My apologies for raising this again, but it has been a while since it was discussed.

I seem to recall it said that Navionics WAS good but not so good since Garmin bought it out and that they were asking more money for it.

The original seemed pretty good to me and current price of $36 is about what it was before. Are people still using it and is it still good/accurate?

I have looked in the Play Store at Open CPN and Memory Maps and the reviews on them are not good with many complaints about them not loading or recognising charts.

My mobile is a Lenovo 9 inch tablet, quad core, memory slot and built in GPS chip.

Any and all comments appreciated.

The problem might be more android versus windows when it comes to nav programmes. I tried navionics on an android phone and did not like it. As a long time user of Seaclear on various windows computers over more than 20 years there is no comparison. I have now switched to Opencpn on a windows 10 computer and it is very good. Not as good as Seaclear to use but has far better support and upgrades. Most of this usability I would put down to the Windows platform, especially windows 10.
I would think the best arrangement would be a windows computer and a SIRF4 chip puck running Opencpn at the nav table. WIFI the tablet in the cockpit if you must.

Very happy with Navionics on an iPhone and iPad, as a back up to the same on a chart plotter. It seems the economy apps have more related info on tides etc than the plotter versions. No experience on Android devices, sorry!
Richard

I have Navionics on both iPad and android. I guess they work about the same. I have started using Zulu Waterways on the iPad and am loving the amount of information it gives. Just wish the 'Navionics' map option was as good as the real thing.

I'm happy with Navionics on iPhone and iPad
but haven't tried the others

I too like navionics. Isailor is also fantastic. I reckon it would be better heaps for passage planing than navionics.
Regards,
Mick

Navionics is good, always changing their rules/prices but overall cheap.
i run it on Ipad/Phone, however also use a Raspberry PI with Opencpn and display on my IPad via Wifi or Monitor inside. Upside with Opencpn while not as fast as Navionics, is with the right converter you can have all your instruments display as a dashboard on Opencpn... as much a I could research, this is the only way unless you have a MFD and connect to Navionics via Wifi.

I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone. INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all data on the NMEA bus. The NMEA bus contains all data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.
This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iPad/iPhone screen containing the NMEA data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc), while the AIS data is overlaid on the chart . AIS icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :(
regards to all
allan

I think Isailor is pretty cool too. It can do all the normal things. Routing, fuel calculations, time the selected route would take, air draft, etc. I don't know if you can have multiple passage plans on navionics but I'm pretty sure you can. I like how it is set up on your screen better as well. Can overlay Ais and set alarms and things.

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Datawiz said..
I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone. INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all data on the NMEA bus. The NMEA bus contains all data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.
This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iPad/iPhone screen containing the NMEA data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc), while the AIS data is overlaid on the chart . AIS icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :(
regards to all
allan

could you just explain the part after you said "i run " I understood those first two words .....

huh???

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SandS said..

Datawiz said..
I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone. INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all data on the NMEA bus. The NMEA bus contains all data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.
This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iPad/iPhone screen containing the NMEA data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc), while the AIS data is overlaid on the chart . AIS icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :(
regards to all
allan

could you just explain the part after you said "i run " I understood those first two words .....

Hi SanS, I've tried to clarify what I posted - sorry if it's too nerdy, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

"I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone.
INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives, via WiFi, the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all the data that's on the NMEA bus.
The NMEA bus contains data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.

This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iNavX iPad/iPhone screen containing the data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc) from the NMEA data received from the WiFi.
The AIS data received from the WiFi, is overlaid as icons on the iNavX chart . These icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :("

hope this helps,
allan

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Datawiz said..

SandS said..

Datawiz said..
I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone. INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all data on the NMEA bus. The NMEA bus contains all data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.
This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iPad/iPhone screen containing the NMEA data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc), while the AIS data is overlaid on the chart . AIS icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :(
regards to all
allan

could you just explain the part after you said "i run " I understood those first two words .....

Hi SanS, I've tried to clarify what I posted - sorry if it's too nerdy, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

"I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone.
INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives, via WiFi, the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all the data that's on the NMEA bus.
The NMEA bus contains data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.

