^^^^^^^10m. This would be your all round kite. If your a beginner you can always pick up a second hand 6m for when its nuking later on.

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dave...... said...

^^^^^^^10m. This would be your all round kite. If your a beginner you can always pick up a second hand 6m for when its nuking later on.

Right on.
For SE QLD definitely go the 10M. Its more like an 11M+. Should suit your fickle & light winds perfectly. Could go the 12m but I havent flown it yet ??? Working the 10 would probably get you going almost as early & probably more fun?

BWS is anything but a beginner kite. It reminds me a lot the Slingy Octane....which they have discarded from their range.

The depower is pretty efficient but when fully released, the bar is unreachable. The only way is to use the stopper ball but then you're loosing most of the depower which is ok if you are advanced but once again not for a beginner.

I also noticed when used by beginners this kite stalls a lot. Due to the fact beginners like to keep the kite at 12.

All the premium brands have several models within their range and some specifically designed for beginners so if they spend load of money in R&D there is a reason. BWS noise is designed for advanced "WAVE" riders and nothing else. The ones who tell you otherwise are just liars... You'll see those kites a lot in WA but it's very likely for a matter of local proudness.... as you will not see them anywhere else.

For sure the price is good but it's probably better to go for a discounted 2011 kite designed for beginner rather than one these advanced kite.

Someone on this post mentionned about the Ozone Catalyst, which indeed is out of the subject but such a good example to demonstrate that there is some good wave kites suitables for beginners.....

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jobic said...

BWS is anything but a beginner kite. It reminds me a lot the Slingy Octane....which they have discarded from their range.

The depower is pretty efficient but when fully released, the bar is unreachable. The only way is to use the stopper ball but then you're loosing most of the depower which is ok if you are advanced but once again not for a beginner.

I also noticed when used by beginners this kite stalls a lot. Due to the fact beginners like to keep the kite at 12.

All the premium brands have several models within their range and some specifically designed for beginners so if they spend load of money in R&D there is a reason. BWS noise is designed for advanced "WAVE" riders and nothing else. The ones who tell you otherwise are just liars... You'll see those kites a lot in WA but it's very likely for a matter of local proudness.... as you will not see them anywhere else.

For sure the price is good but it's probably better to go for a discounted 2011 kite designed for beginner rather than one these advanced kite.

Someone on this post mentionned about the Ozone Catalyst, which indeed is out of the subject but such a good example to demonstrate that there is some good wave kites suitables for beginners.....

Nicely put, but beware, your opinion may be jumped on by the bandwagon !!!!!

Fair suck Tony.
Wheres the bandwagon. You have a post running on the front page on an ordinary everyday 'wave' kite for over 6 mths without anyone from any bandwagon jumping on that "bandwagon" slagging it in any way.
Here we have an anonymous but super experienced and knowledgable poster - of 7 posts - telling us anyone whose opinion is different to his is not only perhaps wrong but also an outright 'liar'. WTF
But wait ... Then he claims that the BWS Noise is "anything but a beginner kite cos its for 'waves' but then claims another kite for 'waves' is just ever so smoochy for newbs.
Sounds a bit suss to me.
Dont you guys think kiters know where anonymous posters - esp those who slag one brand or pimp another - come from. They are not ALL stupid you know.

Keep it honest

Yet to see them perform only in the vids ,they might be good for perfect down the line wave riding , how many of us get those conditions. Alot of backers out there , so many better kites !

Go back to my original post on this phil, i enjoyed the kite but have a single concern, it then became ****fight, i don't like being backed into a corner, i'm not a liar, i do have an opinion though and if people don't like it fine.
Just in case, i work for Kiteboarding perth as an instructor, i have a long running deal with Hold the line kites, AT THE MOMENT i choose to fly rebels and reo's because they are " IMO " the best kites on the market for ME. I had to buy these kites, i "DO NOT" WORK FOR ANY OTHER SHOP, i have got a lot of respect for Darren Marshall , he's forgotten what most people out there think they know time to go to work now, enjoy

Geta grip Tony, Its clear to see, you want to be a high flyer, earn some poins first

I did not say this other kite wasn't suitable for beginner because it is a "wave" kite... but because it is designed for advanced wave riders.... The other one I mentionned is just an example of a beginner kite which perform well in waves too, as there is a lot of them on the market.

Let's be honest with the newbies, plenty of good kite to begin with that could also get them in waves.

If a newb come to you saying after his lessons he "thinks" he's gonna be freestyle oriented are you gonna sell him a Fuel or a Torch? I don't think so..... Same for the waves guys. All the schools claim that kitesurfing is about 80% of kite control, so even if this guy has a solid surfing background do you really is gonna be a wave killer straight away?

We are not in 2005 anymore, plenty of choice on the market to get safely started with... This kite is just not one of them.

