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Mako King and Mako 140 sublime...

Created by eppo eppo  > 9 months ago, 17 Jan 2013
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eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

17 Jan 2013 4:05pm

Rider: (14 seasons)
Style: Freeriding, Surf,
Weather: 18 to 25 knots
Build Quality: 9/10(fins could be more sharper and more profiled in my mind)
Satisfaction: 10/10
Disclosure: (eppo team rider)

Mako King and Mako 140 sublime...been riding the king for a month or so, now the 140 so here it goes...

Well I was looking for a light wind option. Bought a sector no good for me. Then a choptop light wind, nah. Had a go on a skim, no I'm not mark shinn ( that guys is a damn freak on a skim). Read some small post on the fifth page in on some random no name forum and someone espoused the virtues of the mako king. So thought Farq it and got one. It was a punt that payed off and from my buy and sell history this has got to be a first. Those who know me are laughing right now! Shut ya face!

When it arrived I thought dear god what have I done. Weird as concave, rounded edges at 165cm, just looked like a big penis. Comes with just a deck grip and surf straps as that is its intended purpose. Three 100 mm surf fins and two 56's. So I banged them on and hit the water, with a slight mutant stance.

Well one word. Smooth. Another. Farqin fast, oh that's two.

Dont hear much about these board locally and for the first times a few years they have a newish design by tucking in the rails. They really are tucked hey. When I overlayed my shinn monk 41cm from the top it looked wider than the 45cm king. Turning them over back to back then you can see the difference. Obviously an optical illusion but you see my point.

So what about the tucked rails. Well I can only suggest, as I'm no board designer, but it must contribute to the immense load you can lay on this rail. First time I rode it in the ocean as usual, it was only 14 odd knots on my 11m edge, was cruisin upwind no problems. Then the wind slowly filled in to 18 to 20 and I thought, I suppose this is where I should be going in. But alas, as the wind picked up, as well as the incredible apparent wind of the edge, the more I layed into the rail, the more it bit. So then I started to pull the trigger, release and there and then I knew this large looking penis board could pop and load unbelievably well.

In the meantime I had sold my cardboard wave ( to ya for this board) and my shinn monk ( looking for a 130 forever, bought a size too big for this 74 kg frame on an edge), and I'm down to just this board. Wind hits 20 plus, into the mid twenties, so out comes the nine and same thing. Fast, smooth and yet highly rigid with a big ass biting rail to load and pop. Yet when the wind dropped, cruised and pointed crazily upwind. I was now throwing down all that I throw down in my gangnam stabber dog style on what sounds like a big board. Ah finally this is what I was looking for.

But it doesn't feel big, it feels really small underfoot. Look its no sector, its no fly door but its good enough to get me going and having fun in winds that I think are worth having fun in. And it is sooooo much more dynamic. Its like you are riding on a film of glass, incredibly fast, totally in control that then has a rail that will bite the waters ahead off if need be for gust control and more importantly loaded jumps. What has me stuffed as how such a rigid board with little flex can be so comfortable. Here lies some engineering marvel I presume.

A mate of mine got on it and said straight away yep I want one. Perfect cross over.

By now I had dropped the fin size down to 56s up the middle and two 5
Cardboard 50s on the side. Now this thing was really singing. Keep the big fins for the rare and few big wave days we have. Still allowed me to ride it strapless if i wished. In the waves....

It has the ability to be ridden flat engaging the fins which gives you great tracking control down the face, and then by moving onto your rails, it bites and gets you back up and around the wave face. Yes it's not a surfboard, it has its own feel. But its not a TT feel either, nor is it like any mutant I've tried either. It has a real tucked in and connected feel to the wave depending on whether you employ the fins or the rails or a mixture of both. You really have control of how much slippage you require. The best feeling is when you just park and ride (it is big enough for this), lock into the face and head straight down the line in the pit of a wave. Like a SB I suppose, but hey it's not. Its better! In my humble opinion of course. Lol.

