that can be thrown around for turns without stalling, thanks to their wide tail, but will need more experience in reading of the waves to know where and when to take off: The Mob.

As for buying from Gong, (also for Napnap), I would first contact them for info: they will have some real-time feedback on the transport situation for your county, that can vary daily. They have grown now to more than 75 people, with a lot customer-facing, so they should be able to give you info. But my personal opinion is that currently in your case buying local - if the local builder has the materials in stock - or at least from an UK shop with the board actually in stock may be a safer bet for you.

Examples:

The glide of a longboard shape: You rely on the board length and inertia





Or you to use the (very) wide tail on a (very) short SUP. The "Mob" will be longer and less technical, but it is the same kind of dynamics.

Great advice, many thanks, really helps in these uncertain times particularly here in the UK.

Great advice, many thanks, really helps in these uncertain times particularly here in the UK.

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Hi AlexF, Quatro is not a brand I've looked at much at all.

Interesting shape. Very wide in the 8'8 and 8'10 and plenty of volume for the length. What more can you say about them - Rocker, bottom shape, speed etc etc.?

My recent experience comes from a 7'11 x 30, 130 liters, Tomo shape, much like the F-One Papenoo, fast rocker, beveled rails and a Naish X32 8'8, 140 liters, narrow nose/tail and a truckload of rocker.

The Glide 8'6 x 32, 130 liters, sits kind of in between them, wider nose/tail than the X32, with flatter rocker, but not as flat as the 7'11.
Stability in choppy water is far better than the 7'11 and even the X32, due to the wider nose and tail. Takeoffs are easier than with the X32 because the Glide gains more paddle speed. On a (slow) wave the 7'11 is noticeable faster, but this board is a real speed machine.
Regarding turning, the Glide turns tighter than the 7'11, but i can't compare it to the X32 really, since the X32 needed a good wave to gain speed to turn nice and tight, in slow waves it was too slow.
The Glide is more suited to slow waves than the X32 was, in fast waves i still have to test the board.

The bottom is a V doubleconcave, the board is really light, 7,8 kg, and so far tough and dingresistant.
I am 90 kg, 6'2, 1,92m, 52 years, medium level

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N00N00 said..

Hi AlexF, Quatro is not a brand I've looked at much at all.

Interesting shape. Very wide in the 8'8 and 8'10 and plenty of volume for the length. What more can you say about them - Rocker, bottom shape, speed etc etc.?

My recent experience comes from a 7'11 x 30, 130 liters, Tomo shape, much like the F-One Papenoo, fast rocker, beveled rails and a Naish X32 8'8, 140 liters, narrow nose/tail and a truckload of rocker.

The Glide 8'6 x 32, 130 liters, sits kind of in between them, wider nose/tail than the X32, with flatter rocker, but not as flat as the 7'11.
Stability in choppy water is far better than the 7'11 and even the X32, due to the wider nose and tail. Takeoffs are easier than with the X32 because the Glide gains more paddle speed. On a (slow) wave the 7'11 is noticeable faster, but this board is a real speed machine.
Regarding turning, the Glide turns tighter than the 7'11, but i can't compare it to the X32 really, since the X32 needed a good wave to gain speed to turn nice and tight, in slow waves it was too slow.
The Glide is more suited to slow waves than the X32 was, in fast waves i still have to test the board.

The bottom is a V doubleconcave, the board is really light, 7,8 kg, and so far tough and dingresistant.
I am 90 kg, 6'2, 1,92m, 52 years, medium level

Thanks for the info. I must admit I do like the look of them. There is something appealing about them and it looks like there's a UK supplier!!

Another ****ing lockdown here in Victoria only allowed a 5 KM radius from home to exercise, I'm never going to be able to take the Placid out at this rate. Lucky I built myself a dry land SUP for a bit of practice and balance but I'm desperate to get out in the surf. Long range surf forecast says its going to be great surf last week of this month, but as always have to wait until the last minute to see what its really like.

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Another ****ing lockdown here in Victoria only allowed a 5 KM radius from home to exercise, I'm never going to be able to take the Placid out at this rate. Lucky I built myself a dry land SUP for a bit of practice and balance but I'm desperate to get out in the surf. Long range surf forecast says its going to be great surf last week of this month, but as always have to wait until the last minute to see what its really like.

You're not the only one waiting for your report! Good luck mate, and you can thank NSW for your lockdown.
Cheers, Jimbo

NOONOO, just got a Glide 8'6 (?400 off ticket price, 2022 models coming October). Initial impressions are excellent. Looks way smaller in the 'flesh'. Quality of construction is good and is very light in the standard build. Just waiting for some swell!

