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Loz79 said..
I'm sorry but i just don't get it!, maybe i need to try one and then ill get what all the fuss is about??? or maybe it will be another fading fad like the Slate type boards from last year???....Just seems a bit strange to me.....

Thanks for that Loz I thought the same.

ET.

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Loz79 said..
I'm sorry but i just don't get it!, maybe i need to try one and then ill get what all the fuss is about??? or maybe it will be another fading fad like the Slate type boards from last year???....Just seems a bit strange to me.....

Foiling is nothing new the kiters & wind surfers have been doing it for 10 years (it's not a fad). Only now has someone put them on a Sup. Grab a kite foil board and hop behind a boat. The feeling is insane , then you realise what all the fuss is about. It won't be used for normal surf breaks but outer bombies for the short boards or insane downwinders on the long boards.

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Loz79 said..
I'm sorry but i just don't get it!, maybe i need to try one and then ill get what all the fuss is about??? or maybe it will be another fading fad like the Slate type boards from last year???....Just seems a bit strange to me.....

That's a strange thing to say on a SUP forum. Who needs a SUP? Why would you ever want to surf a wave on a SUP? It's just a passing fad ...

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Piros said...

Loz79 said..
I'm sorry but i just don't get it!, maybe i need to try one and then ill get what all the fuss is about??? or maybe it will be another fading fad like the Slate type boards from last year???....Just seems a bit strange to me.....

Foiling is nothing new the kiters & wind surfers have been doing it for 10 years (it's not a fad). Only now has someone put them on a Sup. Grab a kite foil board and hop behind a boat. The feeling is insane , then you realise what all the fuss is about. It won't be used for normal surf breaks but outer bombies for the short boards or insane downwinders on the long boards.

Thanks Rob, like I say i probs need to try one to see what the fuss is about... Never been a kiter or wind surfer so have had nothing to do with them, just surfing then Sup for me. Good on you guys for pushing the limits and using your imagination and I'm only too happy to be proved wrong, I used to think Sup was a bit strange too....now I can't get enough!!

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Loz79 said..
I'm sorry but i just don't get it!, maybe i need to try one and then ill get what all the fuss is about??? or maybe it will be another fading fad like the Slate type boards from last year???....Just seems a bit strange to me.....

That's a strange thing to say on a SUP forum. Who needs a SUP? Why would you ever want to surf a wave on a SUP? It's just a passing fad ...

You may be right, I had a similar view on Sup a few years ago, now can't get enough...I guess I'll be proved wrong the day I see 50 foilers out in the ocean and 10's of thousands of them sold each year like Sup boards

All good Loz we are just having fun.....

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Piros said...
All good Loz we are just having fun.....

Nice!, fun is what it's all about mate

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chucktheskiffie said..
Anyone else notice that the foil section is blurred in the surfing bit of that photo. Like the foil is made out of a star-witness in a mob murder trial.

What a pack of douchebags... guys think they have split the atom or something...

First person to buy one please post a pic of it here...

exactly !!! why bother putting it out there unless they are geared up to sell it . Such a wank off . they are probably trying to work the canoe deck into the design !! ok ......... enter all starboard sponsored SB crew to shoot my negative comments down.....

like someone else said it looks real effective for DW though even with the blurry foil !!!

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Piros said..

nose will dig in when you pitch the foil down. Too short and the board wont have the glide required to generate the speed on a runner.

Not really it's more the leverage point on the Mast , too much in front just won't let the foil up , too much behind the foil will rise too high and cavitate and drop. It's a fine balance and the closer you get the Mast mounting point to the sweet spot the easier it is too ride and set the trim.

It's nothing to do with the physics of the board. I'm talking about human error and input. Everybody makes mistakes and sooner or later you will pitch the nose down on a bumpy day.

I don't think Starboard have done themselves any favours with such a hastily put together video of a poorly balanced board that's had a date with a saw...

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magillamelb said..
I don't think Starboard have done themselves any favours with such a hastily put together video of a poorly balanced board that's had a date with a saw...

Nah. It's all standard stuff. That's just the old 2016 model. They'll be releasing the 2017 model any day now.

Me? I'm holding out for the release of the 2018 model next year. I'm sure it'll be so much better.

Seriously though. This foiling malarkey is interesting and entertaining. Frenchmen do it for years and then "BOOM!" The sponsored wiz kids of Kai and Conner jump on one and it's 100% excitement complete with rushed marketing warfare!!!!

That aside, I 'spouse the more board / foil designs there are and the more people doing it and thinking about it will hopefully ultimately lead to a better product that balance-challenged 6'4" 90kg units like me can use with some sort of effectiveness so IT'S ALL GOOD!!!!

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Hawaiiheke said..

magillamelb said..
I don't think Starboard have done themselves any favours with such a hastily put together video of a poorly balanced board that's had a date with a saw...

Nah. It's all standard stuff. That's just the old 2016 model. They'll be releasing the 2017 model any day now.

Me? I'm holding out for the release of the 2018 model next year. I'm sure it'll be so much better.

