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Spark said..
What weights they coming in at?

Thanks Pohaku.

are they made in the same factory as the V1? Somewhere in Vietnam if I remember right.

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Spark said..

pohaku said..

Spark said..
What weights they coming in at?

Thanks Pohaku.

are they made in the same factory as the V1? Somewhere in Vietnam if I remember right.

Yep, kinetic factory in Vietnam. Dave's been
in that factory for a long time and we're really happy with the boards. The strength to weight ratio we have with our layup fusion creates super strong, light and responsive boards.

Kinetic built windsurf boards are all I buy now. The build is much better.
Possible exception for Quattro/Goya but I think they watch the Cobra workers like a hawk.

Full list of dims

what about for guys who want 8' x 21 x 125-130L?

24' wide is way too fat, will lose the > 90kg market IMO

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what about for guys who want 8' x 21 x 125-130L?

24' wide is way too fat, will lose the > 90kg market IMO

Suggest you try the 8'3. The stability is much more than you think due to the distribution of the volumr.

What volume ratio are you recommending to your clients 1.2-1.4 x body weight for non Maui/non Perth conditions?

The recent trend is going 30+ litres over body weight...must be small guys on Maui...

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What volume ratio are you recommending to your clients 1.2-1.4 x body weight for non Maui/non Perth conditions?

The recent trend is going 30+ litres over body weight...must be small guys on Maui...

I'll ask you these questions I ask all my customers then I'll suggest from there:
what do you weigh?

what foils do You ride?

where is your local run and what's the conditions usually?
what's your ability, be honest?
what's the current dimensions you ride and what brand ?
what are you hoping to achieve from the kalama?

Gonna just throw this out there, flame me if you want.

I think that 8'7 big cuda will be one of their best sellers. I think they could have made one 10-15L more, 6 inches longer and kept the width and sold the bejezus out of them. Especially for the bigger crowd, +90kg. Most people won't be riding in Maui conditions. Even if they dont DW them and just use them for SUP foiling. And IMO despite what you and Mr. Kalama say, I think a lot of people are afraid to drop that kind of money to figure out whether it is too small or not. I have seen plenty of conversations around the internet about that. Most people will not be able to demo any of these either. The Dave West Povvos video is one of the best out there demonstrating how much easier it was on a much longer and higher volume board. And then Beasho also talking about his 10foot board that catches anything and is stable in all conditions and both are having a blast doing it with the larger boards.

It has been mentioned in the past about copy-cudas and you cant blame others for making them because it seemed to me in the video that he doesn't care about selling a lot of them. Yet it is being hyped on here and in the video explaining why they are the best. Cool. I think a lot of people want to ride them since he has put the time and testing to perfect these but won't be able to get their hands on and will have to seek alternatives.

I am wondering if there's going to be some kind of buyer's guide to help us choose which board we want?

Dave explains at length in the video how the boards are very carefully designed for stability and speed and all the rest, and that simplistic measures like volume don't really give an indication of how the board will work in practice. There's lots of examples given in the video but they don't really make for a good shopping list.

I definitely want to go light wind winging in around 8-10 knots. Maybe give flat water paddle ups a go. Maybe SUP foil some ripples. Old man. Fit. 75kg. Decent skills.

I'm with you and I get turned off by all the hype ,but then no information about sizes and dims, It's the same routine as last time.

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kobo said..no information about sizes and dims, It's the same routine as last time.

in the other thread. Go long and pick your width.
I have paddled the V1 8 x 20 and my 100kg and average paddle skills after 2 years on a FoilDrive found it very stable for its width. Still hard work. Big Cuda for me if I was getting one.

These have just landed on Maui, Dave and the KP team will have information about the boards shortly. Also I might add that 95% of our sales are not through the website as a random order. Most people pick up the phone and call. Usually you are one of two sizes and previously with the current barracuda I have said to customers unfortunately we don't currently have a size for you. But now we do on this lot. If you are in Australia on the east coast there will be demos. West coast potentially. They are not due into Au till May.
feel free to call me 0411240542, happy to
answer all your questions

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These have just landed on Maui, Dave and the KP team will have information about the boards shortly. Also I might add that 95% of our sales are not through the website as a random order. Most people pick up the phone and call. Usually you are one of two sizes and previously with the current barracuda I have said to customers unfortunately we don't currently have a size for you. But now we do on this lot. If you are in Australia on the east coast there will be demos. West coast potentially. They are not due into Au till May.
feel free to call me 0411240542, happy to
answer all your questions

Send a couple over I can look after them for you

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Gorgo said..
I am wondering if there's going to be some kind of buyer's guide to help us choose which board we want?

Dave explains at length in the video how the boards are very carefully designed for stability and speed and all the rest, and that simplistic measures like volume don't really give an indication of how the board will work in practice. There's lots of examples given in the video but they don't really make for a good shopping list.

I definitely want to go light wind winging in around 8-10 knots. Maybe give flat water paddle ups a go. Maybe SUP foil some ripples. Old man. Fit. 75kg. Decent skills.

