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SandS said..

i think short handed those 40.s would have been a real handfull off the breeze the last few days !!

probs had them reefed down so the auto helm could cope ??

Modern racer pilots will steer open 60's at 30 knots boat speed in 45 knots of breeze and southern Ocean swells!
They are usually just as quick as a good helmsmem, sometimes quicker as they have no fear ??

ok well that not the prob then ..... those 40 foot dingys are still not pulling away from the jeno 36,s and the 11ton beny .... hey must have some other prob .......

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SandS said..
ok well that not the prob then ..... those 40 foot dingys are still not pulling away from the jeno 36,s and the 11ton beny .... hey must have some other prob .......

Actually on a beam reach the wide 40's aren't really quick.
Too many flat surfaces to get slapped by waves and too much rudder angle needed.
A bendy 40.7 is pretty quick in those conditions and and weight actually helps to a point.
Very different to dinghies as you can't sail them flat

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rumblefish said..

SandS said..
ok well that not the prob then ..... those 40 foot dingys are still not pulling away from the jeno 36,s and the 11ton beny .... hey must have some other prob .......

Actually on a beam reach the wide 40's aren't really quick.
Too many flat surfaces to get slapped by waves and too much rudder angle needed.
A bendy 40.7 is pretty quick in those conditions and and weight actually helps to a point.
Very different to dinghies as you can't sail them flat

makes sense , thanks rumble

With only few days to go, Chinese Whisper overtook Morning Star. What an exciting chase. The ORCV did a good job on staggering the start times.

A

yes its a great race ! the orcv are doing a top job !! the coverage on the web is A1 !!!!

They have Chinese Whisper winning all divisions on corrected time and Morning Star 2nd. Guess thats after allowance for ducking cyclone.
I agree great watching tracker

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Andrew68 said..
With only few days to go, Chinese Whisper overtook Morning Star. What an exciting chase. The ORCV did a good job on staggering the start times.

A

Just like drag racing handicaps, awesome to watch although sailboats don't break out of a dialed in time.
The best thing is it allows a close like finish and lets the true thoroughbreds flaunt their stuff .
Maybe they should send an ss 34 out a couple of weeks early for the Sydney to Hobart

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rumblefish said..

SandS said..
ok well that not the prob then ..... those 40 foot dingys are still not pulling away from the jeno 36,s and the 11ton beny .... hey must have some other prob .......

Actually on a beam reach the wide 40's aren't really quick.
Too many flat surfaces to get slapped by waves and too much rudder angle needed.
A bendy 40.7 is pretty quick in those conditions and and weight actually helps to a point.
Very different to dinghies as you can't sail them flat

Kinda disagree Rumble, which makes me pause, as you seem more experienced than me. My own observations: my wide'ish 40 loves reaching, more so than running, as long as you have wind. I need 15 knots to start seeing a marked difference in boat speed to a First, as this is when the hull starts to plane.
We've held a Lyons 60 on a reach at Hammo, and will horizon a first 40.7 or Sydney 38 in anything over 15 knots reaching.
Flatter is faster absolutely, on anything beyond close hauled (where you definitely want heel), but regardless of the heel angle the dual canted rudders give excellent grip on a reach. Most skinnier boats are depowering to reduce heel /leeway and keep the rudder biting when we're still putting more cloth up. The helm is always dead neutral when reaching if you're trimmed right.
Wave slap is loud but does little to effect performance until you get really big seas where you'll feel the stern shove sideways. Until then no rudder movement is needed.

All of the above is the norm EXCEPT in light airs. Hull drag is the biggest issue on a wide 40, I think I have near double the wetted surface area of a Syd 38. Close hauled in short choppy seas and light airs is not fun, the more the wave wraps around the hull the slower we get from the increased drag.
It gets even worse the more weight you stack in 'em, even though the boat sinks less than a canoe shape hull will, due to a larger surface area, a 10mm sink adds a {}#^*?* ton more wetted surface area.

If I had to take a punt on why a wide40 is showing sub par performance , it would be because they've stacked a fair amount of weight onboard from provisioning, and the winds are lighter than optimal.

Cheers,
SB

Another example of Handicapping for this exhibition one lap race.
Without the time handicap the race would be nothing.

Wonder how exciting the likes of the S/H would be to track with staggered starts although will not happen for obvious reasons.
Chinese W finished 90 miles ahead of MS with race record

i recon channel seven would make more money covering the finish if it was a sternchaser , than they do now ! better party as well !!

Agreed. A mass finish is much more fun than a mass start.
I'd enter the Hobart this year and damn the cost if it was, it's awesome tussling it out at the finish.
Be SO much better for the slower boats too. Nothing like seeing an entire fleet of bigger boats bearing down on you with the finish line in sight to motivate the crew.
Should be more of it.

Great result for Chinese Whisper and Morning Star. Does anyone know what happened to Lord Jimmy?

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Jolene said..
Another example of Handicapping for this exhibition one lap race.
Without the time handicap the race would be nothing.

Miss the sound of those f1 V8s !

I like the fact that it is two handed.