Seriously though. This foiling malarkey is interesting and entertaining. Frenchmen do it for years and then "BOOM!" The sponsored wiz kids of Kai and Conner jump on one and it's 100% excitement complete with rushed marketing warfare!!!!

That aside, I 'spouse the more board / foil designs there are and the more people doing it and thinking about it will hopefully ultimately lead to a better product that balance-challenged 6'4" 90kg units like me can use with some sort of effectiveness so IT'S ALL GOOD!!!!

In good time no doubt that will be the case, provided these manufacturers aren't too greedy...

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In good time no doubt that will be the case, provided these manufacturers aren't too greedy...

What's the likelihood of that? I mean it's not like Go Foil is seeking an exclusive patent to lock up its design and prevent competition that will reduce prices for the consumer in a way that will kill it all off is it?????..................

If you can buy a surf foil for 1000 Euros which I would think will work on a SUP board, then these manufacturers are taking the piss. It would be difficult to get a patent on a product that already has a competitive market, given there are plenty of manufacturers already, albeit for surf or kiting.

I couldn't help noticing how wet Connor is throughout that entire vid - must have been having a prick of a time staying upright on that thing.

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magillamelb said...
If you can buy a surf foil for 1000 Euros which I would think will work on a SUP board, then these manufacturers are taking the piss. It would be difficult to get a patent on a product that already has a competitive market, given there are plenty of manufacturers already, albeit for surf or kiting.

1000 Euro which is roughly $1600 aussie then add a bit of freight and import crap then so lets say $1800 plus Gst and this is for a foil that might do the job or might not or you can just buy the right foil for $2200 that is made to do the job you want.

Still Lot of money for something that might suit a few places in Australia but if i was getting one i think right now Starboard have the best option.

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teatrea said..
Doesn't the board become somewhat irrelevant with a foil?

For Surfing:-

No you need the paddle speed & stability to paddle onto a wave. I've been playing around with it and have a 8-6 and 8-2 Sups set up with foils. The 8-2 is definitely easier to raise to the foil but harder to catch the wave. So the board still plays a very important part. What's the ideal size and shape ? still working on that one

BrisKites said.

If the board is too long the nose will dig in when you pitch the foil down. Too short and the board wont have the glide required to generate the speed on a runner.

Not really it's more the leverage point on the Mast , too much in front just won't let the foil up , too much behind the foil will rise too high and cavitate and drop. It's a fine balance and the closer you get the Mast mounting point to the sweet spot the easier it is too ride and set the trim.

Yeah but what I mean is you don't need a $3000 race board, just a board that suits the foil and what you want to use it for. For me downwinding is the obvious choice, surfing shore waves not so much. Unless it's in those rare locations.Anyway I'd love to give it a go, it may be harder than it looks but so is Just about every new skill you learn is. Remember the first time you got on a sup, I'll bet my bottom dollar you thought this **** is not as easy as it looks

Funny that people are bashing Starboard for rushing into it when Kai was originally promoting Go Foil. In contrast it would seem Starboard have got someone who knows exactly what is going on in Alex and Go Foils and just applied it to one of their boards. Note not sure if Naish have done foils for kites before.

Hope I'm totally wrong, but I'm afraid this is meaning more hate on SUPs in the lineup now that we were starting to regain confidence by surfing short SUP surf boards.

Personally I wouldn't feel safe with one of those around. Pretty much the same as surfing with sharks.

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magillamelb said...
If you can buy a surf foil for 1000 Euros which I would think will work on a SUP board, then these manufacturers are taking the piss. It would be difficult to get a patent on a product that already has a competitive market, given there are plenty of manufacturers already, albeit for surf or kiting.

1000 Euro which is roughly $1600 aussie then add a bit of freight and import crap then so lets say $1800 plus Gst and this is for a foil that might do the job or might not or you can just buy the right foil for $2200 that is made to do the job you want.

Still Lot of money for something that might suit a few places in Australia but if i was getting one i think right now Starboard have the best option.

There's a high chance the Surf Go-Foil would work on a SUP as both operate at similar speed and hence the Reynolds number for the foils (and lift required) would be quite similar.

In terms of the Naish offering for $2,200, in the words of the great man Dale Kerrigan - "tell 'em they're dreamin".

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magillamelb said..

paul.j said..

magillamelb said...
If you can buy a surf foil for 1000 Euros which I would think will work on a SUP board, then these manufacturers are taking the piss. It would be difficult to get a patent on a product that already has a competitive market, given there are plenty of manufacturers already, albeit for surf or kiting.

1000 Euro which is roughly $1600 aussie then add a bit of freight and import crap then so lets say $1800 plus Gst and this is for a foil that might do the job or might not or you can just buy the right foil for $2200 that is made to do the job you want.

Still Lot of money for something that might suit a few places in Australia but if i was getting one i think right now Starboard have the best option.

There's a high chance the Surf Go-Foil would work on a SUP as both operate at similar speed and hence the Reynolds number for the foils (and lift required) would be quite similar.

In terms of the Naish offering for $2,200, in the words of the great man Dale Kerrigan - "tell 'em they're dreamin".