Here's the big kicker for me. THERE IS NO CHANGE IN TECHNIQUE GOING BACK THE OTHER WAY. NONE, NOTHING. The concave must have something to do with this I presume.

By now my TT instincts had kicked in and I installed a couple of shinn pads using the OCean Rodeo straps ( they are really really comfy), and had it set up slightly mutant style. Oh man this is when the fun really began.

Got my mate on it, he wants one, period. Here's a cool little ditty. Young bloke whose a mad surfboard rider/REO kind of dude whose awaken to the fact that the big surf days are numbered in summer ( go figure, der) only been at it six months but been surfing since he was 4. Anyhow didn't click with any TTs I put him on. So he takes the king out on his reo, and when I was boosting over his head (I know its a problem I really go to stop it) I looked way down and saw he was riding the mako strapless. I forgot to mention actually this thing is sweet strapless for all you SB junkies. He couldn't fit his feet in the straps so he just rode it strapless. He had Never ridden strapless before, and I watched him just kicking ass in the small surf coming through. Yeh this dude is an awesome surfer and its is starting to come through now in his kiting. He said, I want one for those crappy swell days (and I thought, but didn't say, oh 80 percent of the time then, ba ha ha ha).

So TT, full directional or mutant, you choose. When wind light throw off the side fins and becomes a sweet TT ride. Very versatile indeed.

Anyhow in the market for a shinn monk 2013 (still am) but this is how much I loved this board, I put forward a future monk purchase and got myself a 140!

I know crazy right. Just took a punt and it payed off. First time for everything I suppose.

Anyhow the 140 (just been on it today as well as three others, ha ha ha), has the same characterises but this comes as a full TT setup. You can mutant the thing but I thought I'd just keep it as a TT. Same smoothness, fast as a crazy horse on crack, same bite but everything is smaller, quicker, lighter. My brother came in and said I want one. Currently ordering one for him. Said quote' this is the best board I have ever ridden'. He's been at it for 5 seasons now has flown and rode all my obvious gear fluctuations some of you are aware of. So his opinion has some strength behind it. The surfer guy got it in the surf today and came in and said, yep its a 150 for me. ( he weighs a bit more than me).

Jesus this thing works in the surf. Sorry to say but better than the cardboard wave, well that's not the entire truth, the wave is very good for a bottom turn and slash back on the wave face....mmm shouldn't compare very different boards really. ****s all over the shinn though in the surf, from a very very big height. Sorry it just does. The same tracking ability down the face as the king, with increased rail bite when you need it is still there, but obviously more quicker and lighter than the king. Loves a right handed to, up and slash, fast hard. You can let this thing slide as much as you want it to. Then you can make it not slide at all. Full control.

Today is a crazy day, that southerly kicked in early and was driven not by a Seabreeze in the morning. Some of the gusts were really up there. At times even on the 9m edge I thought damn this is a 25 knot plus gust here. But no probs bite that bastard tucked rail down and bang the kite shoots forward, you shoot upwind and it s all done fast and yet controlled.

There is one thing that the Shinn beats it and that's loading for a jump. At very high speeds both boards allow, more technique is needed with the 140 set up as a TT only. The back feels like it wants to slip out. It doesn't, it just feels that way. the king in mutant mode doesnt though, which is weird, well not really when you think about it. reckon with a couple of very small TT side fins though, this tracking would increase heaps. But I must be honest here. Then again you can't have it all your way. Also only been my third time on this board. I started to alleviate this feeling by the end of the session today, so early days yet. But yeh I think the monk has its number in this department. But in terms on controlling an edge at high speed they both excel just as good. I would say the mako is smoother though overall, which is a big statement as the monk is very very smooth.

Anyhow I think KSS will be stocking the OR gear in the near future (by the way I wasn't riding any demo gear for KSS here just promoting a local guy)
And I would highly recommend you gangnam stabber dog stylist to give this board a crack. Honestly it is that Farqin good. I'm stoked, big time DUDES, its SICK (private Seabreeze forum joke just recently sorry).

