Something like this

There was a work boat doing a trip close inshore along the north coast of KI a few days ago. I noticed the John Duggan has been sheltering in D'Estrees Bay for about the last week and has just moved on this evening heading through the passage.

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Guitz said..
There was a work boat doing a trip close inshore along the north coast of KI a few days ago. I noticed the John Duggan has been sheltering in D'Estrees Bay for about the last week and has just moved on this evening heading through the passage.

Yes it's a container barge and I believe they are assisting in rebuilding KI after the fires. Also with Telstra towers and VHF repeaters.

.....Hmm, does that mean VHF coverage in the area is a bit restricted at the moment? And mobile phone coverage?
Could explain the lack of contact. I did notice they had what looked like a VHF antenna.

The media finally got out to salty sea dog. He said he was horrified to see the police boat rock up this morning! They made worse damage to his beloved vessel by towing it too fast! I give this bloke full credit for staying onboard and maning the pumps. Most of the footage the media used was at encounter bay boat ramp as the cauwsway to granite island is shut.

In one pic I saw a 44 gallon drum inside the dodger cabin so thats 200 liters. At 2.5 liters / hour they had a fair bit of fuel

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southace said..
Personally I thought AMSA jumped the gun a bit on Monday morning. Without a distress message sent other than a phone call.
My thoughts are also they searched In the wrong place it was quite easy to do passage plan once they disclosed the time of the call Friday night heading to KI . I personally got phone covarge as far as Neptune islands on a good day. From there 24 to 48 hrs to SW KI @6 knots basicly by Monday when the strong NE they would have been in the shelter of southern KI while the planes where searching the gulf and Neptune island area. He did get fined $1000 for out of date EPIRB and flares but that's not the reason this was a total screw up.

Cripes can we get a semblance of a tad of balance on this. Southace with the very greatest respect can it be recalled that on Wednesday at 9.15am you posted "hoping for a miracle" to get these 2 back alive. And now with that done you are now saying "AMSA jumped the gun a bit on Monday morning". If AMSA and RAAF and the Water Police had not gone into action the end result of this event may well have been very different with obvious consequences.

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Azure305 said..

r13 said..
Yes assumed as much - lean and strong, resourceful, always had a plan B.

The name Alcheringa tweaked a memory cell - see the first one in the 66 Hobart. As per the programme at the below link below stock up on your Craven Filter and go buy your Renault car when you get back..............

archive.cyca.com.au/media/3435156/1966-sydney-hobart-official-programme.pdf

Top story there re Alf and Badger Island.

Not fir me - i want to put on a 'Bonds Yachtie', get me an 'AWA Teleradio 65', and fly home on 'TAA' !
Yeeeha!

I have an old EMI solid state radio that came with my boat. Looks to be early 60's. But that AWA teleradio valve job is a treat! I do a bit of recording and have some nice old AWA gear, and some Byer and Rolla Valve mic preamps that came from the ABC mono tape recorders that were built for the 56 olympics. I recorded Chain, Kev Borich, Mick Rudd of Spectrum, and a few others with the old vintage gear i have.

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r13 said..

southace said..
Personally I thought AMSA jumped the gun a bit on Monday morning. Without a distress message sent other than a phone call.
My thoughts are also they searched In the wrong place it was quite easy to do passage plan once they disclosed the time of the call Friday night heading to KI . I personally got phone covarge as far as Neptune islands on a good day. From there 24 to 48 hrs to SW KI @6 knots basicly by Monday when the strong NE they would have been in the shelter of southern KI while the planes where searching the gulf and Neptune island area. He did get fined $1000 for out of date EPIRB and flares but that's not the reason this was a total screw up.

Cripes can we get a semblance of a tad of balance on this. Southace with the very greatest respect can it be recalled that on Wednesday at 9.15am you posted "hoping for a miracle" to get these 2 back alive. And now with that done you are now saying "AMSA jumped the gun a bit on Monday morning". If AMSA and RAAF and the Water Police had not gone into action the end result of this event may well have been very different with obvious consequences.

The only found them after they got back into phone range and called up to say " hey guys, we're way over here! "
Probably the same time google maps gave them a position fix.

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Guitz said..

Azure305 said..

r13 said..
Yes assumed as much - lean and strong, resourceful, always had a plan B.

The name Alcheringa tweaked a memory cell - see the first one in the 66 Hobart. As per the programme at the below link below stock up on your Craven Filter and go buy your Renault car when you get back..............

archive.cyca.com.au/media/3435156/1966-sydney-hobart-official-programme.pdf

Top story there re Alf and Badger Island.

Not fir me - i want to put on a 'Bonds Yachtie', get me an 'AWA Teleradio 65', and fly home on 'TAA' !
Yeeeha!

I have an old EMI solid state radio that came with my boat. Looks to be early 60's. But that AWA teleradio valve job is a treat! I do a bit of recording and have some nice old AWA gear, and some Byer and Rolla Valve mic preamps that came from the ABC mono tape recorders that were built for the 56 olympics. I recorded Chain, Kev Borich, Mick Rudd of Spectrum, and a few others with the old vintage gear i have.