This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iNavX iPad/iPhone screen containing the data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc) from the NMEA data received from the WiFi.
The AIS data received from the WiFi, is overlaid as icons on the iNavX chart . These icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :("

hope this helps,
allan

Same setup, but you do have to renew the Navionics chart subscription in iNavX which is $140 per year.

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FreeRadical said..

Datawiz said..

SandS said..

Datawiz said..
I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone. INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all data on the NMEA bus. The NMEA bus contains all data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.
This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iPad/iPhone screen containing the NMEA data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc), while the AIS data is overlaid on the chart . AIS icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :(
regards to all
allan

could you just explain the part after you said "i run " I understood those first two words .....

Hi SanS, I've tried to clarify what I posted - sorry if it's too nerdy, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

"I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone.
INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives, via WiFi, the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all the data that's on the NMEA bus.
The NMEA bus contains data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.

This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iNavX iPad/iPhone screen containing the data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc) from the NMEA data received from the WiFi.
The AIS data received from the WiFi, is overlaid as icons on the iNavX chart . These icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :("

hope this helps,
allan

Same setup, but you do have to renew the Navionics chart subscription in iNavX which is $140 per year.

Hi FR,
Yeah, just checked - the subscription is now $140 per year. Never used to be that much - seems like price gouging is standard policy for corporations these days.

Just checked what I've paid in the past for Navionics chart renewals.
These were: $15.00, $39.99,$79.99 for consecutive renewals.
The charts were originally handled by Fugawi, but their website now has a notice saying they no longer handle the Navionics charts for iNavX.
Hence the new gouging prices.....

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Datawiz said..

FreeRadical said..

Datawiz said..

SandS said..

Datawiz said..
I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone. INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all data on the NMEA bus. The NMEA bus contains all data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.
This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iPad/iPhone screen containing the NMEA data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc), while the AIS data is overlaid on the chart . AIS icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :(
regards to all
allan

could you just explain the part after you said "i run " I understood those first two words .....

Hi SanS, I've tried to clarify what I posted - sorry if it's too nerdy, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

"I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone.
INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives, via WiFi, the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all the data that's on the NMEA bus.
The NMEA bus contains data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.

This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iNavX iPad/iPhone screen containing the data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc) from the NMEA data received from the WiFi.
The AIS data received from the WiFi, is overlaid as icons on the iNavX chart . These icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :("

hope this helps,
allan

Same setup, but you do have to renew the Navionics chart subscription in iNavX which is $140 per year.

Hi FR,
Yeah, just checked - the subscription is now $140 per year. Never used to be that much - seems like price gouging is standard policy for corporations these days.

Have an Asus eeepc running, win 7 with open cpn and Daisy Ais down below, and have just purchased Onwa 8 inch gps plotter with K charts ( yet to instal ) for the cockpit. laptop also has memory map as backup.

I tended to use Navionics on an Android phone while also running the Garmin plotter. I liked being able to compare as we went along and found it very useful for Tin Can Bay to Bundaberg through all the shallow bits which were always more up to date on the Navionics as you would expect. Also we relied solely on the Navionics on Android for the trip after the Wide Bay Bar down to Brisbane as we discovered too late that the Garmin maps did not cover that far south. Only issue I noticed really was that it very occasionally overstated the speed. I don't really think we hit 11.5 knots which also did not match the Garmin plotter when compared.

A few votes here for OpenCPN, and some for Navionics.

I understand that you get chart data included with Navionics and that is really what you pay for periodically.

But those using OpenCPN (and there are a few here), where do you get reasonably up-to-date Aus East coast chart data, and what does it cost once-off or periodically ?

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Datawiz said..

FreeRadical said..

Datawiz said..

SandS said..

Datawiz said..
I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone. INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all data on the NMEA bus. The NMEA bus contains all data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.
This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iPad/iPhone screen containing the NMEA data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc), while the AIS data is overlaid on the chart . AIS icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :(
regards to all
allan

could you just explain the part after you said "i run " I understood those first two words .....

Hi SanS, I've tried to clarify what I posted - sorry if it's too nerdy, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

"I run iNavX on an iPad & iPhone.
INavX uses Navionics charts and also receives, via WiFi, the data supplied by a Miniplex NMEA WiFi multiplexer which transmits all the data that's on the NMEA bus.
The NMEA bus contains data from my Raymarine C80 MFD as well as AIS data supplied by a GME 650 AIS transceiver.

