Colas said :- Welcome to the strapped club! ;-)

Cool your jets there Colas far from joining the club but will give it a decent crack.... I rode the board strapless first 2 sessions and loved it but have to say just having only the front foot strap the pump was way better , but blew a heap of step take off's scratching for the strap placement with my feet. So still not sold on it yet.

Stev0 said:- Is that a step-tail on the Kalama? That would make sense on a foil board as a step-tail gives a longer planing flat and extra volume to get going and keep going from a touch down.

Yeah mate serious bottom step , must be so hard to make . The hydrodynamics of the flat rocker and nose lift with accelerated pulled in tail & tail kick is the killer. It's not just to get you up on the foil but you can drop down onto the board and push back off the lip or bottom turn without that sticking of wide flat boards.

Board looks great with a nice lot of volume in the rails to give you all the stability you need.

I have been trying the bungee set up too but with not much luck I ordered some surgical tube bungee which is normally amazing compared to the other stuff but it turned out to be another Chinese let down and was a pos luckily I got a refund. I have just been contemplating what stuff to get next and if to go 3 strands of 10 or 12mm or 2 strands of 14., I noticed the horue uses 3 of something. Its amazing how much drag you get when the bungee is in the water and it just zaps all its power.

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Piros said..
Cool your jets there Colas far from joining the club but will give it a decent crack.... I rode the board strapless first 2 sessions and loved it but have to say just having only the front foot strap the pump was way better , but blew a heap of step take off's scratching for the strap placement with my feet. So still not sold on it yet.

Please note I have added a smiley :-)

The next step is to place your straps so that you have the front foot in a proper position for paddling for takeoff. You cannot get away with having two different front foot position for paddling and flying, as when strapless. The back foot does not really matter, it is easy to move it around.

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Piros said..
Loving the new GoFoils and been doing some tow in's on the Lift 110 & 150 . Seen a lot of sharks this week on the Gold Coast so all stickered up with Shark Deterrent stickers . These things work, they are not a gimmick. Check them them out here:-
www.sharkeyes.com.au/

Piros what size are the new go foils? there is still no info on there site and what else I can find all seams to conflict each other?

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charlieuk said..
Board looks great with a nice lot of volume in the rails to give you all the stability you need

I was thinking the same thing. This is not really anything like the Takuma. Way more like a modified performance SUP surf shape as far as template.

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Piros said..
Colas said :- Welcome to the strapped club! ;-)

Cool your jets there Colas far from joining the club but will give it a decent crack.... I rode the board strapless first 2 sessions and loved it but have to say just having only the front foot strap the pump was way better , but blew a heap of step take off's scratching for the strap placement with my feet. So still not sold on it yet.

Stev0 said:- Is that a step-tail on the Kalama? That would make sense on a foil board as a step-tail gives a longer planing flat and extra volume to get going and keep going from a touch down.

Yeah mate serious bottom step , must be so hard to make . The hydrodynamics of the flat rocker and nose lift with accelerated pulled in tail & tail kick is the killer. It's not just to get you up on the foil but you can drop down onto the board and push back off the lip or bottom turn without that sticking of wide flat boards.

That is an impressive board Rob. Uourbingee video is great too. What a workout and you'll be sub 80kgs soon.
I also want to say thanks for your constant input and advice and pm responses when I stalked you too. Cheers mate.

Cheers boys always happy to help , GF sizes are Kai 120 , IWA 160 then the 200 which is on the Kalama board then the 280 which is super huge.

Big swell running this weekend could'nt get my feet right with the straps and took them off . Just stuck a pad on top of the grip and left the holes open for straps again later. With this punchy swell I needed to move my feet for more control on the foil for take off.

For those that want fit straps mounts these pics show where to put them , the strap mounts are offset to keep your foot on the stringer line . This is for a natural stance .

The Spitfire Sup foil ready for production. Next level is here.

Nice Zeeko kite foil

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Piros said..
Big swell running this weekend could'nt get my feet right with the straps and took them off . Just stuck a pad on top of the grip and left the holes open for straps again later. With this punchy swell I needed to move my feet for more control on the foil for take off.

That board is set up for Regular Stance. Did you order it that way, or just drill out the holes that way.

Yeah ordered that way

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RAL INN said..
The Spitfire Sup foil ready for production. Next level is here.

Will be really interesting to get some first hand reports and see videos of it in action. I've been following these in the kitefoil world for a while. A few people really love them, but it hasn't caught on as widely as I thought it might.

For SUP or SurfFoil, if the canard works as described, it should offer some advantages: 1) with both wings lifting, can either get more lift out of given size wing, or same lift with smaller wing. 2) turning pressure is more off back foot, more like carving a surfboard. 3) tendency on breaches is to lose lift and fall back, rather than breach forward and out, which may help reduce wipeouts. All great things, who wouldn't want that -- so maybe it'll revolutionize how things are done? Or maybe not ... proof will be in the performance.