Greato but are you still wearing your Bonds Yachtie gear, or flying TAA.............maybe to the first, definitely not to the second........won't go further as regards other airlines we won't be flying with soon..............

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Guitz said..
In one pic I saw a 44 gallon drum inside the dodger cabin so thats 200 liters. At 2.5 liters / hour they had a fair bit of fuel

What engine does the old girl have?

I don't know but I would assume something like a Perkins 4108 or maybe a lister as the Stenross boat I owned had a lister. Just a guess but if so then it would use around 2.5 litres an hour.

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Guitz said..
I don't know but I would assume something like a Perkins 4108 or maybe a lister as the Stenross boat I owned had a lister. Just a guess but if so then it would use around 2.5 litres an hour.

Just curious,
"We" have a ' frankenstein ' displacement cruiser of similiar type and size to the boat in question
Toyota 4 cylinder 40hp? diesel, uses around 6 lts an hour @ 2K...6-7 kts,

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tired said..

Guitz said..
I don't know but I would assume something like a Perkins 4108 or maybe a lister as the Stenross boat I owned had a lister. Just a guess but if so then it would use around 2.5 litres an hour.

Just curious,
"We" have a ' frankenstein ' displacement cruiser of similiar type and size to the boat in question
Toyota 4 cylinder 40hp? diesel, uses around 6 lts an hour @ 2K...6-7 kts,

How many revs at cruising speed? That would be a high revving motor? Its definitely a bit of a science to set up with prop pitch and size, and reduction gearbox to get the sweet spot in the power curve right. My Perkins 4108 is called a 50 hp engine but at thats on the test bench unloaded etc reving high. The 4108 is usually set up so at the prop its more like 25 HP cruising at 1700 RPM, steaming along at 2100 RPM and trying to climb your bow wave at 2500, maxing out at around 3000 RPM. For my boat at 6 ton hardwood hull of 30 ft its a well engineered setup with plenty of power at the right revs for the motor not to be screaming along giving everyone the s#! ts. Prop must be clean for good propulsion otherwise you lose power and of course a clean hull helps a lot.

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r13 said..

Guitz said..

Azure305 said..

r13 said..
Yes assumed as much - lean and strong, resourceful, always had a plan B.

The name Alcheringa tweaked a memory cell - see the first one in the 66 Hobart. As per the programme at the below link below stock up on your Craven Filter and go buy your Renault car when you get back..............

archive.cyca.com.au/media/3435156/1966-sydney-hobart-official-programme.pdf

Top story there re Alf and Badger Island.

Not fir me - i want to put on a 'Bonds Yachtie', get me an 'AWA Teleradio 65', and fly home on 'TAA' !
Yeeeha!

I have an old EMI solid state radio that came with my boat. Looks to be early 60's. But that AWA teleradio valve job is a treat! I do a bit of recording and have some nice old AWA gear, and some Byer and Rolla Valve mic preamps that came from the ABC mono tape recorders that were built for the 56 olympics. I recorded Chain, Kev Borich, Mick Rudd of Spectrum, and a few others with the old vintage gear i have.

Greato but are you still wearing your Bonds Yachtie gear, or flying TAA.............maybe to the first, definitely not to the second........won't go further as regards other airlines we won't be flying with soon..............

I get where you are coming from and agree especially with respect to safety measures dotting every i and crossing every t.....
and ensuring an old hull won't spring a plank or spew it's caulking when it hits bad weather. That said many a good looking wooden boat has some very suspect weakness and many a tired looking wooden boat are as solid as they are meant to be. It's the condition under the paint that counts! So it's a necessity that you know your boat well and wooden boats in general. If you have been around wooden boats for a long time as this bloke has indicated, you will know what to look out for. So I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes but it's an unfair stretch to call the boat junk on looks alone. On looks I wouldn't take that boat to sea.
Also I think my take on owning a wooden boat is to make the best of new and old engineering and tech as appropriate and seek advise from those with a lot of proven runs on the board.
While on the subject of AWA valve radios and vintage equipment as an illustration, in my professional recording experience nothing yet in the digital domain can replace the way some vintage tools of the trade happen to work, often by accidental design artifacts that most tech designers try to avoid in pursuit of accurate audio capture and reproduction. The way inductor equalisation sounds with sweet high frequency adjustment and solid bass projection, nothing comes close. And contrary to most people's knowledge or lack of, the desired sound of valve topology is usually not the valve itself but rather the transformer being used in the signal path and the mumetal contained along with the wire winding used. This is the black art of audio and the old Australian designed and built recording gear is outstanding in this aspect. Many of the great recording engineers of the world have the old mono AWA vari mu broadcast limiters in their recording rack. I have some of the best gear built in Oz during the hey day of the 60's and early 70's that was custom built by a world leader at the time, and his team here in Melbourne Graham Thirkle. This was before electronic balancing of the input and output signal replaced transformers in the signal path. My point being some things from the past are irreplaceable in the modern world and have a place while we can get our hands on them and keep them functional and in good order ( while not putting your life at risk). I think we are to a point all on the same page?

