Well it is a natural mud hole where the narrow sand channel will be prone to silting? Leave it to dinghy sailing, which is part of the history of place.

Why buy a modern yacht with a deep keel then expect someone else to pay to constantly modify the channel for your access? I can remember as a kid in the 70s' holidaying at Marmong Point rowing around in an old ply dinghy checking out what was left of all the charming classic wooden boats and sailing a sabot. Place is probably now all full of monstrous white fibreglass caravans?

Cripes Shane - how to respond. Are you saying all yachts inside the Swansea bridge are sentenced there for the rest of their born living days? Give me a break. Port Hacking is being dredged now or soon and Botany Bay's entrance into the Georges River and Kogarah Bay etc should be soon but this is depending on local councils or state govts who couldn't run a choko vine over an outhouse - for sure agree regarding the "caravans" but the yachts in Lake Macquarie got in there originally with their keel depth due to sage navigation. They didn't expect to be land locked.

I wasn't even gonna give such an idiot comment a response!!

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nswsailor said..
I think it's time to talk about training walls right out into the deep water of the lake!
And that will stop this non ending dredging which isn't working.

What??? Getting the government to spend money on infrastructure to make life easier for the boating community???

Best of luck with that one!!

Just seen this cisco and its not true!

NSW gov has committed apparently to $60 mil for the finishing of the Manning River South Training Wall and the construction of a very large marina in behind the north wall at Harrington.

Not saying when it will happen but the money is being spent on starting the project.

But, doing the Swansea channel walls would be a better bang for their bucks and the boating community.

Just, and I me just cleared the drop over.

100mm under keel. (Draft 1200)
small yacht with 1400 draft scraped. Marine rescue were out front of him. (Maybe towed)

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Just, and I me just cleared the drop over.

100mm under keel. (Draft 1200)
small yacht with 1400 draft scraped. Marine rescue were out front of him. (Maybe towed)

Thanks for that - You're on the right tide too!!

You didn't make the news - is this the boat??

Thank you for this update. I'm waiting to get my NS 38 out of the lake but don't dare attempt it until they dredge it. Any idea when the dredging will occur?

Hi Jules
I havent been following the dredging saga, Trim, Hanse 37 at around 1.9 draft is heading out later this week. There will be a lot of tugging and halyard pulling im thinking



Hi Lazzz.
No not that boat, similar size, it's name was something like Tamarelio. They were heading to Pitwater.

First time iv parked in a pen, no one died

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Craig66 said..
Hi Jules
I havent been following the dredging saga, Trim, Hanse 37 at around 1.9 draft is heading out later this week. There will be a lot of tugging and halyard pulling im thinking



Hi Lazzz.
No not that boat, similar size, it's name was something like Tamarelio. They were heading to Pitwater.

First time iv parked in a pen, no one died

Well if he's heading out after Wednesday I would just suggest a Bix and a lie down may be a better option!

A Bex and a lie down?? Maybe Dr McKenzies Menthoids would be better.

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Craig66 said..
Hi Jules
I havent been following the dredging saga, Trim, Hanse 37 at around 1.9 draft is heading out later this week. There will be a lot of tugging and halyard pulling im thinking



Hi Lazzz.
No not that boat, similar size, it's name was something like Tamarelio. They were heading to Pitwater.

First time iv parked in a pen, no one died

Cat looking good :-). Looks like a tight fit. What Marina is that? Looks quite built up around there.

Going to do a quick slip and anti-foul before I leave the lake since no working on your own boat seems to be allowed anywhere on Pittwater and I don't fancy getting all the new anti-foul scraped off the bottom of the keel as I'm leaving so have to wait for the dredge.

Let us know how your friend with the Hanse goes.

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Craig66 said..
Hi Jules
I havent been following the dredging saga, Trim, Hanse 37 at around 1.9 draft is heading out later this week. There will be a lot of tugging and halyard pulling im thinking



Hi Lazzz.
No not that boat, similar size, it's name was something like Tamarelio. They were heading to Pitwater.

First time iv parked in a pen, no one died

Cat looking good :-). Looks like a tight fit. What Marina is that? Looks quite built up around there.

