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Camarillo said..
A Spanish guy showed up on my home beach a few days ago, it was completely , 100% flat and no wind , glassy.

He took his Axis 6'0 board with with an Axis s102 wing and paddled his board into flying at least 10 times....

I had a go on his setup but no chance

But a foil that is easy to get flying in the smallest wave is what I am looking for...and the new Gofoils, the new Axis foils and the Signature Foils seem to be to small for me to do that, and the Gofoil M200 and M280 to draggy ??

The Axis S102 or perhaps the upcoming Neil Pryde XL seem to be the best choice for that to me
My NP Large wing is supposed to be 1612 cm^2 , 1484,7 projected area could be right?

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit?usp=sharing

I am looking for a new wing as well. And want to make it as easy as possible to get going on small waves. Someone mentioned that Armstrong is to come out with a new wing?
Anyway the most cost effective would to get the NP XL wing. But I think in a few months there will be a few good choices
Soon to trade one kidney for the holy grail of getting up on the wing in flat conditions!

Axis 102, super easy to lift.

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frenchfoiler said..
Axis 102, super easy to lift.

I am considering getting one, but they are expensive in Europe.
All the other big foils I tried (Gofoil M280 and Gong XXL) are much draggier and harder to speed up paddling.
I also like being able to choose from different mast lengths and a very stiff mast is also a must for me.

Any feedback about the 1000 Axis for dw ?

Any comparison between GL180/210/240 vs Axis 900/1000 ?

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Filow said..
Look at the new Naish too

New for 2020 - all new shapes, sizes and Stabs.

- 1050
- 1250
- 1650
- 2000
- 2450

And soon to be released the HA line.
- 1400
- 1800

The 1050 and 1250 are very similar in dims to the M & L, just a little more powerful and smoother.

The 1650 is a beast. Total new feel and very adaptable with the stab.

The 2000 is where DW really starts. On an amazing day you could DW the 1650, but really the 2000 is un real in epic conditions. and it surf's surprisingly well. Excellent for pumping.

The 2450 is a DW beast. This monster will glide fully primed at amazingly slow speeds. If you don;t want to come off the foil on a DW run, then this is the wing. Low speeds around 11-12km/h and peaks 25+km/h. I find it my go to for nearly all conditions for DW.

The HA line are going to spice things up quite a bit for the more advanced rider. Faster and punchier while at the same time more responsive, the HA wings are tricky at first, but a weapon once you've got your head around it. The 1800 has the speed (or faster) of the 1650 with the lift (if not more) of the 2000. They are a little twitchier than the std JET line, so positioning and input are important. But for an advanced rider = epic.

I still think in majority of "real world" DW runs, the 2450 will be the go to wing = realistic and fun!

Regrds,

JB

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frenchfoiler said..

anders884 said..

Camarillo said..
A Spanish guy showed up on my home beach a few days ago, it was completely , 100% flat and no wind , glassy.

He took his Axis 6'0 board with with an Axis s102 wing and paddled his board into flying at least 10 times....

I had a go on his setup but no chance

But a foil that is easy to get flying in the smallest wave is what I am looking for...and the new Gofoils, the new Axis foils and the Signature Foils seem to be to small for me to do that, and the Gofoil M200 and M280 to draggy ??

The Axis S102 or perhaps the upcoming Neil Pryde XL seem to be the best choice for that to me
My NP Large wing is supposed to be 1612 cm^2 , 1484,7 projected area could be right?

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit?usp=sharing

I am looking for a new wing as well. And want to make it as easy as possible to get going on small waves. Someone mentioned that Armstrong is to come out with a new wing?
Anyway the most cost effective would to get the NP XL wing. But I think in a few months there will be a few good choices
Soon to trade one kidney for the holy grail of getting up on the wing in flat conditions!

Axis 102, super easy to lift.

Axis 102, super easy to lift.

Yer Frenchfoiler that depends on your weight, ability and the conditions.

The 102 is also faster than the go foil 280 but doesnt have nearly as much low end lift.

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Any feedback about the 1000 Axis for dw ?

Any comparison between GL180/210/240 vs Axis 900/1000 ?

The 1000 Axis is a fast downwind wing. It is hard to get going but once up it has heaps of glide and pump, you still need to be a gun or lucky to get it going in downwind conditions 18/23 knots. It is a little easier then the 900 axis but not by much.

Lateley I've tried some foil in DW, Gong xxl and Takuma 1900 Alu. Compared to Axis those alu mast are way too flexy which make those hard to control but maybe you can get usedd to it ? The wings are heavier also.

