shaggybaxter said..
An interesting side topic, Pogo have debuted a 32ft power boat using their sailboat hull construction techniques.
Hull is a 25mm vacuum infused foam core layup, same construction technique as their sailboats. Complete with chine!

32 ft long, weighs in at 1750kgs with motor and cruises at 12 knots using 1/2 litre per mile with a Penta 75HP.

That's a sturdy construction for a stinkboat for a minimal weight penalty. And that was due to Christian, the guy who owns Pogo being a very talented composites engineer.

A very similar story to the American MJM range of down-east (Maine) style motor yachts built by Bob Johnson of 'J' Yachts fame.

The letters stand for Mary Johnson's Motoryacht and MJMs suit the needs of a retirement age couple, Bob and his wife Mary, with a lifetime of yachting experience and utilising the high-tech production methods of 'J' yacht production such as foam cores and vacuum bagging.

Very light, ultra economical and very tasty. https://mjmyachts.com/

shaggybaxter said..
An interesting side topic, Pogo have debuted a 32ft power boat using their sailboat hull construction techniques.
Hull is a 25mm vacuum infused foam core layup, same construction technique as their sailboats. Complete with chine!

32 ft long, weighs in at 1750kgs with motor and cruises at 12 knots using 1/2 litre per mile with a Penta 75HP.

That's a sturdy construction for a stinkboat for a minimal weight penalty. And that was due to Christian, the guy who owns Pogo being a very talented composites engineer.



They need to work on the ugly factor a bit!

Looking at a few of the newer boats these days it seems ugly is the new chic . They are probably onto a winner with that boat.

Jolene said..

Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..

agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?

the definition what sturdy means

Seebreasy73 said..

Jolene said..

Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..

agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?

the definition what sturdy means

Given the Australian males inate ability and mastery of DIY projects I am going to put up the home built ferro of the 70,s as the sturdiest vessel that a very any amount of money can buy.

Jolene said..

Seebreasy73 said..

Jolene said..

Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..

agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?

the definition what sturdy means

yeah,,, and what determines the definition?
What are the tests that gauge sturdiness?

By whatever definition you choose and whatever test used as a gauge the 70's home built ferro will be STURDIER than my French built Beneteau. No if no buts.
Now the test that I am going to put up as a Sturdiness index is to run the vessel onto a coral bommie head at full speed. By that measure the ferro vessel will carve its way at 3.5 knots into the coral and become a permanent edifice marking that spot for the next 100 years. At about 10 + knots my fin keeled Beneteau will rip the keel clean from the hull and shred itself onto the coral leaving as much pollution as the French nuclear tests on Mururoa

Jolene said..

Seebreasy73 said..

Jolene said..

Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..

agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?

the definition what sturdy means

yeah,,, and what determines the definition?
What are the tests that gauge sturdiness?

it is determined by it's definition, no measures


sturdy

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adjective

adjective: sturdy; comparative adjective: sturdier; superlative adjective: sturdiest

strong enough to withstand rough work or treatment. <<<

"the bike is sturdy enough to cope with bumpy tracks"

synonyms:robust, strong, strongly made, well built, well made, solid, substantial, stout, sound, serviceable, stable; More

antonyms:weak, ramshackle

Wouldn't a steel (or alum) yacht put the old "concrete coffins" to shame @ the bommies?

Was Moitessier wrong about steel?

Phantom32 said.
Also a lot of old ocean going yachts from all countries were massively overbuilt because not as much was known about material science, stresses, strains, etc. at the time. (and they had limited access to computers and the detailed numerical analysis that they facilitate).

I think this is the comment of the thread....

The old McDonald Douglas DC3 could've been almost half the weight it was if they new as much about aircraft construction then as they do now. The problem is with the old salts attitude towards modern materials and design. It is crusted on harder than the sea salt itself. in both the marine and aviation industries......

shaggybaxter said..
Can we submit before and after shots?
The French ship of the line Redoubtable , sturdy in their eyes.
Before....


Aaand after.....
Less sturdy! Magic!

The poor French don't never seem to have much luck in times of war, poor souls. I do remember though that some of their French WWII ships were really beautiful... before they lost them all to everyone else.

Sacre Bleu ! Shaggy. Form over function, form over function.
If it looks good it will go ok !but who cares it's French flair.
If you were surrounded by Germany , England and Spain ugh.
boring boring boring. The world would be pretty drab without the French. Actually poor old Redoubtable sacrificed herself to save the Flagship knocking off Nelson in the process.

frant said..
French sailors are undoubtedly the toughest in the world.

ladies and gents, off the subject again..each nation is great by their own means, merci...

is there a way to create a poll on this site?

shaggybaxter said..
Can we submit before and after shots?
The French ship of the line Redoubtable , sturdy in their eyes.
Before....


Aaand after.....
Less sturdy! Magic!

The poor French don't never seem to have much luck in times of war, poor souls. I do remember though that some of their French WWII ships were really beautiful... before they lost them all to everyone else.

Now we get to understand why the French have the most vibrant mass production boatbuilding industry. All the boats they build keep sinking. Time to up your insurance policy shaggy.

I have personally seen the French deliver boats and they have been a total mess sheet ropes and cockpits total mess and Carnige. They don't seem to understand the word ship shape nor that they don't care.but they do deliver the end product to your door if requested.

FreeRadical said..
Aussie built and still afloat after being abandoned for 8yrs.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police-news-assets/hills-fleurieu-local-service-area/lost-vessel-identified-off-kangaroo-island#.XCynCxo_Wf0

G'day FR,
Thanks, I didn't realise Wild Eyes was an Aussie boat!
I still have a vivid memory off her setting off with a dozen 20l fuel containers lashed not very safely in the cockpit. Scary.

southace said..
I have personally seen the French deliver boats and they have been a total mess sheet ropes and cockpits total mess and Carnige. They don't seem to understand the word ship shape nor that they don't care.but they do deliver the end product to your door if requested.

G'day South,
I know what you mean, but I would argue that this is less to do with a nationality thing than an individual calling the shots. My boat was impeccably delivered by the French, though It's worth mentioning this was direct with a yard with no dealer network, I have no first hand knowledge of the bigger yards with brokers and dealerships.

shaggybaxter said..

frant said..

shaggybaxter said..

FreeRadical said..
Aussie built and still afloat after being abandoned for 8yrs.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police-news-assets/hills-fleurieu-local-service-area/lost-vessel-identified-off-kangaroo-island#.XCynCxo_Wf0

G'day FR,
Thanks, I didn't realise Wild Eyes was an Aussie boat!
I still have a vivid memory off her setting off with a dozen 20l fuel containers lashed not very safely in the cockpit. Scary.

I thought she was a French open 40 ( until I did a google search that is)

Me too Frant.

I guess that begs the question are McConaughey boats Australian or Chinese?