Going to do a quick slip and anti-foul before I leave the lake since no working on your own boat seems to be allowed anywhere on Pittwater and I don't fancy getting all the new anti-foul scraped off the bottom of the keel as I'm leaving so have to wait for the dredge.

Let us know how your friend with the Hanse goes.

Thanks Jules.

Newcastle Marina, im last pen out facing Honeysuckle,
Size is ok, its pretty wide, its like a pen and a half to cater for a cat and mono (as the one over on A arm in the photo) I have maybe a bit under 2m clear to the boat next to me, photo makes it look closer.

As mentioned above, something needs to be taken if heading out Thursday

On the occasional race in the bay, we wouldn't have enough water to get behind the start line. You'd end up with all the bigger draft guys beating a track to one side or the other, before turning and and all trying to squeeze through the 20' section of the line where you might be ok. If you got forced up or down, even money shot you were going aground.
I said many a silent thanks for lifting keels on days like that. Being able to get off and being mobile also meant we got pretty good at working out how to assist other boats off. The go to solution turned out to skull dragging them over to max heel by their halyard, it worked really well.. Lot of load though, so big cleats and solid mount needed.

Hey Jules
I spoke with Hanse mate this arvo, he got out of lake this morning with the help of a lead boat showing the way and another boat on halyard to pull him over to 45 deg.
He motored and did not need a tow but did bounce the keel a little.

So with the right tide, the right help its possible

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Hey Jules
I spoke with Hanse mate this arvo, he got out of lake this morning with the help of a lead boat showing the way and another boat on halyard to pull him over to 45 deg.
He motored and did not need a tow but did bounce the keel a little.

So with the right tide, the right help its possible

Thank you very much for reporting that back.

Unfortunately I still don't really like the sound of it so I might wait for the dredging although the 1 hour 20 minute trip up there is really starting to discourage me especially now that my five-year-old has started school and I have to be back by 2:40 without fail to pick him up. If dredging doesn't occur this winter then I guess I will be desperate enough to try it.

I'm still mostly working on the boat rather than sailing it. When I sail I hate sailing to a deadline or having to start the motor just to get back to a deadline. If I had the boat closer to home I would be able to do a couple of hours work and then perhaps a 3 or 4 hour sail to remind me what it is all about :-). In a similar vein I remember sailing my father's boat berthed on the wrong side of the Spit Bridge which also meant getting back to a deadline :(. Almost enough to make me get a cat as my close friend with a 42 foot cat on the lake has no such draught problems and apartment style accommodation to boot. The bridge is still a pain though as I like the waves in the open ocean every time I sail.

Just joking. I envy him his galley and seperate shower plus apartment like accommodation but not his light wind or windward performance. (He fires up a motor rather than pinch or tack to get around a headland :( ). He was at the helm of my boat last week and said it felt like a skiff :-).
I must say however that if I wanted to blow over a million bucks plus three times the maintenance costs I could be persuaded into an Outremer :). Crazy demand and prices for good cats ATM.

You appear to have a cat. Are you a recent convert and how do you like sailing it?

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Craig66 said..
Hey Jules
I spoke with Hanse mate this arvo, he got out of lake this morning with the help of a lead boat showing the way and another boat on halyard to pull him over to 45 deg.
He motored and did not need a tow but did bounce the keel a little.

So with the right tide, the right help its possible

Thank you very much for reporting that back.

Unfortunately I still don't really like the sound of it so I might wait for the dredging although the 1 hour 20 minute trip up there is really starting to discourage me especially now that my five-year-old has started school and I have to be back by 2:40 without fail to pick him up. If dredging doesn't occur this winter then I guess I will be desperate enough to try it.

I'm still mostly working on the boat rather than sailing it. When I sail I hate sailing to a deadline or having to start the motor just to get back to a deadline. If I had the boat closer to home I would be able to do a couple of hours work and then perhaps a 3 or 4 hour sail to remind me what it is all about :-). In a similar vein I remember sailing my father's boat berthed on the wrong side of the Spit Bridge which also meant getting back to a deadline :(. Almost enough to make me get a cat as my close friend with a 42 foot cat on the lake has no such draught problems and apartment style accommodation to boot. The bridge is still a pain though as I like the waves in the open ocean every time I sail.