What dimensions do you currently ride? what foils are you running? SUP foil background? 75kg is a good weight for the 100L but depending on ability you may want to go up to the 110L mark.
quick example. recently a customer had a 7'6 x 23 - 137L of another brand that he was suggested to get. He's 72kg. Said it felt corky and slow over the water. All I had in my van was the 7'10 x 19.5 at 102L current barracuda. For he's weight that's the board I would recommend. He's ability at the moment is surfing the waves but not linking bumps. No success downwind yet. The day he went out was horrendous. I went out prone that day and was blown away to see him paddling into bumps and getting off the water super easy. He then said he couldn't believe how much faster and stable it was compared to his previous board. We have since had the conversation about progression and he's ordered a V2 8'8

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pohaku said..
These have just landed on Maui, Dave and the KP team will have information about the boards shortly. Also I might add that 95% of our sales are not through the website as a random order. Most people pick up the phone and call. Usually you are one of two sizes and previously with the current barracuda I have said to customers unfortunately we don't currently have a size for you. But now we do on this lot. If you are in Australia on the east coast there will be demos. West coast potentially. They are not due into Au till May.
feel free to call me 0411240542, happy to
answer all your questions

Send a couple over I can look after them for you

At least I know where you live!

Anyone have a photo of the bottom? I want to know where the tracks are. And are they long? And 8'12"! That's long..ly written!

Great information here. Looking for advice. 54 yrs, 2m, 100kg, intermediate WF looking to start DW. I own an AS 2023 135L 8'3" 21.5" for light wind winging. Great board just a bit too unstable in the waves with a paddle. I'm considering the BigCuda 8'7" 130 24" but also the new AS 140l 8'5" 21.75". Anyone have thoughts comparing those boards in terms of stability, speed in getting up on foil, responsiveness once up on foil? I'm concerned that the 24" BC would be like riding a barge once on foil and not have the paddle speed of the narrower AS. I must say, in the past, I tried wingfoiling an older Kalama E3 board (5'9" 22.5 90L) and it felt very slow on foil, not responsive and kind of like a barge compared to my other board with similar dimensions. I have never been on a Barracuda however. I'm basically looking for a board with the best balance of stability, speed and ease of getting up on foil given my size to start the DW process.

Great information here. Looking for advice. 54 yrs, 2m, 100kg, intermediate WF looking to start DW. I own an AS 2023 135L 8'3" 21.5" for light wind winging. Great board just a bit too unstable in the waves with a paddle. I'm considering the BigCuda 8'7" 130 24" but also the new AS 140l 8'5" 21.75". Anyone have thoughts comparing those boards in terms of stability, speed in getting up on foil, responsiveness once up on foil? I'm concerned that the 24" BC would be like riding a barge once on foil and not have the paddle speed of the narrower AS. I must say, in the past, I tried wingfoiling an older Kalama E3 board (5'9" 22.5 90L) and it felt very slow on foil, not responsive and kind of like a barge compared to my other board with similar dimensions. I have never been on a Barracuda however. I'm basically looking for a board with the best balance of stability, speed and ease of getting up on foil given my size to start the DW process.

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Great information here. Looking for advice. 54 yrs, 2m, 100kg, intermediate WF looking to start DW. I own an AS 2023 135L 8'3" 21.5" for light wind winging. Great board just a bit too unstable in the waves with a paddle. I'm considering the BigCuda 8'7" 130 24" but also the new AS 140l 8'5" 21.75". Anyone have thoughts comparing those boards in terms of stability, speed in getting up on foil, responsiveness once up on foil? I'm concerned that the 24" BC would be like riding a barge once on foil and not have the paddle speed of the narrower AS. I must say, in the past, I tried wingfoiling an older Kalama E3 board (5'9" 22.5 90L) and it felt very slow on foil, not responsive and kind of like a barge compared to my other board with similar dimensions. I have never been on a Barracuda however. I'm basically looking for a board with the best balance of stability, speed and ease of getting up on foil given my size to start the DW process.

Looking to start downwind with a wing or SUP? If SUP, what's your previous ability? I'd go the 8'7 if I were you. Try not to focus on the 24" wide as it's all proportional to the other dimensions and why it's in the big cuda category. If your winging you could drop to the 8'3

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Anyone have a photo of the bottom? I want to know where the tracks are. And are they long? And 8'12"! That's long..ly written!

Actually they got that wrong it's really 7'24"

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kobo said..no information about sizes and dims, It's the same routine as last time.

in the other thread. Go long and pick your width.
I have paddled the V1 8 x 20 and my 100kg and average paddle skills after 2 years on a FoilDrive found it very stable for its width. Still hard work. Big Cuda for me if I was getting one.

The volumes do seem weird, I'm 90kg and my current board is 8'x20" and 120ltrs my previous board was 7'x23" and again 120ltrs.

120ltrs seems about the right volume for me and matches the commonly used formula of 30ltrs above your weight. I was considering going longer and skinnier again but keeping around the same volume but the only thing in the Kalama range 120 ltrs or above is 8'7"x24 130ltrs and I certainly don't want to go that wide, so with the available options I would end up going the 8'10" x 18.5 at only 113ltrs, which may work but I won't be taking the risk.

