Anybody take a run at the Axis 1000?

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martyman said..
Anybody take a run at the Axis 1000?

They do not fit on an Armstrong mast
I know some guys who have used the 1000 - huge pumping wing, good downwinding, hard to turn, rubbish on waves. I hope the 1850 is not just a pumping wing.
Looks way different to the 1550

Saw a guy riding one in the water. It pumps really well obviously. He said it turns suprisingly good for a big wing. Didn't seem to be holding him back prone surfing.

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Hdip said..
Saw a guy riding one in the water. It pumps really well obviously. He said it turns suprisingly good for a big wing. Didn't seem to be holding him back prone surfing.

Maybe start a thread on them then

V the 1550





Tight fit might need some sandpaper

I need some advice.

I kite foil with the 800, 1200 and recently the 1050/232. I've just decided to start SUP foil and winging for wave riding bought a 126 ltr board and 5m Echo to start and will add a smaller wing board later.

I'm 88kg do you think this new 1850 is a better option for SUPfoil and winging that the 1550 baring in mind I have the 1200 or 1050 for strong wind and bigger waves?

i don't want to buy both.

Thanks

Interesting Hilly , it looks a lot more HA compared to the 1550, thanks for the pics gives a good idea of the difference.
hurry up and use it it now and let us know how it goes.

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KB7 said..
I need some advice.

I kite foil with the 800, 1200 and recently the 1050/232. I've just decided to start SUP foil and winging for wave riding bought a 126 ltr board and 5m Echo to start and will add a smaller wing board later.

I'm 88kg do you think this new 1850 is a better option for SUPfoil and winging that the 1550 baring in mind I have the 1200 or 1050 for strong wind and bigger waves?

i don't want to buy both.

Thanks

At a guess yes. I hope to get out tomorrow to try the light wind capability. Looking at the 1850 I doubt I will sup foil it much, the 1550 is big enough and a really good shape. This will be my go to wingding foil.it passed the landcruiser test. Stoked it just fits in the back.

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KB7 said..
I need some advice.

I kite foil with the 800, 1200 and recently the 1050/232. I've just decided to start SUP foil and winging for wave riding bought a 126 ltr board and 5m Echo to start and will add a smaller wing board later.

I'm 88kg do you think this new 1850 is a better option for SUPfoil and winging that the 1550 baring in mind I have the 1200 or 1050 for strong wind and bigger waves?

i don't want to buy both.

Thanks

I'm 84 kgs with a 125 ltr sup and 4 m wasp with the 1550 I can get going in 15 kns .I guess the 1850 would be better than that , wait for Hilly to report.

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kobo said..wait for Hilly to report.

Hopefully tomorrow

I have had several sessions winging with my 1850/232/0 and I don't anticipate using any of my other foils unless the waves get pretty big. First, I don't think you lose any low end vs the 2400 (less resistance so board accelerates faster on the surface and it takes much less effort to pump up onto foil). The 1850 can go super slow if you need that for your transitions but also is plenty fast and glides/pumps very well. The biggest surprise for me was agility in roll axis for such a wide wing. It threw me off a few times till I got used to it. Amazing all around foil for winging.

I had my first go winging the 1850 yesterday and put together this (boring) clip together to document it. Also had my first run with a 6M BRM W1. Wind was 8-12mph. Make sure you listen to the song lyrics.

I have been winging the 1850 for quite a few hours already. I have been winging the 1550 A LOT. I have supfoiled the 1550 too.

I would say the 1850 for your weight will be your go to foil for winging. I weigh 81kg and it is perfect. It turns great, pops up on foil very easy and speed/drag is really good. I would say for sup foil in small waves it would be good too. However, I agree with Hilly, the 1550 does that job perfectly. I would also continue with the 1550 for supfoil. For wingfoiling I am in between. For downwinding I now use the 1850. More glide and less effort to keep going. For flat water I take the 1550 (but I could also easily take the 1850). Landing jumps with smaller wings is just a little bit easier (at least in my mind).

For your weight the 1200 and 1050 will need a lot of wind for winging. I have been using both for winging too. They are amazing, don't get me wrong, but it will require more speed to get going. Especially during transitions it will be a lot harder to stay on the foil. The 1850 will excel there. In bigger waves the 1200 is supable as well.

Hope this helps...

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hilly said..
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Tight fit might need some sandpaper

HIlly, did you end up sanding down the inside of the 1850 to get it on? Same issue that my friend had. He didnt sand it and was going to contact Armstrong. Was surprised about the fit.

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fatfish96 said..

hilly said..
V the 1550





Tight fit might need some sandpaper

HIlly, did you end up sanding down the inside of the 1850 to get it on? Same issue that my friend had. He didnt sand it and was going to contact Armstrong. Was surprised about the fit.

I filed the inside of my 1850 wing to allow a perfect mate with the fuse. There was a full inch gap left at first when trying to fit it on the fuse. I previously had to file down my 85M female connection to allow the fuse to fit.