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NOONOO, just got a Glide 8'6 (?400 off ticket price, 2022 models coming October). Initial impressions are excellent. Looks way smaller in the 'flesh'. Quality of construction is good and is very light in the standard build. Just waiting for some swell!

Exciting times Napnap. I think that the Glide is one board that is currently available off the shelf in the UK (according to store websites that is) which may ultimately be a driving factor. Slightly marked down in price too. I need to research them more I think so anything more you can add with regard to performance is most welcome.

I suspect that new SUP availability in the UK is a real problem now and almost a lottery. Massive shortage and difficulties in shipping meaning containers are basically left quayside. I also think there's some Jimmy Lewis boards out there on the shelves. To my knowledge there's nothing from Starboard, Fanatic or JP here at all. Gong website states that stuff will be coming available at the end of the month. I should be looking at the Mob for what I want I think but I'm a little worried about its ability to paddle out through mess. Plus I've also heard of issues of problems with the deck pads. The boards are solid as but the pads give out in no time. I also need to grab a blast on my mates Hypernut. He swears by them and has various sizes for the family and his foiling ambitions. They use them for everything. There's a 9' which might be an ideal option there. Again though, availability is garbage at the moment.

A Smik Hipster Twin is also on my list. Great board by all accounts but I have some concerns about groveler wave ability with it, Supboarder says it is suited to slacker waves but it is not quick board onto the wave which might be problematic. Again availability isn't looking great.

Will do. Am at Beadnell, flat as flat, will be back Saltburn Wednesday. Even if still flat will get out and give first impressions. Exactly same issue for me. Started the search September 20 after a Starboard, ordered one, shop kept me informed and by Feb 21 still not arrived (arrived May 21 all sold pre-order), tried the same with infinity, Smik, JL. Like Colas said, and Reuben (Supboarder), the trade off is fixing on one model v a range that would be probably suitable and the irony is it's next to impossible to demo any of them. There are some limited Smik in stock at Bishopton Water Shop but again, not ideal, this is why I got the Guppy in Jan this year. Nothing wrong at all, in fact it's great, it just wasn't my first choice. It is however, a 'kin blast to paddle out on, it's got a really 'unique' nose for it's size. All the boards you mention were on my list, just couldn't get them this year. You'll know what it's like over here, within 20mins you can have such varying conditions in the North Sea, from glassy perfect (rarely) to chop, wind etc I wanted a middle of the road board that wouldn't be too much compromise in most common conditions. Most of my reading around the Quattro left me more perplexed as it is billed as an all rounder with surf credentials by the manufacturer, and yet most reviews and user comments praise it's surf abilities. The best one described it as a great step down more performance board for heavier/bigger guys wanting a smaller board (me!). I like the description by Gong as a 4x4 for their Mob, think the Quattro may be similar- true, exciting time.

Oh yeah, build and finish, superficially anyway, reminds me of Starboard

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I suspect that new SUP availability in the UK is a real problem now

And not only in the UK. On a French forum, a guy tried to find a SUP board in France, most of the big names were not available before ... December!

And this was for shops that have already ordered containers. Shops that have not pre-ordered yet risk not seeing a SUP before well into next year. One shop even tried to b*ll** him by answering "SUP is dead, just Wingfoil like everyone else" ;-)

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Will do. Am at Beadnell, flat as flat, will be back Saltburn Wednesday. Even if still flat will get out and give first impressions. Exactly same issue for me. Started the search September 20 after a Starboard, ordered one, shop kept me informed and by Feb 21 still not arrived (arrived May 21 all sold pre-order), tried the same with infinity, Smik, JL. Like Colas said, and Reuben (Supboarder), the trade off is fixing on one model v a range that would be probably suitable and the irony is it's next to impossible to demo any of them. There are some limited Smik in stock at Bishopton Water Shop but again, not ideal, this is why I got the Guppy in Jan this year. Nothing wrong at all, in fact it's great, it just wasn't my first choice. It is however, a 'kin blast to paddle out on, it's got a really 'unique' nose for it's size. All the boards you mention were on my list, just couldn't get them this year. You'll know what it's like over here, within 20mins you can have such varying conditions in the North Sea, from glassy perfect (rarely) to chop, wind etc I wanted a middle of the road board that wouldn't be too much compromise in most common conditions. Most of my reading around the Quattro left me more perplexed as it is billed as an all rounder with surf credentials by the manufacturer, and yet most reviews and user comments praise it's surf abilities. The best one described it as a great step down more performance board for heavier/bigger guys wanting a smaller board (me!). I like the description by Gong as a 4x4 for their Mob, think the Quattro may be similar- true, exciting time.