Be interesting getting the 140 set up with the Side fins, might try this soon. But it works so good as a TT I'm not game to change it. The king would be a great surfboard type cross over, the deck pad gives great grip and if you set it up line I have you can actually go strapless as well. In the waves now and then this is what I do. Pretty easy to gybe and switch feet actually if you proficient on a SB.

Anyhow I could write a lot more but damn its long enough. Get on one, seriously.


eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

17 Jan 2013 4:28pm
Sorry just got this text from my surfing mate who had it down the beach...

****en loved it. 150 is definitely the right size for me. Only twin tip I would even consider buying

So smooth.

Sent from my iPhone
ludbey
ludbey

TAS

85 posts

17 Jan 2013 8:58pm
hey eppo, you might remember me espousing the virtues of the mako king on a previous thread about mutants (while you were still in lust with your cb wave) and i said i didn't use it for boosting but that is only because mine is the older version without the wood core, I've been considering a 140 for the bigger days but was worried i might be getting a board that would limit me too a certain style but you sound like it would be very good in those heavy/gusty days for ramping etc but still very good allround. Do you think this could be a 2 board quiver that doesn't leave me wondering about a third option?
cheers tony
Alazon
Alazon

17 posts

17 Jan 2013 6:31pm
Kudos to you for taking the time to write this up and good open review of the Mako and King. Does the Mako come with 3 fins standard (one front and two rear) and you need to buy another one to set it up as a mutant? What sizes are the fins supplied with Mako?
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

17 Jan 2013 7:23pm
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ludbey said...
hey eppo, you might remember me espousing the virtues of the mako king on a previous thread about mutants (while you were still in lust with your cb wave) and i said i didn't use it for boosting but that is only because mine is the older version without the wood core, I've been considering a 140 for the bigger days but was worried i might be getting a board that would limit me too a certain style but you sound like it would be very good in those heavy/gusty days for ramping etc but still very good allround. Do you think this could be a 2 board quiver that doesn't leave me wondering about a third option?
cheers tony




And I still do rate the wave. It's a different board marketed towards the free ride guy who really wants the surfboard feel kind of. The mako is different to this. When you say two board quiver you mean the mako king and the 140. Yeh I think that is a great two board quiver if you were to buy one it would be the 150.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

17 Jan 2013 7:27pm
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Alazon said...
Kudos to you for taking the time to write this up and good open review of the Mako and King. Does the Mako come with 3 fins standard (one front and two rear) and you need to buy another one to set it up as a mutant? What sizes are the fins supplied with Mako?



Ta the gear review is my fav section because we talk about the gear we ride and that to me is what really it is all about. Not everyone can demo gear so info is important. That being said each person has their own take on things so always beware and get a number of opinions.

Now the king comes with three 100mm surf fins and two 56. You can get 80mm surf fins as extra. Just surf straps on the king no pads. But below this the makos only come with two 56 TT fins you have to buy separate any others. Pads and straps supplied. 140 and 150 can be ridden mutant but below this only TT set up is an option as far as I know.
cracknback
cracknback

NSW

56 posts

17 Jan 2013 10:38pm
Thanks for the great review eppo. I have been riding the 2012 135 mako for about 8 weeks now and absolutely love it. I bought direct from OR (Ned over there sorted me out) and wanted the 140 but they had sold out and it was a 2 months wait for the 2013 boards to come in from the factory so I went with the 135.

Initially I needed a bit more wind than my 137 tt to get out on the Mako as whilst it is only 2cm shorter it is a whole whack narrower - it is a 135 x 35 so is a very narrow board when compared to most TT's out there. After riding it for a few weeks now it is the only board I ride - I absolutely love it. They are stiffer than most boards at the moment but the combination of the intense rocker and concave make it glide through the water and it has a very "solid" feel on the water.

