I'm into my Rebel 100%, just wish it had come with the 08 bar.
Is it true that the 08 bar is shipping without the iron heart and that will follow soon?
I agree it probably is difficult for North to coordinate a release, thank god they dont do cars.
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Originally posted by uturn
These new Naish Sigma Kites have certainly generated some interest!
Approx 10500 hits (in a very short time) on SB Forums re Helix, Cult etc!
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Yes,I did,but you are not allowed to say anything about it !
You will be accused of:
A: Not having enough kite flying skills.
B: Using it in bad conditions when any kite would fall out of the sky.
C: Lying
Not sure about the Helix falling out of the Sky as I flew it in the worst ****ty conditions and was quiet suprised how stable it was and how much the kite behaved itself.
I did choke the kite alot , but that was my fault as Im not used to flying sle,s and most kites choke when it gets below 12knots.
If anything it was the most stable out of all the kites in the air that day as we all stood from the beach watching it and comparing it to other kites.
It also comes down to rider ability, sometimes you have to spend a fair few hours on a kite to properly work it out.
The SIGMA kites, perticularly the HELIX and ALLIANCE can be choked and stalled in super light conditions, this can happen to any 7 strut kite (well and kite really). If you reduce the amount of lift being produced by the foil, then mathmatics takes over, x amount of weight lifted by Y amount of lift, if the ratio gets to low then yes the kite will come down. If you keep the foil working and don't stall it, then I am sure all the SIGMA kites will amaze you with their stability. You can stall any kite in light winds and make it fall out of the sky. If you are a rider who tends to stall kites, then I suggest you just lengthen the back lines by one knot (this takes less than a minute), and if you are still too power hungry, when you set up, put the Front lines on the second knot at the connection point, alternatively, you can just pull on some strap in super light conditions to illiminate the chance of stalling. But it is easier to just fly the kite!
Regards,
JB
all kites do fall out of the sky, if flown in the wrong conditions, there is no disputing that.
However i watched many kites(all of the 2008 variety and of similar size) all been flown by sponsered(or near on sponsered) riders and the naish was the only one to flap in the gusts and repeatedly fall from the sky.
Now, it may have been the guys first go, but he was bl00dy good, and maybe he had set it up wrong or he could have been really spanking it, the conditions were 18-26knts, somewhat gusty, but not overly.
I was just after an honest opinion about its potential hindenburging?
i'd demo one and take some photos, but feel i may alienate myself or have the naish squad after me. 
Be carefull Meerkat as my Jack Russell loves going into underground holes and eating game like you.
The Naish squad is going to get you while you sleep in your hole.[}:)]
Full review coming soon on the Cult just need some descent wind.
I finally got to try the Cult last Sunday. I had already flown the Alliance and the Helix (and to my BIG surprise, turned out to prefer the feel of the SLE to the 5th line (bizarre!)) and was looking forward trying the Cult, having the feeling it could be my favourite.
Undoubtfully.
Knew it within 2 minutes. Was on the 13,5m in very light wind (10-15), and had fun all the way. The kite didn't feel like a 13m and seemed either faster turning or lighter to steer (couldn't work it out exactly) than the Helix 12m in same wind. Anyone's got to appreciate the stability of the Sigma kites (definitely identical from one model to another so far (haven't flown any of them in strong wind)).
Gave few people a run on it and all were amazed how steady the kite was.
It seemed more gentle in its way to power up (much better for my size/weight, wasn't losing my edge at all) and jumped very easily (didn't need to edge as hard) even in light wind (was doing 3m jumps at ease in an average of 12 knots).
The bar feel was great (no bar pressure at all and very direct feel)and the grunt and lift awesome (I couldn't believe how light it was when I read the charts back home... It felt like there were a good 15 knots solid the way I was riding... The arrows however never got there!).
The Cult felt smoother to me than the Helix, somehow generally "lighter", a tiny bit more forgiving as well and much more appropriate to my riding level.
It's definitely my crush in the Sigma range.
I just recieved the Cults today had a look at the Bar and no adjustable stopper , does this feature only come with the smart loop bar and if so when will the upgrade be available.
Kite looks nice , just need some descent wind to test it out.
Had a fly at Brighton late in the afternoon and was super impressed. George took it out for a test run and came back with a big smile on his face.
Saturday looks the goods lets hope the forecast holds up.
Review 9MTR CULT
KITE 9 mtr cult
BOARD 132 thorn
LOCATION Wanda/Boat Harbour
CONDITIONS Surf and flat water 25 to 30 knots se
ABILITY Intermediate
Firstly I will start with the constuction of the kite, I would have to say Naish have improved their quality in this area, leading edge material seems to be of better quaulity , stitching seems to be beefed up in the right places and they remebered to put the patches in the right spots.