I'm seeing GoFoil surf rigs for around $1500 in the US. So that's about $2100 AUD. Throw in shipping and GST and you've just lost money.

Hi All,

To clarify Starboard's position:

Starboard is releasing a Starboard branded Go foil that is being produced by Alex Aguera from Go Foils. An agreement was made to help mass produce Alex’s foil in a shorter period and is to be released under the Starboard distribution network.

Initially only the foil is being released, which is full Carbon and comes in two different mast lengths for either Downwind or Surf use. Expected pricing is AU$2200.00 which is roughly the same as if purchased direct from Alex (including freight & duty).

The first production is already underway with expected supply to be in August. If you are interested, please contact your local Starboard retailer to secure one from the remaining stock in the first shipment.

Cheers, The Auswind Team

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PTWoody said..

magillamelb said..

paul.j said..

magillamelb said...
If you can buy a surf foil for 1000 Euros which I would think will work on a SUP board, then these manufacturers are taking the piss. It would be difficult to get a patent on a product that already has a competitive market, given there are plenty of manufacturers already, albeit for surf or kiting.

1000 Euro which is roughly $1600 aussie then add a bit of freight and import crap then so lets say $1800 plus Gst and this is for a foil that might do the job or might not or you can just buy the right foil for $2200 that is made to do the job you want.

Still Lot of money for something that might suit a few places in Australia but if i was getting one i think right now Starboard have the best option.

There's a high chance the Surf Go-Foil would work on a SUP as both operate at similar speed and hence the Reynolds number for the foils (and lift required) would be quite similar.

In terms of the Naish offering for $2,200, in the words of the great man Dale Kerrigan - "tell 'em they're dreamin".

I'm seeing GoFoil surf rigs for around $1500 in the US. So that's about $2100 AUD. Throw in shipping and GST and you've just lost money.

PTWoody said..

magillamelb said..




There's a high chance the Surf Go-Foil would work on a SUP as both operate at similar speed and hence the Reynolds number for the foils (and lift required) would be quite similar.

In terms of the Naish offering for $2,200, in the words of the great man Dale Kerrigan - "tell 'em they're dreamin".

I'm seeing GoFoil surf rigs for around $1500 in the US. So that's about $2100 AUD. Throw in shipping and GST and you've just lost money.

At least the GoFoil offering is all carbon. There is some reasonable value in that price point. If Naish want to sell their aluminium one for about that, then they're just taking the piss.

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Initially only the foil is being released, which is full Carbon and comes in two different mast lengths for either Downwind or Surf use. Expected pricing is AU$2200.00 which is roughly the same as if purchased direct from Alex (including freight & duty).

$2,200 carbon foil that's more like it.

In terms of foiling in kitesurfing it has been around for quite a while but it is only now starting to gain some real momentum and make a break into the mainstream world of kiting, with a kite the foil presents real and established advantages ( extreme efficiency in low winds) yet it is still rare to see foils out on the water with foil riders only making up a very small percentage.

I think it will be quite some time before the advantages of foils with sups are established enough that people are going to want to invest the money and we see any real numbers out on foils. I can't imagine sup foilers tearing through the lineup will ever be a real issue.

One big disadvantage with sup foiling as opposed to kite foiling is with the power of the kite you could stay up on the foil at all times and navigate shallower waters ( if all goes to plan) with a sup you would only be up on the foil when your powered by the wave, as soon as the wave stops you would drop back down and need deep water to be able to paddle ( you would be doing some serious wading) surf foiling on a sup would only really be possible at deep water Bombies or shoaling barely breaking waves, I would say 90% of the surf breaks would be safe. If they could really make foiling work for downwinding or even a foil that can get up and stay up under paddle power we would really be onto something.

I personally am planning to get into kite foiling in the next year or so but this could be a dangerous time ( for a self employed person) because if sub 10 knot conditions become legit fun I may never get any work done again

There are two things that make kitefoiling attractive now.

The first is the availability of cheap alloy foils which meant you could buy a full kit for under AUD$2000. You didn't have to punt $4000 on something that you might not like or might not be able to do. The second hand market wasn't much help. You could buy cheap but there was always the suspicion that people were selling their old failures.

The second, which comes out of the first, is that we could see guys getting up and riding and having fun. We could believe that it is doable and that we could learn to do it.

The same thing has to happen for SUP foils. It has to be cheap enough to be worth the risk, and you have to see people doing it so that you can see that it will be fun.

Sometimes you just need to look at a different foil configuration...

Or DIY.....??

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/DIY-hydrofoil-with-rubbish-and-an-angle-grinder/?SearchTerms=DIY

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steve p said..
Or DIY.....??

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/DIY-hydrofoil-with-rubbish-and-an-angle-grinder/?SearchTerms=DIY

He could get a job designing Naish's foils...

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Gorgo said...
There are two things that make kitefoiling attractive now.

The first is the availability of cheap alloy foils which meant you could buy a full kit for under AUD$2000. You didn't have to punt $4000 on something that you might not like or might not be able to do. The second hand market wasn't much help.

That is exactly why I am waiting a year or so then I will be able to start out on a secondhand alloy foil for under a grand!
Man I'm such a tightarse