Not having a boat licence and not seaworth safety gear. I would suggest that if they are replying on phones, that there was either no VHF or it wasnt working.

www.3ba.com.au/news/national-news/101139-missing-sa-men-found-alive-then-fined

Latest response from the skipper. Hit a turtle or a log and lost a blade on his prop, so speed went from 7 knots to 2-3 knots and voyage went from 4 to 8 days. Never set off epirb or flares as they were not in distress. Appears pretty experience. Sounds like the main thing they should of done was tell someone about the longer trip, however appears they had no way of communicating (are the VHF repeaters on Kangaroo Island working, or are they still out of action from the bush fires?).

Main thing is glad they are both safe.

Ilenart

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-11/tony-higgins-explains-what-happened-on-missing-boat/12653378

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Ilenart said..
Latest response from the skipper. Hit a turtle or a log and lost a blade on his prop, so speed went from 7 knots to 2-3 knots and voyage went from 4 to 8 days. Never set off epirb or flares as they were not in distress. Appears pretty experience. Sounds like the main thing they should of done was tell someone that about the longer trip, however appears they had no way of communicating (are the VHF repeaters on Kangaroo Island working, or are they still out of action from the bush fires?).

Main thing is glad they are both safe.

Ilenart

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-11/tony-higgins-explains-what-happened-on-missing-boat/12653378

So you break a blade off your prop when near Port Lincoln and decide to carry on?
Would you not go to the nearest port?
just plain reckless behaviour that brings down the reputation of the whole boating community.
Even a hand held vhf could get a message to another vessel whether the repeater was working or not.

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dralyagmas said..
Not having a boat licence and not seaworth safety gear. I would suggest that if they are replying on phones, that there was either no VHF or it wasnt working.

www.3ba.com.au/news/national-news/101139-missing-sa-men-found-alive-then-fined

I read or heard somewhere that the owner either had or still has commercial tickets,

If that is the case, it's a very minor issue ( imo ) him not also having a recreational boat license, as he is required to have,
Just a daft requirement...imo

My Master Class 4 also covered my recreational boating. No need for a separate licence.

State by state the licence requirements vary

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Guitz said..

tired said..

Guitz said..
I don't know but I would assume something like a Perkins 4108 or maybe a lister as the Stenross boat I owned had a lister. Just a guess but if so then it would use around 2.5 litres an hour.

Just curious,
"We" have a ' frankenstein ' displacement cruiser of similiar type and size to the boat in question
Toyota 4 cylinder 40hp? diesel, uses around 6 lts an hour @ 2K...6-7 kts,

How many revs at cruising speed? That would be a high revving motor? Its definitely a bit of a science to set up with prop pitch and size, and reduction gearbox to get the sweet spot in the power curve right. My Perkins 4108 is called a 50 hp engine but at thats on the test bench unloaded etc reving high. The 4108 is usually set up so at the prop its more like 25 HP cruising at 1700 RPM, steaming along at 2100 RPM and trying to climb your bow wave at 2500, maxing out at around 3000 RPM. For my boat at 6 ton hardwood hull of 30 ft its a well engineered setup with plenty of power at the right revs for the motor not to be screaming along giving everyone the s#! ts. Prop must be clean for good propulsion otherwise you lose power and of course a clean hull helps a lot.

Cruising revs are around 1600 ( l think ) we normally sit on or close to the 2K rpm as that gives us around 7 kts,

" We " ( my adult sons and l ) bought it nearby as a cheap project to play with in our " spare time "
which we have all ran out of since purchasing nearly two yrs ago,
Young families and two newborn grandkids and our own health issues have slowed us all down...on this boat.

We have 5 stinkboats atm...and have had many others,
This was our first timber displacement hull though.

They are at it again www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-22/margrel-disappears-after-call-to-police-saying-it-was-sinking/12688040?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf238035183&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf238035183=1&fbclid=IwAR03SDfqMlknNE8Qma9F6Yc0kbdpejbk7uqxMDDjAMpEpVS9HT9zW2l348g

It's almost comical

Apparently a few days ago he went in close so he could get supplies and ran aground on a sand bar. Looks like he hasn't got a dingy.I wonder why he didn't he organise one from a mate while he was anchored near granite island. He was tied up to the pier on the island and when a Journo checked first thing this morning he was gone. Curious indeed. At 23 knots onshore at the moment if he's still afloat he will be blown onto the coast.

I'll be waiting for it to appear in the war on wrecks thread.

Its almost like he is doing it to stir up attention.

Massive Seas down there at the moment. !
That little fisherman anchor would have dragged real quick

Well it's not the sort of day to be out there in a boat that can onlt do 2 or 2 knots because of propeller trouble unless he put a new prop on in the water? Further reading suggests he was anchored out from Granite Island, not tied up to the pier. If he made a run for it to the Murray river mouth surely he would be spotted by the chopper? I don't have a good feeling about it this time round.

Your right guitz looks pretty dog sh!t out there on windy at the moment.

Looks like they located the boat off the Murray river mouth and are now heading to Adelaide. They might have dropped a liferaft or something.