This setup gives me a banner at the top of the iNavX iPad/iPhone screen containing the data I've selected (eg Depth, SOG, COG,etc,etc) from the NMEA data received from the WiFi.
The AIS data received from the WiFi, is overlaid as icons on the iNavX chart . These icons contain the vessel name and are clickable to obtain additional data such as CPA,TCPA, etc.

I've also got the Navionics app and would prefer to use that (I like the routing, autorouting, fuel and time calculations,etc) but it has no facility to integrate NMEA data via WiFi :("

hope this helps,
allan

Same setup, but you do have to renew the Navionics chart subscription in iNavX which is $140 per year.

Hi FR,
Yeah, just checked - the subscription is now $140 per year. Never used to be that much - seems like price gouging is standard policy for corporations these days.

Just checked what I've paid in the past for Navionics chart renewals.
These were: $15.00, $39.99,$79.99 for consecutive renewals.
The charts were originally handled by Fugawi, but their website now has a notice saying they no longer handle the Navionics charts for iNavX.
Hence the new gouging prices.....

Sure is getting expensive. Problem with iNavX, at least mine, is the charts disappear if you dont renew the subscription. Ive stopped using it and just use a free NMEA app to display data on ipad and the Vesper App for AIS.

Ive never renewed my ipad Navionics subscription and it still downloads wherever i zoom in, probably not downloading current charts, not really sure how it works.

I have Navionics on 2 plotters and my iphone. I have cMaps on a 3rd plotter but never use it.
I also use memory maps with the Aussie charts (apparently no longer avail) and even though I used that from Brisbane to Perth, I'm not a huge fan.
I would really like to use OpenCPN with the free WA (official) charts but they are in PDF format and I have no clue on converting them to the required imgKAP format.

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Toph said..
I have Navionics on 2 plotters and my iphone. I have cMaps on a 3rd plotter but never use it.
I also use memory maps with the Aussie charts (apparently no longer avail) and even though I used that from Brisbane to Perth, I'm not a huge fan.
I would really like to use OpenCPN with the free WA (official) charts but they are in PDF format and I have no clue on converting them to the required imgKAP format.

opencpn.org/wiki/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opencpn:supplementary_software:chart_conversion_manual:pdf2kap

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Karsten said..
A few votes here for OpenCPN, and some for Navionics.

I understand that you get chart data included with Navionics and that is really what you pay for periodically.

But those using OpenCPN (and there are a few here), where do you get reasonably up-to-date Aus East coast chart data, and what does it cost once-off or periodically ?

o-charts.org/shop/en/oesenc/33-au.html
35 Euro =56.7357AUD


Also read the conditions ....
o-charts.org/shop/index.php?id_cms=3&controller=cms&id_lang=4

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Karsten said..
A few votes here for OpenCPN, and some for Navionics.

I understand that you get chart data included with Navionics and that is really what you pay for periodically.

But those using OpenCPN (and there are a few here), where do you get reasonably up-to-date Aus East coast chart data, and what does it cost once-off or periodically ?

Swings & Roundabouts...

Navionics is great portable and you don't need to find maps, or depending no external GPS ... just a Credit card.
Opencpn, free, mainly pc based, or android?? Mac, Linux (Raspberry), then you have to get a gps unless gadget has built in, then 'Find' free maps... unless you paid ?30 for 2 licenses for Oz. License can't transfer or be cloned, so if your hard drive crashes or new gadget.... new license.
But you can hook up to all sorts of stuff for information/data and good for planning. Can be made portable with wifi/Bluetooth etc...

Navionics -easy, reliable, fast, portable and enough for most punters
Opencpn- Needs some work, just not a app download. However is powerful with the right setup and a understanding that is a continual evolution freeware that can have its moments and can need basic computer know how.

Then there's all the super $$ Maxsea Alice type stuff that the commercial dudes can use.

Choose what suits your needs, be happy with it, and if it costs $30-50 a year..considering it's a fun gadget to have... if you have a boat, you'll be spending more than that on less useful fun stuff

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LooseChange said..

Karsten said..

o-charts.org/shop/en/oesenc/33-au.html
35 Euro =56.7357AUD

Those S63 charts are fairly accurate on the river, not as accurate as the MSB ones which are spot on. Way more accurate than the admiralty charts.