I have a plan to get another sheet of g10 and carve out a large canard wing (12"x24"), experiment with it on my own -- but first need to get competent on "normal" supfoil to be able to judge if it works (and that's been a challenge with no surf for a month and counting). Hearing others' experiences first will be a great help as to whether to try or not.

The Sup/surf Spitfire project is about bringing the same attributes that make the kitefoil Spitfire an experience of its own, to a wider user base.
Back foot turning bias.
warning of breaches.
softer flatter landing if breaching and even recovering before touchdown.
best of all is nothing hanging out back to Attack your shins.

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RAL INN p/surf Spitfire project is about bringing the same attributes that make the kitefoil Spitfire an experience of its own, to a wider user base.
Back foot turning bias.
warning of breaches.
softer flatter landing if breaching and even recovering before touchdown.
best of all is nothing hanging out back to Attack your shins.

Wings look relatively tiny. Do you know the surface area?

No but bigger than XLW.
XXLW.
The interesting thing is that going up in wing size meant using the Windfoil mount plate to support the higher loads.
this has been a trend of Zeeko, to hold back and actually test the long term strength of products. To find out what are the weak points and deweakafie them.

i see so many companies just throwing on bigger and bigger wings to satisfy a market without a thought that their original components were not exactly high end engineered to start with when used as a lowish lift kitefoil.

I have heard tales of mast bending and mounts failing with the new extra large wings. As you say, parts not designed to withstand the additional forces. But haven't really seen first hand reports to verify the tales.

We used the smaller Ke Nalu Iwa 580 foil wing towing into some big rollers on a big, glassy swell day on Oahu's North Shore. The foil felt great, very balanced. The smaller wing size was good at the higher speeds of these fast moving waves. A longer mast would have helped, the foil breached easily and we had a lot of high speed wipeouts, that's why we are not doing a lot of turns, just going straight and and trimming the foil took full concentration and focus. We started feeling a bit more comfortable towards the end of the session, here is a gopro video of some of our better rides.

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juandesooka said..
I have heard tales of mast bending and mounts failing with the new extra large wings. As you say, parts not designed to withstand the additional forces. But haven't really seen first hand reports to verify the tales.

Nicolas first used a Carbon foil with carver wing to try windfoiling.
he very quickly decided that the mast mount area needed reinforcements
and switched to Alloy then a beefed up mount plate.
the Zeeko carbon and Alloy foils are already industry best strength yet he believed it needed better.
i don't see others doing this, so I wonder.

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blueplanetsurf said..
We used the smaller Ke Nalu Iwa 580 foil wing towing into some big rollers on a big, glassy swell day on Oahu's North Shore. The foil felt great, very balanced. The smaller wing size was good at the higher speeds of these fast moving waves. A longer mast would have helped, the foil breached easily and we had a lot of high speed wipeouts, that's why we are not doing a lot of turns, just going straight and and trimming the foil took full concentration and focus. We started feeling a bit more comfortable towards the end of the session, here is a gopro video of some of our better rides.

I'm sure I read that they will be releasing various mast length options and it looks like they might be needed.
It looked to me like you guys had some kind of extension/packing between the mast and board as it was? and you still looked very tentative getting it up and flying.

I haven't really tried Sup foiling yet except for for a couple of little goes on a mates, however I did borrow his Mololo set up and try it on my kite board.
The mast length is I think 55cm (maybe 60), which is roughly half the length of my KFA kitefoil mast.
See the photo of them both side by side.

For kiting, although some very short masts are used for learning, I think the generally used lengths start at around 70cm (free ride) and go up to 110cm+ for racing.
This is so they can be layed right over to go upwind without breaching.

So I am just wondering what people's thoughts are on what will be the generally accepted lengths for Sup masts and will that differ for surfing faster waves, slower fatter waves and downwinding?

Tightlines,

its looking like like there will be no standard mast length for SUP foiling

Dave Kalama likes the short mast. His son likes the long one. Alex aguera rode long mast when he was here.

Short mast is quicker reacting. Long mast pumps better.

Fyi, GoFoil has longer masts for team riders. Public release later in the year.

Or you can split the difference and simplify at 62cm

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blueplanetsurf said..
We used the smaller Ke Nalu Iwa 580 foil wing towing into some big rollers on a big, glassy swell day on Oahu's North Shore. The foil felt great, very balanced. The smaller wing size was good at the higher speeds of these fast moving waves. A longer mast would have helped, the foil breached easily and we had a lot of high speed wipeouts, that's why we are not doing a lot of turns, just going straight and and trimming the foil took full concentration and focus. We started feeling a bit more comfortable towards the end of the session, here is a gopro video of some of our better rides.