The fix is extremely easy and I didn't bother contacting armstrong. I prefer it to be a bit snug on shipment and allow me to perfect the fit to my fuse. Here's the method:

Tools required:

paint marker or similar
metal file - 15mm taper to 10mm size is perfect

Step 1: Use marker to mark up the fuselage in uniform manor

Step 2: Shove the wing onto the fuse

Step 3: Remove wing and make note of the areas of disturbed marks on the fuse

Step 4: Keeping in mind the problem areas identified on the fuse, use the file to carefully file the corresponding section inside the wings particular hexagonal section.

Step 5: After lightly filing the problem area, slide the wing back on to assess the fit.

Step 6: Repeat as necessary until the fit allows the holes to be at least 3/4" visible. From there, use the torx tool as a lever to pull the wing all the way on.

Note: blow out the dust between tests. (wear a mask)

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MidAtlanticFoil said..

fatfish96 said..

hilly said..
V the 1550





Tight fit might need some sandpaper

HIlly, did you end up sanding down the inside of the 1850 to get it on? Same issue that my friend had. He didnt sand it and was going to contact Armstrong. Was surprised about the fit.

I filed the inside of my 1850 wing to allow a perfect mate with the fuse. There was a full inch gap left at first when trying to fit it on the fuse. I previously had to file down my 85M female connection to allow the fuse to fit.

The fix is extremely easy and I didn't bother contacting armstrong. I prefer it to be a bit snug on shipment and allow me to perfect the fit to my fuse. Here's the method:

Tools required:

paint marker or similar
metal file - 15mm taper to 10mm size is perfect

Step 1: Use marker to mark up the fuselage in uniform manor

Step 2: Shove the wing onto the fuse

Step 3: Remove wing and make note of the areas of disturbed marks on the fuse

Step 4: Keeping in mind the problem areas identified on the fuse, use the file to carefully file the corresponding section inside the wings particular hexagonal section.

Step 5: After lightly filing the problem area, slide the wing back on to assess the fit.

Step 6: Repeat as necessary until the fit allows the holes to be at least 3/4" visible. From there, use the torx tool as a lever to pull the wing all the way on.

Note: blow out the dust between tests. (wear a mask)

Wow nice description
mine had a tiny lip on the first couple of mm inside the wing and I just rolled up some old thicker sandpaper and sanded it a couple of times and it fitted no probs. Prefer it tight as it will loosen with use.

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KB7 said..
I need some advice.

I kite foil with the 800, 1200 and recently the 1050/232. I've just decided to start SUP foil and winging for wave riding bought a 126 ltr board and 5m Echo to start and will add a smaller wing board later.

I'm 88kg do you think this new 1850 is a better option for SUPfoil and winging that the 1550 baring in mind I have the 1200 or 1050 for strong wind and bigger waves?

i don't want to buy both.

Thanks

1850

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hilly said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

fatfish96 said..

hilly said..
V the 1550





Tight fit might need some sandpaper

HIlly, did you end up sanding down the inside of the 1850 to get it on? Same issue that my friend had. He didnt sand it and was going to contact Armstrong. Was surprised about the fit.

I filed the inside of my 1850 wing to allow a perfect mate with the fuse. There was a full inch gap left at first when trying to fit it on the fuse. I previously had to file down my 85M female connection to allow the fuse to fit.

The fix is extremely easy and I didn't bother contacting armstrong. I prefer it to be a bit snug on shipment and allow me to perfect the fit to my fuse. Here's the method:

Tools required:

paint marker or similar
metal file - 15mm taper to 10mm size is perfect

Step 1: Use marker to mark up the fuselage in uniform manor

Step 2: Shove the wing onto the fuse

Step 3: Remove wing and make note of the areas of disturbed marks on the fuse

Step 4: Keeping in mind the problem areas identified on the fuse, use the file to carefully file the corresponding section inside the wings particular hexagonal section.

Step 5: After lightly filing the problem area, slide the wing back on to assess the fit.

Step 6: Repeat as necessary until the fit allows the holes to be at least 3/4" visible. From there, use the torx tool as a lever to pull the wing all the way on.

Note: blow out the dust between tests. (wear a mask)

Wow nice description
mine had a tiny lip on the first couple of mm inside the wing and I just rolled up some old thicker sandpaper and sanded it a couple of times and it fitted no probs. Prefer it tight as it will loosen with use.

thanks MidAtlantic and Hilly

Will pass along the notes to friend.

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Had a good day today. My first real go wingsurfing on my 5m Echo, SUP and 1200. At 15 knots just going back and forwards slogging but as soon as it gusted to 20 I was up and foiling. So long as it was solid wind the 1200 was okay.
So stoked, all my years windsurfing, kiting and SUP all come together in this new sport, I can now see why the learning curve is so fast. SUP foiling will be a secondary sport for me.

I will go with the 1850 to get the lowest end possible with max glide on waves while flagging the wing.

Cheers

OK first go on 1850 winging in light winds which is what I got it for. Average conditions 10 to 15 knots using 6m SMIK wing 6 6 SMIK board 60 fuse 232 tail 72 mast. Straight onshore with a small swell rolling into the bay, wind graph below. The circle is when I was out. Hit the lull perfectly, so my 105 kegs were a handicap.