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Ramona said..

Those S-63 charts are fairly accurate on the river, not as accurate as the MSB ones which are spot on. Way more accurate than the admiralty charts.

The S63 standard has nothing to do with the accuracy of the chart, those are covered by S-57 and S-58.

S-63 covers data theft of the chart, selective access to those areas of the chart you have paid for and no more than that and finally it is an authentication check that the data has come from a reputable source.

As for chart accuracy it could be as simple as using the wrong datum if you aren't aware of what datum was used when the chart was compiled.

Know your stuff, LooseChange, good info.

The purchased charts for OpenCPN is then not that costly compared to the others. For aud60 you can install it on two devices, and over, say 2 years, if one should die you still have a spare to continue with.
If you go halves with your stepmother it could work out at 15 bucks a year.

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Karsten said..
Know your stuff, LooseChange, good info.

The purchased charts for OpenCPN is then not that costly compared to the others. For aud60 you can install it on two devices, and over, say 2 years, if one should die you still have a spare to continue with.
If you go halves with your stepmother it could work out at 15 bucks a year.

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Karsten said..
Know your stuff, LooseChange, good info.

The purchased charts for OpenCPN is then not that costly compared to the others. For aud60 you can install it on two devices, and over, say 2 years, if one should die you still have a spare to continue with.
If you go halves with your stepmother it could work out at 15 bucks a year.

Any one got screen shots of the new ?30 charts for Opencpn? I'm still running old charts passed along from some old salts years ago... I wonder what the differences are?
Happy to share my old charts, most of world covered, but reasonably big file, not for email, and don't want a cloud address passing on stuff.

Thanks all for your input.
My question though is specifically about Mobile apps, i.e, for tablets and phones but more specifically about apps for Google/Android tablets.
Early responces indicate that Navionics works well on Apple products, however I have an aversion to Apple.

What I am mainly interested in is having a mobile device on deck for quick reference.

I have a Garmin 75 dv Fish Finder/Plotter fitted below with all of Aus charts installed.

Pricewise Navionics seems to be best value on a mobile device considering that one purchase allows installation on several devices.
Is it still reliable.

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cisco said..
Thanks all for your input.
My question though is specifically about Mobile apps, i.e, for tablets and phones but more specifically about apps for Google/Android tablets.
Early responces indicate that Navionics works well on Apple products, however I have an aversion to Apple.

What I am mainly interested in is having a mobile device on deck for quick reference.

I have a Garmin 75 dv Fish Finder/Plotter fitted below with all of Aus charts installed.

Pricewise Navionics seems to be best value on a mobile device considering that one purchase allows installation on several devices.
Is it still reliable.

Navionics runs equally well on Android, I have it on a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1". Whether it continues to run good is dependant on the Garmin gods as they have a propensity to fiddle with things.

You can also run OpenCPN on Android, it is running on the other Samsung 10.1"

For day trips and cruising there's a secret site I use that's pretty good. None of you would if heard of it because it is so hard to find and secretive. You ready. The website is called "Seabreeze" in the weather section. Don't tell anyone I told you.

The only app I have on my phone is SailFreeG.. which is very handy. I think it was either developed by one of our forum members or just suggested. It's basic, just gives the same info as a Garmin handheld. When sailing I just look at the screen on my chart table. It's 22 inches and easily viewed from my seated position in the cockpit. Air mouse is handy for changing zoom etc. though I just use a track ball and keep a couple of miles on the screen The only trouble with OpenCPN in the new version is the SOG numerals are small so the app on the phone is handy then if your curious or tuning for speed.

For the last few years, I have run iSailor on an iPad2, and have found it very good, detailed, easy to look at and do stuff on it. Have found a few errors though, I was once sailing along the footpath at Tuncurry, and there was an uncharted rock off Bustard Head light, right on my track that would ave been disastrous, if I wasn't keeping a lookout.
i made a one off payment of about $55 for the East coast, I think it's now an annual subscription, since Transas sold it to wartsila.
as a back up I also have Navionics on the phone, which I use if I'm not sure of something. Someone showed me navionics with the "community edits" function, that shows detailed depth contours, I was quite impressed with that.