axisfoils.com/collections/pro-ultra-high-modulus-carbon-masts
Its a new level of high modulusness. It's higher than Willy Nelson, higher than Snoop Dogg, Pro Ultra High.
All jokes aside looks like an amazing mast, loving the chord and thickness reduction down low yet still significantly stiffer than current mast. I am guessing the price is going to be like the modulus- Ultra High


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Youngbreezy said..
axisfoils.com/collections/pro-ultra-high-modulus-carbon-masts
Its a new level of high modulusness. It's higher than Willy Nelson, higher than Snoop Dogg, Pro Ultra High.
All jokes aside looks like an amazing mast, loving the chord and thickness reduction down low yet still significantly stiffer than current mast. I am guessing the price is going to be like the modulus- Ultra High

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Ummmm...Snoop gave up smoking the Tea ;)

Holy **** $4200 Aussie good on them if they think they can get that kind of money and people will pay it. Ultra High modulus carbon is super nice and feels way better on masts and wings and why we use it on all our FOILS and it definitely costs more to use but that price WOW makes our $1500 UHM mast look rather cheap.

i wonder what extra descriptions they can add to the next version. Super Duper PRO Ultra Really Really Super Duper High Modulus mast

That price isn't a typo?

I'm just hoping for the release of the same foil section in 2nd generation aluminum for the mere peasants like myself

you don't need to spend $4200 for a decent mast. plenty of other brands have very good masts that most of us plebs wouldn't notice the difference for half that price. i don't get it. but hey maybe this mast is that good ..

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Shlogger said..

Youngbreezy said..
axisfoils.com/collections/pro-ultra-high-modulus-carbon-masts
Its a new level of high modulusness. It's higher than Willy Nelson, higher than Snoop Dogg, Pro Ultra High.
All jokes aside looks like an amazing mast, loving the chord and thickness reduction down low yet still significantly stiffer than current mast. I am guessing the price is going to be like the modulus- Ultra High

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Ummmm...Snoop gave up smoking the Tea ;)

Nah man that's fake news, Uncle Snoop is still blazing hard

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eppo said..
you don't need to spend $4200 for a decent mast. plenty of other brands have very good masts that most of us plebs wouldn't notice the difference for half that price. i don't get it. but hey maybe this mast is that good ..

I am glad we have at least reached the point where it's just way too ridiculous for your average punter.
Maybe brands will go okay we have gone too far maybe just pull it back a bit

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eppo said..
i wonder what extra descriptions they can add to the next version. Super Duper PRO Ultra Really Really Super Duper High Modulus mast

Super Duper Ultra Really Really High priced mast ...thats for sure

Adrien talked about this mast in a few podcasts and also on the Axis Foils Riders group on FB. That they made it for team riders and weren't palnning on releasing it because of the price tag. But still a few people asked for it and are showing interest and they released it now. Would you prefer if Axis kept it for themselves?

One of the great things about Axis product range, is the various options; you can get a very good alu mast for cheap or you can get diffent kind of carbon masts (Power Carbon, High Modulus or Ultra), depending on your preference and budget. If there's people willing to pay extra to get a more, even if it's just a bit more, what's the big deal?

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Supnorte said..
Adrien talked about this mast in a few podcasts and also on the Axis Foils Riders group on FB. That they made it for team riders and weren't palnning on releasing it because of the price tag. But still a few people asked for it and are showing interest and they released it now. Would you prefer if Axis kept it for themselves?

One of the great things about Axis product range, is the various options; you can get a very good alu mast for cheap or you can get diffent kind of carbon masts (Power Carbon, High Modulus or Ultra), depending on your preference and budget. If there's people willing to pay extra to get a more, even if it's just a bit more, what's the big deal?

No problem with this, but what the market probably wants more is iterative improvement at an affordable price point.

For example, how about the tapered profile and refined foil section with just regular non ultra high modulus carbon? Or improvements to the foil section applied to the alu mast?

Let's hope there's some trickle down.

From what I understand listening to several explinations by Adrien is that's not possible to have tappered profile on alu masts with the current type of construction, but is porbably possible to have redifine the foil section. Let's see what happens next.

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From what I understand listening to several explinations by Adrien is that's not possible to have tappered profile on alu masts with the current type of construction, but is porbably possible to have redifine the foil section. Let's see what happens next.

Ignoring the fact that the best foilers at my local (who are litterally running circles around me) are on Axis, it still doesn't make sense to me to bolt up an aluminum fuse to a carbon mast and I don't understand why Axis doesn't start the shift to a full carbon set up... I've found that a tapered mast is not as important as a thin chord in terms of drag. That said, if I could afford it, and it made me competitive with the younger and better foilers, you bet!

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Hwy1North said..

Supnorte said..
From what I understand listening to several explinations by Adrien is that's not possible to have tappered profile on alu masts with the current type of construction, but is porbably possible to have redifine the foil section. Let's see what happens next.

Ignoring the fact that the best foilers at my local (who are litterally running circles around me) are on Axis, it still doesn't make sense to me to bolt up an aluminum fuse to a carbon mast and I don't understand why Axis doesn't start the shift to a full carbon set up... I've found that a tapered mast is not as important as a thin chord in terms of drag. That said, if I could afford it, and it made me competitive with the younger and better foilers, you bet!

Ali fuse allows a smaller diameter = less drag in theory. Why I went with Code for their full carbon setup. Pretty sure I do not notice the drag from a few more mm of fuse diameter.