The Axis fuselage seems to me way more advanced (everything fits, super smooth, super tight).

Just saying this to show that there is alu and alu. For the overall weight, I guess it has a lot to do with the weight of the wings.

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frenchfoiler said..
Lateley I've tried some foil in DW, Gong xxl and Takuma 1900 Alu. Compared to Axis those alu mast are way too flexy which make those hard to control but maybe you can get usedd to it ? The wings are heavier also.

The Axis fuselage seems to me way more advanced (everything fits, super smooth, super tight).

Just saying this to show that there is alu and alu. For the overall weight, I guess it has a lot to do with the weight of the wings.

You gonna try the new "pro" gong wings Frenchfoiler? How'd you like the Takuma LoL? Seems to be pretty well liked, but kind of fragile.

Frenchfoiler; How you find the Takuma LOL 1900 compared to the axis 102 in terms of lift off? easier, the same or harder?
I hear the new Takuma carbon mast is much stiffer.
Yes the axis is nice and stiff for alu. So is the Go foil 29.5. If you light enough the axis 1000 may work for you? Be too small for me in a DW but I am 90kg.
Hope to try the GL240 on the weekend but not much wind forecast. I will share my thought if I try it.

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Frenchfoiler; How you find the Takuma LOL 1900 compared to the axis 102 in terms of lift off? easier, the same or harder?
I hear the new Takuma carbon mast is much stiffer.
Yes the axis is nice and stiff for alu. So is the Go foil 29.5. If you light enough the axis 1000 may work for you? Be too small for me in a DW but I am 90kg.
Hope to try the GL240 on the weekend but not much wind forecast. I will share my thought if I try it.

Hard to say as I didn't try much the Takuma, I coudn't control the foil (and my friend wasn't comfortable either on my Axis 102 so I guess you need to get used to it). The guy who was riding with me was really fast on his Takuma, faster than me I think.
I really like a stiffer mast.
I should get the 1000 soon. I already use the 900 for surfing both on my sup 5'9 and my surf 4'3. I really like it because the lift is easy to control (even on my 4'3 on steeper wave), it has amazing speed and it turns really good.

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frenchfoiler said..
Lateley I've tried some foil in DW, Gong xxl and Takuma 1900 Alu. Compared to Axis those alu mast are way too flexy which make those hard to control but maybe you can get usedd to it ? The wings are heavier also.

The Axis fuselage seems to me way more advanced (everything fits, super smooth, super tight).

Just saying this to show that there is alu and alu. For the overall weight, I guess it has a lot to do with the weight of the wings.

You gonna try the new "pro" gong wings Frenchfoiler? How'd you like the Takuma LoL? Seems to be pretty well liked, but kind of fragile.

I don't think I will try the pro gong soon.
As I said I didn't try enought the Takuma, just that it was so different than the Axis or Gofoil that it was hard for me.

Here is a vid of a mate riding the 1900 Takuma m.facebook.com/onesupaustralia/videos/713355702460448/?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fstory.php&_rdr

He was using all Gofoil gear before this and the improvement in his own winding and turning in the bumps since changing has been massive. He is 90kg and this is the carbon mast. definitely more flex in the Takuma gear over the axis or foil but is it a bad thing? I go back and ride an axis set up now I really struggle for a while as it all feels to stiff. It took Steveo one downwind run to get used to it and now he never notices anything so my feeling is you just have to get used to what you are riding.

We have been doing a sight load of downwinding over the last two weeks and seen most of the new foils on the water. Speed-wise nothing is blowing anything else away besides a few custom wings that no one else can get but the production stuff is all really close.

Axis has a nice alloy set up and is nice and stiff, Takuma have what I think is the best all-round wings and a nice clean set up, their carbon mast is nice as well. I think these are the easiest if all the new wings on the market and speed-wise the 1600 is about the same as the 180GL. Gofoils new wings are good and they seem like good pumping wings, I did have a mate use the new 240 and he liked it over the older 200 but was not huge amounts faster on the run he did and did say it was a bit harder to get going.

As durability goes I am pretty rough on my gear and having rocks getting in and out of the water here in Hood River the takuma is holding up fine maybe hitting a reef might be different.

Speaking in general terms how do people feel about the high aspect wings for surfing and carving in comparison with the older generation of wings? Are they better at carving as they are faster and can carve harder?

You would think the lower aspect wings would be able to get tighter in the pocket and be more maneuverable but is this really the case?