Once the kite was launched I felt comfortable straight away and the kite made me want to do things , this has only happenned once before and that kite was the 07 torch.I could not help myself as soon as I saw a descent wave to launch off, I sent the kite back and up I went , if anyone knows Wanda I was pretty high up looking at the cars in the carpark, hangtime is nice and the landings were soft for a 9 mtr kite which was nice as I have dodgy knees.
Turning speed is nice not to quick and not to fast , bar pressure is light but it gives you enough feedback so you always know where the kite is.Depower is very smooth it is not on off like some bows but very gradual, which I like coming from Ckites.The adjustable stopper works a dream , solid enough to hold a lot of pressure but will give way with a fair bit of force if in trouble.
The feeling is almost like a c kite but not quiet due to the bridals and two pulleys but I would say its 95 percent there.The sigma shape works a dream and geo tech is a step in the right direction and you certainly can appreciate the smooth flying abilities these kites deliver as well as being extremely stable.
Relaunch is quick and easy just pull on a line and the kite is back up in not time, its important that when the kite has turned on its side to give the kite some slack in the lines and it will come up every time.I bought this kite specifically for wave riding and it is a fantastic wave kite and the 20 mtr lines make it super nice for waves, but one thing to remember because the wind window is smaller when doing downloops place the kite a little higher as I crashed it into the water a few times, being used to flying 24 mtr lines.The bar is super comfortable and its good to see Naish have installed a metal bush which will not wear.
NEGATIVE POINTS
The bar set up is messy in regards to the depower starps, I had trouble reaching the depower straps, I will definitely pay the money and upgarde to the smart loop which should fix the problem.
Also you cant beat the safety of a 5 line system this is where bows/sle are not in the same league.
One pump system is great but when it goes wrong extremely difficult to repair , done it once and never want to do it again the hardest thing with the one pump is to fit the c clip washers in to hold the valves.
POSITIVES
The kite is super stable , nice depower and its a kite that does everything well , I think this kite will suit 90 percent of riders.I did try the Helix and liked it but I felt being a seven strut kite it is better suited to flat water and people that want to jump big and have a fast flying high performance kite.
Im not a team rider but have always had naish kites and can honestly say their kites just keeping getting better every year, warranty issues are dealt with quickly and customer service has been great.
In short the Cult rocks and is one hell of a good kite.
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Originally posted by danza
NEGATIVE POINTS
The bar set up is messy in regards to the depower straps, I had trouble reaching the depower straps, I will definitely pay the money and upgrade to the smart loop which should fix the problem.
The kite travels down the line very well , you can really concentrate on riding the wave as the kite follows you, the bar gives you alot of feedback, I was hardly watching the kite, bottom hand turns are a breeze and its true it does not matter how fast you are going the kite maintanis its shape and delivers a very smooth ride.I was a bit rusty and sore today which did not help, but when you go for your bottom hand turns the kite reacts that quick that as you smack of the lip you then turn the kite and it pulls you around so quick and smooth that your ready to go again.
With my torch I would have to turn it alot earlier to achieve the same result.The wind was very gusty and most guys were on twin tips as we had gusts ranging from 22knots going to 32 knots.
That nice bloke Danza let me have two goes on his kite the same day at Wanda - cheers Dan.
I'm not a Naish flyer and had gone off the Sigma's due to all the hullabaloo. I was having a terrible time on my Waroo 9 2007 a bucking bronco of a kite that makes you feel nervous almost every time I've used it. The Cult however was really nice. Everything my Waroo 2006 kite is but better - it was like putting on well worn slippers. Took 60 seconds to like it. Quick but not stupidly so but also quick without yanking your arms off. The kite is about control, easy to get just the right amount of power, very stable, tells you where it is, does'nt do anything wierd, just easy to fly. It's very gentle in thumping gusts and very smooth in all manner of flying. Boosts suprisingly big, pulls you up slowly but hangs you for a long time. Very good as a wave kite I think, depowers very well and moves down the line without fear of dropping. For the first time that day I could think about doing some moves rather than trying to control the kite.
Disliked the mess of ropes and stuff to fiddle with at the drivers end but thankfully there is so much depower on the bar you don't need to reach 4ft to get to it. The thought of the Octopus system is a real downer for me re repairs though.
Although the power delivery is smooth I can vouch for its power in the wrong hands..err mine....it kitelooped and gave me a right spanking (driver error) in 30 knots just to remind me to pay some respect.
All in all I'd be very tempted to buy one.
Cheers Dan - Is that where my money went?
Yep its all gone on that new kite and its money well spent.
Now I have to earn a little more so I can go and buy my fish.
No doubt about it Al your the king of backroll kiteloops in 30 plus knots that looked spectacular.