Fone has a nice thin carbon fuse which works great

The deep socket of the Axis fuselage doesn't lend itself to be built in carbon as there is a weak point just in front of the mast. The alloy fuselages already crack here.

It feels like there should be a mid 80cm size for that 'one size to do it all'. It doesn't matter though, no way I've got that much to spend on one anyway.

This guy already basically tied for 1st in the most recent Maui to Molokai on a 17mm thickness 125mm chord mast. So is skill the most important factor or a .04% lower drag mast?

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Thatspec said..
This guy already basically tied for 1st in the most recent Maui to Molokai on a 17mm thickness 125mm chord mast. So is skill the most important factor or a .04% lower drag mast?

Yeah but if he'd been on a $5000 Military Grade Ultra High Modulus mast he would have won!

Also if anyone wants to sell one of their old tired outdated, antiquated obsolete, redundant so 5 years ago High modulus Power Carbon axis masts I am in the market for a 750 or 820.

I mean they are basically worthless now but I will still give you a couple hundred coz I'm a nice guy

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Youngbreezy said..

Thatspec said..
This guy already basically tied for 1st in the most recent Maui to Molokai on a 17mm thickness 125mm chord mast. So is skill the most important factor or a .04% lower drag mast?

Yeah but if he'd been on a $5000 Military Grade Ultra High Modulus mast he would have won!

If you are second your first of the loosers

I don't think any of the axis team were on production masts for M2O

I'm always first when I down wind with myself, must be because I use my ultra high modulus pro elite super duper fang dangled mast that retails for $12000 but for lucky Seabreeze people now only $1500( includes free freight and Aussie made custom cover)
By the way if someone wants to pay $4000 for ours we are happy to also take that amount

I also have a idea for racing which will more than likely be unpopular with a few elite sponsored riders but would help 99% of normal people which I will do a vid about one day soon.

Hey Paul J,

your masts look pretty sweet, maybe a little bit faster/ less drag than an Axis high mod mast. Have you done any testing on the masts or could you compare them to an Axis high mod mast? any tests like the ones that the wake thief does?

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eppo said..
you don't need to spend $4200 for a decent mast. plenty of other brands have very good masts that most of us plebs wouldn't notice the difference for half that price. i don't get it. but hey maybe this mast is that good ..

I am glad we have at least reached the point where it's just way too ridiculous for your average punter.
Maybe brands will go okay we have gone too far maybe just pull it back a bit

nobody is forced to buy it so if there is a market for it(there is) then good on em. Meanwhile the Axis Alum 19mmis still the golden standard, and still available.

You can get Mikeslab with all the fittings (plate option) and shipping from Italy for $1000 USD less. I rest my case ....

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BigZ said..
You can get Mikeslab with all the fittings (plate option) and shipping from Italy for $1000 USD less. I rest my case ....

Amen BigZ can someone explain how the new 3k mast is 1.5k better than the new HM mast that was state of the art a year ago Lol

My take is that to get stiff for a given thickness there are two ways. Through expensive processes and/or through expensive materials. We hear a lot about expensive materials like high modulus but we don't hear as much about the expensive processes.

Now very few companies might have access to the expensive processes and other companies might have to buy the very highest end aerospace carbon to make up for lower end processes to achieve the required stiffness at the same thickness. Up until very recently many companies have found it necessary to create a thick mast in order to gain the required stiffness and this suggests that till this point their processes and/or materials were on the lower spec side of things compared to other companies who seem to have been making thin masts stiff for a very very long time. eg gofoil or mikes lab. Any given companies competitiveness at say the 14mm thick and lower will depend on their access to the high end processes and materials and whether their design is conducive to the use of these processes and materials and this is where the cost will come in.

Interesting that it must cost axis so much to manufacture this thin and stiff mast which i am sure would be very stiff.

who knows but this is my amateur's take on it after wondering why Armstong, unifoil and axis couldn't get rigid thin masts to market for so many years.

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AnyBoard said..
My take is that to get stiff for a given thickness there are two ways. Through expensive processes and/or through expensive materials. We hear a lot about expensive materials like high modulus but we don't hear as much about the expensive processes.

Now very few companies might have access to the expensive processes and other companies might have to buy the very highest end aerospace carbon to make up for lower end processes to achieve the required stiffness at the same thickness. Up until very recently many companies have found it necessary to create a thick mast in order to gain the required stiffness and this suggests that till this point their processes and/or materials were on the lower spec side of things compared to other companies who seem to have been making thin masts stiff for a very very long time. eg gofoil or mikes lab. Any given companies competitiveness at say the 14mm thick and lower will depend on their access to the high end processes and materials and whether their design is conducive to the use of these processes and materials and this is where the cost will come in.

Interesting that it must cost axis so much to manufacture this thin and stiff mast which i am sure would be very stiff.

who knows but this is my amateur's take on it after wondering why Armstong, unifoil and axis couldn't get rigid thin masts to market for so many years.

I think you are very much correct. Pricing is also a factor of market sales models. Where a company like Axis sells through a distributor to a retailer, there is typically a fixed markup. So while the cost of production is not that significant, by the time the extra $200 goes to $400 to $700 you have some real money. Mike's Lab sells direct and in smaller volume, so they make more mark up initially, but only once. If Axis thinks they will only sell a few, then their initial mark up has to be higher as well.