Maybe Mr kalama just doesn't care about the big guy segment > 90kgs which is weird as from the first picture he looks like a big unit now.

I guess it's not too late for him to address this segment of the market, and make sizes that people want and aren't crazy long. I'm on the GC and TBH I haven't seen one v1 cuda, maybe they are too expensive or the sizes/foil boxes weren't right.

In my experience, long skinny boards with pin tails need more volume, not less, that's why everyone (all the youtubers) are saying go 30-40L above your body weight, and boards are all thick now to accommodate this, or you go crazy long which makes them less maneuverable in other foil disciplines than down winding and therefore less appealing.

Do they come with board bags now? One would hope so for the price point.

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hilly said..

kobo said..no information about sizes and dims, It's the same routine as last time.

in the other thread. Go long and pick your width.
I have paddled the V1 8 x 20 and my 100kg and average paddle skills after 2 years on a FoilDrive found it very stable for its width. Still hard work. Big Cuda for me if I was getting one.

that 8

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hilly said..

kobo said..no information about sizes and dims, It's the same routine as last time.

in the other thread. Go long and pick your width.
I have paddled the V1 8 x 20 and my 100kg and average paddle skills after 2 years on a FoilDrive found it very stable for its width. Still hard work. Big Cuda for me if I was getting one.

'2 look

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hilly said..

kobo said..no information about sizes and dims, It's the same routine as last time.

in the other thread. Go long and pick your width.
I have paddled the V1 8 x 20 and my 100kg and average paddle skills after 2 years on a FoilDrive found it very stable for its width. Still hard work. Big Cuda for me if I was getting one.

that 8'2 looks bang on the money.

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Maybe Mr kalama just doesn't care about the big guy segment > 90kgs which is weird as from the first picture he looks like a big unit now.

I guess it's not too late for him to address this segment of the market, and make sizes that people want and aren't crazy long. I'm on the GC and TBH I haven't seen one v1 cuda, maybe they are too expensive or the sizes/foil boxes weren't right.

In my experience, long skinny boards with pin tails need more volume, not less, that's why everyone (all the youtubers) are saying go 30-40L above your body weight, and boards are all thick now to accommodate this, or you go crazy long which makes them less maneuverable in other foil disciplines than down winding and therefore less appealing.

Do they come with board bags now? One would hope so for the price point.

Are they the same youtubers that said long and skiny won't work?

All these youtubers and even some of the pros seem to be contradicting each other with opinions on width, length, volume, hull shape, Planning vs Displacement, paddle length, mast length. What a confusing space with each metric there is a long list of compromises and advantages.

The one thing I have learnt is that it takes a lot of practice to be able to stand up and be balanced in the bumps enough to paddle with power and excess volume is not a short cut is my conclusion.

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noepoxy said..
Maybe Mr kalama just doesn't care about the big guy segment > 90kgs which is weird as from the first picture he looks like a big unit now.

I guess it's not too late for him to address this segment of the market, and make sizes that people want and aren't crazy long. I'm on the GC and TBH I haven't seen one v1 cuda, maybe they are too expensive or the sizes/foil boxes weren't right.

In my experience, long skinny boards with pin tails need more volume, not less, that's why everyone (all the youtubers) are saying go 30-40L above your body weight, and boards are all thick now to accommodate this, or you go crazy long which makes them less maneuverable in other foil disciplines than down winding and therefore less appealing.

Do they come with board bags now? One would hope so for the price point.

Are they the same youtubers that said long and skiny won't work?

All these youtubers and even some of the pros seem to be contradicting each other with opinions on width, length, volume, hull shape, Planning vs Displacement, paddle length, mast length. What a confusing space with each metric there is a long list of compromises and advantages.

The one thing I have learnt is that it takes a lot of practice to be able to stand up and be balanced in the bumps enough to paddle with power and excess volume is not a short cut is my conclusion.

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noepoxy said..
Maybe Mr kalama just doesn't care about the big guy segment > 90kgs which is weird as from the first picture he looks like a big unit now.

I guess it's not too late for him to address this segment of the market, and make sizes that people want and aren't crazy long. I'm on the GC and TBH I haven't seen one v1 cuda, maybe they are too expensive or the sizes/foil boxes weren't right.

In my experience, long skinny boards with pin tails need more volume, not less, that's why everyone (all the youtubers) are saying go 30-40L above your body weight, and boards are all thick now to accommodate this, or you go crazy long which makes them less maneuverable in other foil disciplines than down winding and therefore less appealing.

Do they come with board bags now? One would hope so for the price point.

Are they the same youtubers that said long and skiny won't work?

All these youtubers and even some of the pros seem to be contradicting each other with opinions on width, length, volume, hull shape, Planning vs Displacement, paddle length, mast length. What a confusing space with each metric there is a long list of compromises and advantages.

The one thing I have learnt is that it takes a lot of practice to be able to stand up and be balanced in the bumps enough to paddle with power and excess volume is not a short cut is my conclusion.