Rattlehead said...Kitepower Australia said...dave...... said...Hmmm, So a new kite that youve never tested is inferior based on it is a refined 19m Speed? My 2007 rebel was crap, it rolled on its back and was gutless, all rebels must be crap??? Wrong, the only thing thats crap is the price, yep Ive TRIED the 2011 and if the 2012 is more refined WOW. Eppo, I'd love to swap chicken loops one session.
Do you advise your customers to try before they buy? That's what Marvin is trying to say. Dont make an opinion on baseless history, it discredits your opinion and wont win you friends and potential customers. Anyway keep basing your internet ways on ego rather than soul, but remember pride is a volitile emotion and in the end gets you nowhere
He who has the most fun WINS, where have I seen that before?
Dave if you did not have an ego too, you would not have jumped in swinging and pointing the finger.
None of my posts say the kite does not work, actually the opposite.
My original post was a report from me as a witness to something that amazed me, because based on all the hype from the red thumbing supporters here, you would think the 19M foil would smash a 15M bridled C kite, but again, the opposite occurred and the 15M bridled C kite performed much better. That was the point I raised for discussion.
Some of the reasons for that result have been acknowledged, and like Eppo, after years and thousands of hours on foils, I'm of the same opinion, no thanks to foils for light wind on the water.
There are people who live in far away places where there is no local kite shop, they do get light winds and they are thinking about a light wind option - they should have the right to hear the other side of the story, not just the hype from the importer and his cronies.
If people want to blow large $$$$ on a light wind foil without demoing it first and convince themselves they have the ultimate light wind weapon, they should go for it, because there is nothing as convincing as real life experience.
There are around 25 kites and 15 boards available for demo at KP Sydney. This massive demo fleet includes race boards and large inflatable kites with real world race winning and light wind track records - no foils.
Gutless people that hide behind anonymous names and tip tap type away in support of their mate or their gods brand are w^nkers.
Thats another one of my opinions, LOL.
Steve ,I've bit my lip until now . Now i , and possibly most of the readers of this thead are now of the opinion you are the biggest tosser on here.
I've asked nicely that we keep this Thread clean of all bull crap and arguments ,but you have chosen to ignore my wishes. if you want to start a big foil v's pump up thred ,,start up a new one on the general discussions forum,if your not sure how to do that ,let me know I'll set one up for you.,
I take great offense you have turned this into a sh1t slinging match between yourself and Marvin , who I will clarify I do not have any affiliations with ,so your statement about Marvin and his cronies hyping up this kites performance deeply offends me. I didn't want too get involved in your crap ...........,,,,
Then you have the Gaul to spruk up your own shop and your own demo gear.I could not give a crap if you were born with a foil kite hanging out of your butt , it's obvious to me your whole option is commercially motivated , and I've been watching this type of crap from you for years not only on seabreeze but on other forums around the world.
Like I said if you want to pedal the CRAP you sell , start your own topic
Just to Clear up a few of your hyped up misconceptions
1, you say foils are more expensive than pump up ........the kite I have reviewed is comparable in price to a large inflate.........BUSTED
2, you say if you drop a foil in the water it will sink..........Steve come on even you should know better than this.....anyone who knows what they are talking about knows that a foil will water relaunch easier and in much,much less wind than an inflatable kite....I know what I would rather be on in marginal conditions.".........BUSTED
3, you say if a foil kite is damaged (you keep pressing on the point about blowing out a cell )WTF it's a low wind kite as you state they are really slow so you would have to crash the kite into the road or a tree to bust it , I could say something nasty about a brand you sell which is attracted to trees and roads ,they especially like roundabouts up here....but I won't......as for fixing them I have talked to kite repairers who have stitched them back together when they have been torn in half ,people I have spoken too said they are easy to fix?..........BUSTED
4, you say a bridled 15m c kite (which is a pretend c kite anyway )makes as much power as the aforementioned foil .........yeh right ....if you young bloke was going in say 10kts on the c kite ,he would be powered in 6-7kts on one of these kites ,you say yourself in your own words the is only a few knots in it ....well a few knots is in many cases the difference between blasting around ,upwind ,down wind ,all over the place ,and standing there looking like a tool swinging your kite all over the sky just to keep it in the air....even if you could get going in nearly the same amount of wind ,,which is highly unlikely a foil will power through the lulls and is a park and ride style of kite,,,the kite you mention you would be signing the absolute crap out of ,,,,yeh that's great for cruising...............again. BUSTED.
5'you say you have thousands of hours experience on foil kites.........I could not give a rats ass .....from what I see / hear your main agenda is to push your brands ( as crap as they are) onto Any one who will listen long enough ....as I said above your opions are commercially bias , your competition has just as many rights to voice their opions as yourself. I bet if you sold these kites you would be talking them up on every forum all over the world ,,,,,,just like you do with your stuff....
If the moderators close this thread (i,m guessing this is your plan) ,,,I'm going to hold you responsible for inciting so much rubbish.....
Love jay.[}:)]
Agree jay with kp slipping in his shop and demos kites, I smarted a little on this. I also agree that there is a myth about foils, they are indeed easier to relaunch off the water, with the old warriors you used to just chuck away the bar and up she came. But you don't have forever, they i will fill with water given enough time and in the hands of the inexperienced.
However you could have countered kp opinions above without the accusative language, like you are the biggest tosser on here. Is that really necessary? The points you made above are quite reasonable, you'd be far more effective destroying his argument with detached precision rather than calling him a tosser.
And threads always flow into different areas, that's the beauty of the net and this forum. A lot a threads move away from the main intention, and thats whe we find some gold, mostly crap but that's okay to. It's called creative interaction and it should be fun and active.
Both you and kp need to take a chill pill, stop using language that becomes personal and state your arguments. Then again one module argue that if this forum is the flowing of free information then maybe I shouldn't put parameters on how you communicate.
Also true on the light wind comment about me, I was wondering when someone would pick that up, he he he
Ps I still stand on my view of foils, both light, medium and high winds, No good.
Rattlehead
> 9 months ago, 24 Oct 2011