Just joking. I envy him his galley and seperate shower plus apartment like accommodation but not his light wind or windward performance. (He fires up a motor rather than pinch or tack to get around a headland :( ). He was at the helm of my boat last week and said it felt like a skiff :-).
I must say however that if I wanted to blow over a million bucks plus three times the maintenance costs I could be persuaded into an Outremer :). Crazy demand and prices for good cats ATM.

You appear to have a cat. Are you a recent convert and how do you like sailing it?

Hey Jules
A 5 year old ????? **** im old, my 2 kids are 28 and 30


Outremer........... yes please, you can park it on my mooring at Toronto.

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Hey Jules
A 5 year old ????? **** im old, my 2 kids are 28 and 30

Old!! Hahahahahahah

My kids are 47 & 50!!!

So I have a friend with a small rib with 18 horse on it. Does anyone who has tried pulling their mast over to one side using a halyard think that this would have sufficient horsepower to pull my North Shore 38 over to a reasonable angle so as to reduce Draught.

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julesmoto said..

Craig66 said..
Hey Jules
I spoke with Hanse mate this arvo, he got out of lake this morning with the help of a lead boat showing the way and another boat on halyard to pull him over to 45 deg.
He motored and did not need a tow but did bounce the keel a little.

So with the right tide, the right help its possible

Thank you very much for reporting that back.

Unfortunately I still don't really like the sound of it so I might wait for the dredging although the 1 hour 20 minute trip up there is really starting to discourage me especially now that my five-year-old has started school and I have to be back by 2:40 without fail to pick him up. If dredging doesn't occur this winter then I guess I will be desperate enough to try it.

I'm still mostly working on the boat rather than sailing it. When I sail I hate sailing to a deadline or having to start the motor just to get back to a deadline. If I had the boat closer to home I would be able to do a couple of hours work and then perhaps a 3 or 4 hour sail to remind me what it is all about :-). In a similar vein I remember sailing my father's boat berthed on the wrong side of the Spit Bridge which also meant getting back to a deadline :(. Almost enough to make me get a cat as my close friend with a 42 foot cat on the lake has no such draught problems and apartment style accommodation to boot. The bridge is still a pain though as I like the waves in the open ocean every time I sail.

Just joking. I envy him his galley and seperate shower plus apartment like accommodation but not his light wind or windward performance. (He fires up a motor rather than pinch or tack to get around a headland :( ). He was at the helm of my boat last week and said it felt like a skiff :-).
I must say however that if I wanted to blow over a million bucks plus three times the maintenance costs I could be persuaded into an Outremer :). Crazy demand and prices for good cats ATM.

You appear to have a cat. Are you a recent convert and how do you like sailing it?

Hey Jules
A 5 year old ????? **** im old, my 2 kids are 28 and 30


Outremer........... yes please, you can park it on my mooring at Toronto.

I'm old too :-) I have 5 other children between the ages of 23 and 37. I would probably get a cat if I was to live aboard but kind of shot myself in the foot with the five year old as he must go to school now. No world cruising for me.

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So I have a friend with a small rib with 18 horse on it. Does anyone who has tried pulling their mast over to one side using a halyard think that this would have sufficient horsepower to pull my North Shore 38 over to a reasonable angle so as to reduce Draught.

Hi Julesm,
I pulled a deep draft Benny First 40.7 over to 45 degrees with a 30 horsepower 2 blade. It wasn't hard on the engine but I was happy it was on a big cleat, lots of load.

To reduce the load a list could be induced, I'm thinking a weight on a masthead halyard reeved through a spinnaker pole to port or starboard, as the weight is raised the centre of gravity will follow it, less effort would be required by the pull over vessel ?

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woko said..
To reduce the load a list could be induced, I'm thinking a weight on a masthead halyard reeved through a spinnaker pole to port or starboard, as the weight is raised the centre of gravity will follow it, less effort would be required by the pull over vessel ?

All good ideas thank you which I might have to resort to at the end of the year but I'm hoping for news on dredging shortly so that I can exit well before summer