Have to agree with everything Emmafoils said above. Basically Armie has made my Goldilocks wing foil. The 1550 was too small and the 2400 too big and slow (great for learners). I got up onto the foil in very light winds and could pump through transitions and lulls with ease, rode some swells downwind, and pleasantly surprised how small a lump I could stay on with no wing power. Really stable like the 2400 but a bit more nimble. Heaps of lift from any swell so even at waist high it was feeling hard to keep down, will be a great small wave cruiser but bigger swells may be a challenge. Not a racehorse, I think if you are after a super-fast foil wait for the HA wings later in the year. Overall for what I want it for 2 thumbs up
I thing the pumpers will love this foil, even with my poor technique it felt like I could pump

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MidAtlanticFoil said..
I had my first go winging the 1850 yesterday and put together this (boring) clip together to document it. Also had my first run with a 6M BRM W1. Wind was 8-12mph. Make sure you listen to the song lyrics.

Nice work, love the song. All my tacks end like the first one. The aim for summer is to master tacks

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hilly said..
OK first go on 1850 winging in light winds which is what I got it for. Average conditions 10 to 15 knots using 6m SMIK wing 6 6 SMIK board 60 fuse 232 tail 72 mast. Straight onshore with a small swell rolling into the bay, wind graph below. The circle is when I was out. Hit the lull perfectly, so my 105 kegs were a handicap.

Have to agree with everything Emmafoils said above. Basically Armie has made my Goldilocks wing foil. The 1550 was too small and the 2400 too big and slow (great for learners). I got up onto the foil in very light winds and could pump through transitions and lulls with ease, rode some swells downwind, and pleasantly surprised how small a lump I could stay on with no wing power. Really stable like the 2400 but a bit more nimble. Heaps of lift from any swell so even at waist high it was feeling hard to keep down, will be a great small wave cruiser but bigger swells may be a challenge. Not a racehorse, I think if you are after a super-fast foil wait for the HA wings later in the year. Overall for what I want it for 2 thumbs up
I thing the pumpers will love this foil, even with my poor technique it felt like I could pump

Yup. So, what is your next size down foil for bigger days? At 70 kg, I'm thinking 1200.

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emmafoils said..Yup. So, what is your next size down foil for bigger days? At 70 kg, I'm thinking 1200.

For me 1550 for you 1200. The 1200 is my favorite sup surf foil, but to wing it I need a lot of wind to get going which makes the water really disorganized so not so much fun wingdinging it.

Hey Armstrong people. It is tempting to update my axis 920 to 1850 (finally an army wing to substitute?! As could only really afford one wing to start with!).

On mast length. I'm happy with axis 75cm for sup foil and wing.
Mainly wing now but do love the odd sup foil session.
Are you guys happy with the Army 72cm mast for everything? Or would the 85cm be better for mainly winging and the odd sup foil session? Too much mast for most small wave sup foil sessions, slower rail to rail?
Army masts ain't cheap!
I read most of you happy with the 72cm for winging etc...
Cheers

Hi Hilly, thanks for all your great reviews and info., I'm 100 kgs, was looking at getting a 1850 for winging and sup foiling, changing from a GoFoil IWA 170, what would be the better partner wing you reckon to the 1850 - 1600 or 1550 for newbie level or do i need one ? - winging along no worries but no turns yet and sup foiling when waves are too fat or bad for anything else but not turning yet - using it in 10-20 knots and knee to shoulder surf, thanks

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fm1 said..
Hi Hilly, thanks for all your great reviews and info., I'm 100 kgs, was looking at getting a 1850 for winging and sup foiling, changing from a GoFoil IWA 170, what would be the better partner wing you reckon to the 1850 - 1600 or 1550 for newbie level or do i need one ? - winging along no worries but no turns yet and sup foiling when waves are too fat or bad for anything else but not turning yet - using it in 10-20 knots and knee to shoulder surf, thanks

Not directed at me, but still can answer. I would say with your weight you're good with only the 1850. If you want an additional wing, go for the 1550. The 1600 would be a step back in performance

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fm1 said..
Hi Hilly, thanks for all your great reviews and info., I'm 100 kgs, was looking at getting a 1850 for winging and sup foiling, changing from a GoFoil IWA 170, what would be the better partner wing you reckon to the 1850 - 1600 or 1550 for newbie level or do i need one ? - winging along no worries but no turns yet and sup foiling when waves are too fat or bad for anything else but not turning yet - using it in 10-20 knots and knee to shoulder surf, thanks

Not directed at me, but still can answer. I would say with your weight you're good with only the 1850. If you want an additional wing, go for the 1550. The 1600 would be a step back in performance

Very many thanks HubDekkers, much appreciated!

I picked up my 1850 today, it had the same fitting issue as Hilly. Just need the slightest sanding with 240 grid down to the first hole, now all good and tight. No wind for the coming week so will give it a go SUP paddle.

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KB7 said..
I picked up my 1850 today, it had the same fitting issue as Hilly. Just need the slightest sanding with 240 grid down to the first hole, now all good and tight. No wind for the coming week so will give it a go SUP paddle.

Hey KB7, you got hold of the 1850 fairly quick where did you get it from? And can you tell me the difference between the 800 and 1050.
Cheers Kobo