My initial feel was like you said - it feels slippery or like it isn't gripping but it does, it is just a different feel, once you get used to it you can really work the edges of the board and load it up.

As said I ordered mine direct from OR and within 4 days it was sitting in my office all the way from the US, the service from Ned and the guys at OR is great. On top of that the board seems to have a really good construction quality and is finished really well. It will be good to see someone in Aus carrying them again!

I am going to get rid of my other TT and get another Mako similar to your setup but with the 135 I cant see much value in getting a 140 and do not have a large kite so not really looking for a super low wind board so think I will go for the 150 which can go mutant / tt as well for those lower wind days. Will be interesting to see how the small differences between the 2012 and 2013 feel.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

17 Jan 2013 9:00pm
Ah yes I forgot toe room the rocker, this with the concave and the rounded edges does indeed make a very rigid board very smooth. Bizarre concept that works. Yeh let us know if the tucked rails make a difference. And yeh agree 150 would be the go. crew need to get on these and see for themselves. Lot of guys comment on the international forum bit see little here.

Yeh I must admit that slipping back board feel when loading for a jump did decrease the longer I used it.
Plummet
Plummet

4862 posts

18 Jan 2013 3:08am
can you do me a favour and measure the rocker eppo?
On the top of the board put a straight edge and get a ruler and measure at the middle from the straight edge to the center.

I'm assuming it is a constant curve rocker?

i'd like to add a little mako into my next board. I think the main factor for the mako's success is the massive concave. so my next board will have increased concave....
Plummet
Plummet

4862 posts

18 Jan 2013 5:44am
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eppo said...

When it arrived I thought dear god what have I done. Weird as rounded just looked like a big penis. Comes with just a grip and straps. So I banged them with a slight mutant stance.

Well one word. Smooth. Another. Farqin fast, oh that's two.

So then I started to pull the trigger, release and there and then I knew this large looking penis could pop and load unbelievably well.

In the meantime I'm down , so out comes the thing. Fast, smooth and yet highly rigid with a big ass biting. I was now throwing down all that I throw down in my gangnam stabber dog style. Ah finally this is what I was looking for.



hehehehe.... i couldn't resist an edit of your write up.....
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

18 Jan 2013 6:00am
Ha ha I do like your new and I proved version. I will try and measure the rocker. It does flatten out in the middle, but hey I'm no board builder so will do my best.

There was that other post on kiteforum about the mako like board from some other designer. I think he had a little less concave and a few other adjustments. Pretty sure you commented on it. Might wanna chuck that in the mix.

For your info from john the designer...

Stoked to see such a great write up!

@74kg I'd suggest you also try the little 130 or 135cm Mako with good power in the kite, just a blast to ride - very edgy and fun, though more demanding.

Also, your comment about finding the tail on the 140 feeling loose when you attempt to jump - drive your weight forward to your front foot and load the rail, not the fins to set up your jump, you will find this feels much more 'tight' and that you are able to really load the board up. I find I can jump bigger on a Mako than any other board.

John Z
Puetz
Puetz

NT

2186 posts

18 Jan 2013 11:58am
... hey Eppo, had my eye on the King for ages now and kick myself I didn't grab a go of one in Bali (the guys were using one as a bigginners board) when I had the chance. You pretty much confirmed my ideas. Agreed, pretty crazy looking board, round and 20mm or so concave (which is my guess why its so smooth) so can track like a train on tracks, good for tired old knees me thinks! Hope you bring it to next Bali trip btw!

cheers,

Robbie

ps all the scrabble you played over Christmas has definetely helped your spelling, your review was much easier to read than your past work
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

18 Jan 2013 10:34am
Yeh wrote it in word first. And yes it needed major corrections!

Yep the king will be coming and a zephyr or 15m cat. Not sure just yet.