I'm sure I read that they will be releasing various mast length options and it looks like they might be needed.
It looked to me like you guys had some kind of extension/packing between the mast and board as it was? and you still looked very tentative getting it up and flying.

I haven't really tried Sup foiling yet except for for a couple of little goes on a mates, however I did borrow his Mololo set up and try it on my kite board.
The mast length is I think 55cm (maybe 60), which is roughly half the length of my KFA kitefoil mast.
See the photo of them both side by side.

For kiting, although some very short masts are used for learning, I think the generally used lengths start at around 70cm (free ride) and go up to 110cm+ for racing.
This is so they can be layed right over to go upwind without breaching.

So I am just wondering what people's thoughts are on what will be the generally accepted lengths for Sup masts and will that differ for surfing faster waves, slower fatter waves and downwinding?

We were using a Tuttle mount to plate mount adapter which adds about 3 inches to the mast length. A shorter mast makes it easier to learn as you can recover from breaches and wipeouts are not as dangerous. I have not tried mast lengths over 29" yet but it seems that a longer mast works well for higher speeds, carving turns and pumping. For our easy Foiler foils, the standard length is 26" (66 cm) and are also offering a 37.5" mast (95 cm) with high performance foiling in mind and a 20" (55 cm) mast for learning and shallow water use:
https://blueplanetsurf.com/news/easy-foiler-product-release-video/

Yep that sounds like a pretty good spread of mast lengths BPS.
That kite foil of mine is 112cm and yep its a longway down when it breaches (speaking from experience ) however having a kite holding you up a bit makes impact a bit less.
95cm on a SUP would make things interesting but there should be way less chance of breaching in the first place.
In my mind somewhere around 60 - 75cm is what most people are going to end up on, so out of the options you are offering I would be going the 66cm for sure.

Finally finished, well happy with it.
7'6" X 30" X 4.5"
Just got to correct my padding tech for the shorter board.
The foil is plywood covered with carbon.
We will see what happens.
Cheers
Steve

Another new board for me diy style of course 6'10 x 27 feels supper nimble and stable, got the first quick session on it yesterday in some micro surf and I am super stoked with it :) vid clip is its first wave



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Looks good Charlie!! Nice board.

That is bloody awesome and the foil is working so well. Is that the big wing you made ? I was only talking about sinking the deck at the feet to the boys this week and boom your board pops up. Great design well done looks sweet. Also today refitted my front strap and put a kick pad on same as yours will try in the morning.

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Piros said..
That is bloody awesome and the foil is working so well. Is that the big wing you made ? I was only talking about sinking the deck at the feet to the boys this week and boom your board pops up. Great design well done looks sweet. Also today refitted my front strap and put a kick pad on same as yours will try in the morning.

I have the rear pad on Velcro so I can play with were I have it depending on the mast setting and wing setup.

I have a hole stack of wings now but my go to for small stuff is the 1600sqmm wing I call it my large but go right up to 2600 which is my XXL. this is actually mk2 of the drop deck and mk3 is waiting to be cut but that is more of a dw shape. There is a hole stack of things going on with this design and uses a few different principals form other areas but it seams to be working well.

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Piros said..
That is bloody awesome and the foil is working so well. Is that the big wing you made ? I was only talking about sinking the deck at the feet to the boys this week and boom your board pops up. Great design well done looks sweet. Also today refitted my front strap and put a kick pad on same as yours will try in the morning.

I have the rear pad on Velcro so I can play with were I have it depending on the mast setting and wing setup.

I have a hole stack of wings now but my go to for small stuff is the 1600sqmm wing I call it my large but go right up to 2600 which is my XXL. this is actually mk2 of the drop deck and mk3 is waiting to be cut but that is more of a dw shape. There is a hole stack of things going on with this design and uses a few different principals form other areas but it seams to be working well.

Hi Charlie great vid n build.
Do you have a pic of your go to front wing?
Cheers
Steve

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charlieuk said..

Piros said..
That is bloody awesome and the foil is working so well. Is that the big wing you made ? I was only talking about sinking the deck at the feet to the boys this week and boom your board pops up. Great design well done looks sweet. Also today refitted my front strap and put a kick pad on same as yours will try in the morning.

I have the rear pad on Velcro so I can play with were I have it depending on the mast setting and wing setup.

I have a hole stack of wings now but my go to for small stuff is the 1600sqmm wing I call it my large but go right up to 2600 which is my XXL. this is actually mk2 of the drop deck and mk3 is waiting to be cut but that is more of a dw shape. There is a hole stack of things going on with this design and uses a few different principals form other areas but it seams to be working well.

Hi Charlie great vid n build.
Do you have a pic of your go to front wing?
Cheers
Steve

Think this is my current one