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Youngbreezy said..
Speaking in general terms how do people feel about the high aspect wings for surfing and carving in comparison with the older generation of wings? Are they better at carving as they are faster and can carve harder?

You would think the lower aspect wings would be able to get tighter in the pocket and be more maneuverable but is this really the case?

Once again, there is hight aspect wing and hight aspect wing. GL and Signature are much flatter than Axis so it must feel different. The stab, the fuselage lenght, etc make big difference as well.

What I can say is the carving ability of the 900 Axis (short fuselage/400 stab with shim) is really good, especially the carving on the upcoming wave.

Looks like a carbone mast is coming.

www.facebook.com/thekitemaginternational/videos/489265838315751/UzpfSTM5ODg3NTQ5NjkxNjgwOToxNDE0NTg5NzQ4Njc4NzA3/

The big deal with a stiff mast is board stability. This is a HUGE deal for the older crowd. The older we get, the more balance we loose.

Once more people figure this out, you guys making foils with a mast that feels like a dogs tail wagging under the board, will be dead to us older guys!

Until you try a super stiff setup like Axis, you have no idea how much stability you are giving away.

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frenchfoiler said..

Scotty Mac said..
Frenchfoiler; How you find the Takuma LOL 1900 compared to the axis 102 in terms of lift off? easier, the same or harder?
I hear the new Takuma carbon mast is much stiffer.
Yes the axis is nice and stiff for alu. So is the Go foil 29.5. If you light enough the axis 1000 may work for you? Be too small for me in a DW but I am 90kg.
Hope to try the GL240 on the weekend but not much wind forecast. I will share my thought if I try it.

Hard to say as I didn't try much the Takuma, I coudn't control the foil (and my friend wasn't comfortable either on my Axis 102 so I guess you need to get used to it). The guy who was riding with me was really fast on his Takuma, faster than me I think.
I really like a stiffer mast.
I should get the 1000 soon. I already use the 900 for surfing both on my sup 5'9 and my surf 4'3. I really like it because the lift is easy to control (even on my 4'3 on steeper wave), it has amazing speed and it turns really good.

I have been riding the Axis foils for a year now and the 102 and 92 were my go to wings for downwinding. I recently got the new 1900 and 1600 Takuma Lol foils with the Alu mast. After a couple of downwind sessions I prefer the 1900 Lol over the 102. The Takuma has way more top end speed and carves really well. You seem to do less pumping on the 1900 as it has more glide. Only thing i noticed is the 102 seems slightly more stable but i prefer to go faster. I have ordered the carbon mast which should stiffen things up and give it more top end speed also.

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DWF said..
The big deal with a stiff mast is board stability. This is a HUGE deal for the older crowd. The older we get, the more balance we loose.

Once more people figure this out, you guys making foils with a mast that feels like a dogs tail wagging under the board, will be dead to us older guys!

Until you try a super stiff setup like Axis, you have no idea how much stability you are giving away.

But you loose on the wave. My Armstrong is less stiff than the Axis I had before but the wave riding is a quantum leap forward. I think the last thing you need is stability with sup foils with the massive keel you have below you. As Paul.J said you get used to it. I like the twang now. I probably fit your older crowd demographic being 56.

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p north, Youngbreezy said..
Speaking in general terms how do people feel about the high aspect wings for surfing and carving in comparison with the older generation of wings? Are they better at carving as they are faster and can carve harder?

You would think the lower aspect wings would be able to get tighter in the pocket and be more maneuverable but is this really the case?

From what I have seen watching beno up north, foiltheworld and larryfoiler I think the HA wings give massive benefits in terms of glide and pumping but at the cost of maneuverability on the waves. Jacko on the old GoFoil shape was ripping so good yesterday really tight and vertical including airs. Larryfoiler was out too and was doing nice carving turns but not in the same league as Jacko's. Was a magic day.

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hilly said..

p north, Youngbreezy said..
Speaking in general terms how do people feel about the high aspect wings for surfing and carving in comparison with the older generation of wings? Are they better at carving as they are faster and can carve harder?

You would think the lower aspect wings would be able to get tighter in the pocket and be more maneuverable but is this really the case?

From what I have seen watching beno up north, foiltheworld and larryfoiler I think the HA wings give massive benefits in terms of glide and pumping but at the cost of maneuverability on the waves. Jacko on the old GoFoil shape was ripping so good yesterday really tight and vertical including airs. Larryfoiler was out too and was doing nice carving turns but not in the same league as Jacko's. Was a magic day.

But Jacko is a freak, I reckon he would rip on any foil.
The HA wings turn fine in the right hands.

