Bearbusa, thanks for the review. Upgrading my 14 - 20knt summer "bread and butter" kite. Love a tax return. bought 10m noise in 2012 knew it was a size bigger but found it closier to a 12m, (wish I'd bought the 8m then) based on bws web the pro 8m suits 70kgs on a 5'10". 14 - 20knts. but understood the pro had aligned back to the general competitor kites sizing? I know not a true indication but anyone laid a pro over another kite of same size to compare. cheers