I'm sure I will be watching you by the shore while you do yet another 6 hour session! You mad dog. Reckon if I brought a big edge I might beat your can skull in the air record. Lol
Puetz
Puetz

NT

2186 posts

18 Jan 2013 12:09pm
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eppo said...

... I might beat your can skull in the air record. Lol



... teehee, the secret is the more lift from kite going up ramms it down ya throat quicker, might get a bit p!ssy practicing ehy!

... here's a pic a couple years ago you might have seen already, finished beer by the peak of jump btw ...


eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

18 Jan 2013 11:17am
Ha ha you are a crazy mother farqer northerner man!! Wonder if Toby has that on his airstyle video?
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

18 Jan 2013 11:20am
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Plummet said...
can you do me a favour and measure the rocker eppo?
On the top of the board put a straight edge and get a ruler and measure at the middle from the straight edge to the center.

I'm assuming it is a constant curve rocker?

i'd like to add a little mako into my next board. I think the main factor for the mako's success is the massive concave. so my next board will have increased concave....




On the 140 about 3.5cm from centre maybe a tad less. Used a spirit level. Is that about right?

Actually with spirit level on the floor of the shed which is level and board centred over the top more closer to the 3cm mark. Between 3 and 3.3 maybe.
Puetz
Puetz

NT

2186 posts

18 Jan 2013 1:34pm
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eppo said...
Ha ha you are a crazy mother farqer northerner man!! Wonder if Toby has that on his airstyle video?


... yeah Toby,,,,, you got this one in your 500+ tricks???? Oh, and another stipulation, you still got to perform it with a minimum of 4 under ya belt!! 8 plus under ya belt gets you more points!!
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

18 Jan 2013 12:24pm
Its pure Darwinian evolution man. But I'd say it becomes de evolution after 8 beers.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

18 Jan 2013 8:41pm
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Plummet said...
can you do me a favour and measure the rocker eppo?
On the top of the board put a straight edge and get a ruler and measure at the middle from the straight edge to the center.

I'm assuming it is a constant curve rocker?

i'd like to add a little mako into my next board. I think the main factor for the mako's success is the massive concave. so my next board will have increased concave....






And yet when I lay it on the table the rocker height above the table is more like 6.5 cm plummet I really don't know what I'm doing hey?
Mask
Mask

WA

293 posts

19 Jan 2013 11:41am
MAn, ep, Id love to demo your Mako King, But Id have to kill u afterwards as my identitiy would be revealed.

SO if some strange guy/chick comes asking for a demo, DONT DO IT!

BTW IF BWS brought out a mutant it would be the best.
tomme
tomme

VIC

475 posts

19 Jan 2013 2:55pm
was just reading tracks at rhetoric fish shop, there's a crazy board called the mermaids killerby misfit. crazy looking.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

19 Jan 2013 12:15pm
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BTW IF BWS brought out a mutant it would be the best.




Ummm I suppose that is a possibility?
Plummet
Plummet

4862 posts

19 Jan 2013 12:42pm
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Mask said...
MAn, ep, Id love to demo your Mako King, But Id have to kill u afterwards as my identitiy would be revealed.

SO if some strange guy/chick comes asking for a demo, DONT DO IT!

BTW IF BWS brought out a mutant it would be the best.


here's an idea. just wear a mask when you approach eppo.
Chris6791
Chris6791

WA

3271 posts

20 Jan 2013 2:27am
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Mask said...
MAn, ep, Id love to demo your Mako King, But Id have to kill u afterwards as my identitiy would be revealed.

SO if some strange guy/chick comes asking for a demo, DONT DO IT!



For the right fee Mask I can tell you where Eppo's Mako is right now. [}:)]
junglist
junglist

VIC

701 posts

20 Jan 2013 11:46am
Hey eppo

Great review mate.

I am having a good long look at these boards to play around in the small onshore mush at my local. One thing I cant decide on though is the King or the 140. I want to ride this in waves, not really interested in light wind kiting and if I want a boost session just grab the NHP. So thinking the King is the way to go but if you had to pick between them for a wave session which would be the go to board for you?