Oh yeah, build and finish, superficially anyway, reminds me of Starboard

Cheers. Same here, flat as a pancake until next week at least. Hmm that shop has a 8'10" Smik Hipster with a foil box. I see Loco have a little stock Guppy's and a couple of Hybrids in carbon. Not sure I want the outlay for a carbon board though.

The demo situation is horrible in the UK unless you live in an area with a high density of watersports shops. No such luck for me in North Wales. Finding information and making a judgement is really difficult especially when you're starting out. I've already made too many poor decisions with regards to SUPs.

Colas-container prices have gone from?1k to ?8k and using a certain courier here in UK has gone from ?50 to ?200 with both brexit and Covid being the reason. We had a four week break booked for now in South Brittany-cancelled due to BellendBoris. And, thousands of containers stuck in Felixstowe full of Pratt Halfcocks illegally sourced PPE. NOONOO, I got the wood version Guppy, only downside is the weight, it's quite heavy in this build. I bought too big, Joe advised smaller but I was worried about stability in bad chop-you know the sort. Have paddled the smaller Guppy and Joes 120 litre Hybrid (calm, knee high), both far more laterally stable than I imagined. The Guppy was more tippy front to rear, very sensitive to foot placement, the Hybrid was not as tippy and it was easier to catch smaller waves on it. The only reasons I didn't go for one of these when I like my Guppy so much are cost for carbon versions and I wanted something in between, hence the Quattro before going for a carbon Diablo when skills are at that level and conditions warrant that sort of board. Think this makes sense!

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Colas-container prices have gone from?1k to ?8k and using a certain courier here in UK has gone from ?50 to ?200 with both brexit and Covid being the reason. We had a four week break booked for now in South Brittany-cancelled due to BellendBoris. And, thousands of containers stuck in Felixstowe full of Pratt Halfcocks illegally sourced PPE. NOONOO, I got the wood version Guppy, only downside is the weight, it's quite heavy in this build. I bought too big, Joe advised smaller but I was worried about stability in bad chop-you know the sort. Have paddled the smaller Guppy and Joes 120 litre Hybrid (calm, knee high), both far more laterally stable than I imagined. The Guppy was more tippy front to rear, very sensitive to foot placement, the Hybrid was not as tippy and it was easier to catch smaller waves on it. The only reasons I didn't go for one of these when I like my Guppy so much are cost for carbon versions and I wanted something in between, hence the Quattro before going for a carbon Diablo when skills are at that level and conditions warrant that sort of board. Think this makes sense!

Cheers again Napnap. I've no qualms going a bit bigger than many would recommend at this time. With the conditions and my low skill set I need all the help I can get from the board itself. I think the Guppy will be too big a step for me although the shape is fascinating. I've owned an Allwave and JP Fusion in the past and they didn't really work for me. Too small too early but there were other factors as well, including my own ability (lack of). More research needed.

I've also seen that Blue Planet have a Potato Chip 8'6" x 32" 131L but again I'm short of info on it and it's a European import which comes with problems. They may not even send it here for example.

The Smik mentioned above is tempting but establishing how well it will suit me is still awkward.

Same with the Quatro Glide. All decent options I suspect but no clear favourite at the moment.

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N00N00 said.. The SUP shelves are bare in the UK at the moment, I don't think there is a single hard board available anywhere, certainly no 2021 models.

What's wrong with older models? I mean there are a lot of shapes that are a bit older than the 2021 models but work just fine.
The Quatro Glide is also a bit older model, 2019 if I'm not mistaken and the blue planet patato ship is even older. Some models just function good and don't need to be every year updated.

I don't want to promote Jimmy Lewis broads too much but there are still destroyers available in the UK, these are even older models but if you read on the forum over here are there very promising reviews. northshoresurf.co.uk/product-category/sup-boards
I live in the Netherlands and a shop in France and this shop in the UK, in the end I bought my Destroyer in France, but there was still availability when I acquired it 3 months ago.

The Glide can you compare to a bit advanced all wave in my opinion, very good and light board, I've had the Carve pro, same build only a bit faster and surfier I guess.

And the last option isn't so stupid either, only for reselling maybe but a custom board is made for you, if you want the dims and volume the shaper will definitely make a ultimate weapon for you and then you have the 2021 model even though I don't think it's necessary to have the latest model.

just my 2 cents

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N00N00 said.. The SUP shelves are bare in the UK at the moment, I don't think there is a single hard board available anywhere, certainly no 2021 models.