BTW that is the WA Jacko we are talking about.

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tightlines said..
The HA wings turn fine in the right hands.

Not as well as a mid aspect foil

First ride of the GL240. Tested in 15 to 20 knots downwind. I am coming off the 280. Wow completely different feel. Less drag, less lift and super sensitive. Had some good glides but it was a bit like learning again. Up and down like a yo yo. It definitely faster and you can run over the top if bumps but it also found me out a many times when I tried to go too slow. Never thought I hit top speed so can't wait for the next wind and some more bumps and work this beast out a bit more!

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Scotty Mac said..
First ride of the GL240. Tested in 15 to 20 knots downwind. I am coming off the 280. Wow completely different feel. Less drag, less lift and super sensitive. Had some good glides but it was a bit like learning again. Up and down like a yo yo. It definitely faster and you can run over the top if bumps but it also found me out a many times when I tried to go too slow. Never thought I hit top speed so can't wait for the next wind and some more bumps and work this beast out a bit more!

Maybe it would work better with the flat back wing, no ?

Can you make pictures of the Maliko 280 with the GL 240 side by side ?

Hi Filow, I don't have a 280 wing to show you comparison photo.

Yes frenchfoiler, I will test the new tail wing, just waiting for the pestal part to arrive.

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DWF said..
The big deal with a stiff mast is board stability. This is a HUGE deal for the older crowd. The older we get, the more balance we loose.

Once more people figure this out, you guys making foils with a mast that feels like a dogs tail wagging under the board, will be dead to us older guys!

Until you try a super stiff setup like Axis, you have no idea how much stability you are giving away.

But you loose on the wave. My Armstrong is less stiff than the Axis I had before but the wave riding is a quantum leap forward. I think the last thing you need is stability with sup foils with the massive keel you have below you. As Paul.J said you get used to it. I like the twang now. I probably fit your older crowd demographic being 56.

Thanks for the reply ( and french foiler)

That makes sense with what I would expect. I am miles off being able to put either through its paces but good to know

As my main interest was/is downwinding, I originally bought the 200 and 280 Go Foil wings and 24.5 mast, I weigh approx 90kg and am in my late 50's.
I just caught the tail end of our downwind season and was only just managing some short downwind glides, whilst the 200 wasn't bad the mast flex with the 280 was giving me the ****s.
As it is winter here in Perth ATM (no wind) I have mainly been surfing and found the 200 had too much lift for bigger faster waves so was at the stage where I was considering a smaller wing such as an IWA and the longer stiffer mast.

However I decided to go down a different path and bought an Axis kit with the 900 front and 400 tail wings and have since added 102 (downwinding) and 68 (kiting) wings.

I love the stiffer mast and fast HA 900 wing and find it hard to go back to the go foil set up, however I am sure it would be fine with the IWA or the new GL wings, it is only the 280 (which is a huge wing) that really makes the mast flex.

Whilst I love the 900 in the surf I know it's not going to work for me for down winding so it will be interesting to see what happens when the wind kicks in.
I am hoping I will be fine on the 102 Axis but am not selling the Go Foil 200/280 set up until I see how I go.

The Takuma LOL sound great but I haven't got the funds for one of those, so will probably stick to the Axis for now but am keen to demo some GL go foil wings if I get the chance.

P.S. We had a nice warm day today here in Perth and I was out foil surfing till well after sunset, damn it is hard to foil in the dark, some big stacks were had.

Out of interest where do you foil in Perth ?

Second session downwinding with the GL240 and it did go a little better this time. Again 15 to 20 knots SSW. Had some lot longer glides and have more confidence in how it feels and turns. Hope to try the new rear tail wing next week and might pull out the GPS and see how much faster I am going. Seems like learning curve might be quicker than i originally thought. The super sensive feel seemed more normal and I have quickly adjeusted to the different feel on the HA wings.

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hilly said..
Out of interest where do you foil in Perth ?

99% of the time I am out in my boat at the outer reefs or Rottnest, so not really Perth as such.

This was from last night before I went out for my second session, I reckon you would know where.



There are quite a few spots along the reef that are not much good for surfing a normal board but are enough to launch you into a rolling swell.






Hey Scotty my first go surfing with Marcus's 1000 HA Axis felt like I was on a rollercoaster, I was over compensating and going up and down like crazy.
I had been using the 200GF for months so changing to the Axis HA with short fuselage and small tail wing was a big change.
It only took me a couple of goes when I got my 900 though before it just felt normal.