P.S. Could you PM me the distributer / shop that you bought from (cant find one in Aus).

Thanks again bro for a great review.

eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

20 Jan 2013 10:20am
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Chris6791 said...
Mask said...
MAn, ep, Id love to demo your Mako King, But Id have to kill u afterwards as my identitiy would be revealed.

SO if some strange guy/chick comes asking for a demo, DONT DO IT!



For the right fee Mask I can tell you where Eppo's Mako is right now. [}:)]




In fact there are two makos at this secret undisclosed place and two shinn monks 4 edge kites and wainman smoke and 6m VX. Come and demo them all. Ha ha if ya dare reveal your true identity mr masked man.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

20 Jan 2013 10:21am
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junglist said...
Hey eppo

Great review mate.

I am having a good long look at these boards to play around in the small onshore mush at my local. One thing I cant decide on though is the King or the 140. I want to ride this in waves, not really interested in light wind kiting and if I want a boost session just grab the NHP. So thinking the King is the way to go but if you had to pick between them for a wave session which would be the go to board for you?

P.S. Could you PM me the distributer / shop that you bought from (cant find one in Aus).

Thanks again bro for a great review.




Need ya weight and kite sizes man to advise. Wind range obviously.
junglist
junglist

VIC

701 posts

20 Jan 2013 2:52pm
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eppo said...
junglist said...
Hey eppo

Great review mate.

I am having a good long look at these boards to play around in the small onshore mush at my local. One thing I cant decide on though is the King or the 140. I want to ride this in waves, not really interested in light wind kiting and if I want a boost session just grab the NHP. So thinking the King is the way to go but if you had to pick between them for a wave session which would be the go to board for you?

P.S. Could you PM me the distributer / shop that you bought from (cant find one in Aus).

Thanks again bro for a great review.




Need ya weight and kite sizes man to advise. Wind range obviously.


75Kg Ride a 9, 10, 12 Quiver anything from 18kts to 30kts.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

20 Jan 2013 12:28pm
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junglist said...
eppo said...
junglist said...
Hey eppo

Great review mate.

I am having a good long look at these boards to play around in the small onshore mush at my local. One thing I cant decide on though is the King or the 140. I want to ride this in waves, not really interested in light wind kiting and if I want a boost session just grab the NHP. So thinking the King is the way to go but if you had to pick between them for a wave session which would be the go to board for you?

P.S. Could you PM me the distributer / shop that you bought from (cant find one in Aus).

Thanks again bro for a great review.




Need ya weight and kite sizes man to advise. Wind range obviously.


75Kg Ride a 9, 10, 12 Quiver anything from 18kts to 30kts.





Yep the 140 then at that weight. Which is my weight. Lighter faster and more dynamic than the king as it should be. In those winds the 140. They both ride very similar though in and out the surf. I am yet to put side mutant fins on the 140 as I have had no need As it is excelling in the surf without them. On the king the side fins really work well for grip and turn. Some may suggest the 150 if you are just buying one board though a that is the best one mako board quiver. But I'd only suggest that at 80kg plus. But someone could correct me.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring

WA

3619 posts

20 Jan 2013 1:22pm
Great review (as usual) eppo.
For all the WA'ies we are hoping to have the full range of Ocean Rodeo kites & boards for demo at Kitestock.
If ur keen ring in & give us your no. so we can let you know when they arrive.
They will also be available for demo from the shop.
Already have a smattering of kites that are in big demand & getting way positive feedback. Reviews coming soon.
Mask
Mask

WA

293 posts

20 Jan 2013 1:28pm
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Chris6791 said...
Mask said...
MAn, ep, Id love to demo your Mako King, But Id have to kill u afterwards as my identitiy would be revealed.

SO if some strange guy/chick comes asking for a demo, DONT DO IT!



For the right fee Mask I can tell you where Eppo's Mako is right now. [}:)]


wild guess-LAno???
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