What's wrong with older models? I mean there are a lot of shapes that are a bit older than the 2021 models but work just fine.
The Quatro Glide is also a bit older model, 2019 if I'm not mistaken and the blue planet patato ship is even older. Some models just function good and don't need to be every year updated.

I don't want to promote Jimmy Lewis broads too much but there are still destroyers available in the UK, these are even older models but if you read on the forum over here are there very promising reviews. northshoresurf.co.uk/product-category/sup-boards
I live in the Netherlands and a shop in France and this shop in the UK, in the end I bought my Destroyer in France, but there was still availability when I acquired it 3 months ago.

The Glide can you compare to a bit advanced all wave in my opinion, very good and light board, I've had the Carve pro, same build only a bit faster and surfier I guess.

And the last option isn't so stupid either, only for reselling maybe but a custom board is made for you, if you want the dims and volume the shaper will definitely make a ultimate weapon for you and then you have the 2021 model even though I don't think it's necessary to have the latest model.

just my 2 cents

Thanks Estingo. There's nothing wrong with older models at all. The shops are pretty bare from what I've seen. I regularly scour the second hand market but even that is a bit bare although it is improving. There's huge issue with couriers refusing to carry them and definitely insure them. I don't know how the shops manage it to be honest. I believe the Hypr rep actually delivers in person (within reason). Collection is the best bet but I live in North Wales which might as well be a SUP desert with regard to surf sups and waves too I guess. Travelling to Devon / Cornwall is pushing 16 hours driving for something that you've only seen photos of. No chance the missus wants a camping trip with the Covid situation in the UK either. With regard to JL boards I'm leaning more towards the Super Frank to be honest, and I believe there's some availability
Custom is an option apart from looking at one from overseas.

My current list is and this based largely on availability

Quatro Glide
JL Super Frank
Smik Hipster
Blue Planet Potato Chip (possible import issue)
Gong Mob (As above)
Loco Guppy
Loco Hybrid

If they were available I'd be looking at Hypernuts, Stubby's, another Hypr.

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Thanks Estingo. There's nothing wrong with older models at all. The shops are pretty bare from what I've seen. I regularly scour the second hand market but even that is a bit bare although it is improving. There's huge issue with couriers refusing to carry them and definitely insure them. I don't know how the shops manage it to be honest. I believe the Hypr rep actually delivers in person (within reason). Collection is the best bet but I live in North Wales which might as well be a SUP desert with regard to surf sups and waves too I guess. Travelling to Devon / Cornwall is pushing 16 hours driving for something that you've only seen photos of. No chance the missus wants a camping trip with the Covid situation in the UK either. With regard to JL boards I'm leaning more towards the Super Frank to be honest, and I believe there's some availability
Custom is an option apart from looking at one from overseas.

My current list is and this based largely on availability

Quatro Glide
JL Super Frank
Smik Hipster
Blue Planet Potato Chip (possible import issue)
Gong Mob (As above)
Loco Guppy
Loco Hybrid

If they were available I'd be looking at Hypernuts, Stubby's, another Hypr.

All good and understanding about the current situation, difficult times. But a nice list you have there, it's always a risk to drive long for a board you haven't seen yet except pictures. Good luck with the search I'll follow your choice over here in this thread, I'm curious what you end up with!

NOONOO-quick update, yesterday best conditions Saltburn seen in months 4-5ft and glassy smooth, approx 7s. Only had Guppy (9'), long story regarding rail saver and Quattro, ran quads for the first time - was the best day yet, plenty of prone guys commenting on size of board (How small-it looks smaller than it is), It's glide and agility. So, tomorrow is another typical sh*** NE blown out chop fest so will Take out the Quattro and let you know how stable etc.

NOONOO, the Quattro is a very very stable board, 8'6 is more stable than the Guppy 9'. Its laterally more sensitive but in a positive way. It paddles and deals with white stuff etc going out as good as the Guppy. The purpose today was to see how it managed choppy North Sea conditions, genuinely did not bother me at all, really became just background 'noise'. The board is seriously stable. Didn't expect much of the conditions but managed to catch a few, (seriously crap conditions), it pivots from the back predictably to turn and catch waves easily and glide, stability and tracking are good. It's very easy to surf and flatters what skills you have. In terms of being more laterally sensitive in a positive way compared to the Guppy this meant it reacted more to toe and heel pressure to initiate movement compared to the Guppy which requires more positive foot movement. It seems tough, newbie long boarder (complete with gittee goatee!) dropped in and twatted the rear toe side rail as he ditched, just flaked a bit of paint away. Only real negative is size of centre fin - its just way too big in my opinion. Other than that all good, hope your search is goes well!