>>> Walks
I wasnt picking on you mate - just picked up on your "bandwagon" word in relation to the anonymous expert of 7 posts.
And - yep mistakenly used the words 'you have a post running....' Should have said 'we' as in we here at SB. Wasnt meant you direct.
>>> jodic
where does it say BWS NOISE is for 'advanced' wave riders - it doesnt.
I agree the fact that there are heaps of great kites out there. For eg. Newbs & olds alike should have a crack on the V4 Kahoona - awesome all-rounder (demos around this week) But the question was:
Will the BWS Noise suit me as a beginner.
The answer is most definitely YES - anyone who says otherwise is a liar .

Some of the surf specific characteristics of the BWS NOISE are:
- it goes where you want it to - when you want it to. ie direct & responsive
- it stays where you put if thats what you want it to do. ie stable
- its not too fast - in waves most dont want a kite that acts like a mosquito
- its not too slow - when you want it to move it moves - quick.
- medium bar presssure - ie excellent feel for kite position through the bar
- it relaunches with ease (just like 100 other kites today)
- it has one of the cleanest and most simple bars on the market.

ALL these (and more) are what makes it work in waves - advanced or otherwise.
ALL of these are also exactly the sort of attributes that make the BWS NOISE a GREAT beginner kite.

And if u weren't a grey ghost in the clouds Id be warning you about referring to people as "liars". Some of us take that as a very offensive and serious charge.

YO AIDSBIN HAVE YOU BOUGHT A F****N KITE YET.
DISCLAIMER. THIS IS MEANT AS A JOKE AND NO BITCHY COMMENTS WILL NE REPLIED TO

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SugarQube said...

Geta grip Tony, Its clear to see, you want to be a high flyer, earn some poins first

the last thing i need is advice from you ray,
the only high flying i want to do is on a kite, MY HOBBY (something you do in your spare time)
When your back is up things get said in the heat of the moment, we are all entitled to an opinion, if i've upset anyone,

depending on your size i would go a cabrinha switch blade or a crossbow

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green menace said...

Yet to see them perform only in the vids ,they might be good for perfect down the line wave riding , how many of us get those conditions. Alot of backers out there , so many better kites !

Agreed entirely. But I reckon it would still serve as an okay beginners kite.

^^^^^Yep. Spot on. After talking personally to Ben and Ryland face to face, those in the Know it is not an Octane, is is a redesigned Rev (3), without the issues of bridle wear, as the front pully is not there etc. He wants to ultimately do waves and a switchblade is not a good choice, the old 7m Crossbow was ok, but you had to he subtle on the bar when redirecting it in side-on conditions. The BWS can jump quite well, and is not an advanced wave kite, it is designed for ease of use in the waves. In its wind range it relaunches perfectly. As Puppet said, a kahoona will relaunch slightly better as they relaunch in any wind given the more delta shape, not wonder it is the worlds biggest selling kite. Id say the RPM, REO, or drifter is more for advanced wave riders who dont drop their kites in the surf, for price point a Kahoona or BWS is perfect to learn and progress on. Just my 1 cent.

Disclaimer: I used to work for Woodys, but go to all demo days, I have 3 different brands of kite that work well for me in different conditions.

OOps, not you Eppo

Are yes, used to work for woody's, and choicey, last i heard you were buying the shop, what happened

Yes I did, Phill got the nod after a lot of interest from industry and so he should, please PM me if you have any issues, Spreader Smith, a guy who cant put his reputation where his internet mouth is, and is not constructive to the sport/hobby, Ive read your posts, protragonist???? I was going to go into partnership with Greuzi, enough said. Slander and defamation is contrary to the seabreeze forum rules. He who has the most fun, wins.[:)

Though mostly essential bridles n Tits will always create problems

-------Puppet
Mate, I still disagree with you, but sorry about the "liar" I should have chosen another one....no offense mate!

I saw a guy teaching at pt walter a few weeks ago with a BWS and honestly it was a bit of a struggle for the student to manage the power on that one. Relaunch was ok but not smooth at all, probably good in wave I agree on that...
The bar is clean and simple as you mentioned but like you said, a kite like the Kahoona is way better for a newb so why don't you advice that one instead of being stubborn about the BWS. It's gonna take at least 6 month (and probably much more) of practice to this guy before he can tell what he wants from a wave kite so why not giving him a fair advice?

some people have no idea what they are talking about- the noise would be a great kite for a beginner or rider of any level. most kites these days are user friendly and are very safe, the noise included. he didnt ask whats the best kite for learning just if it would be a good kite and considering he wants to ride waves you cant go wrong , especially for the price of a 1 year old kite you can pick up a brand new Noise.

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jobic said...
I saw a guy teaching at pt walter a few weeks ago with a BWS and honestly it was a bit of a struggle for the student to manage the power on that one.

Wasnt one of ours and that simply means he was given too big a kite.

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Relaunch was ok but not smooth at all, probably good in wave I agree on that...

students quite often perform unco relaunches

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jobic said...
a kite like the Kahoona is way better for a newb so why don't you advice that one instead of being stubborn about the BWS. It's gonna take at least 6 month (and probably much more) of practice to this guy before he can tell what he wants from a wave kite so why not giving him a fair advice?

A large majority of our students are pointed to kites other than the BWS NOISE simply because they are better suited to kites with different characteristics. If they are not heading towards surf as their only kiting interest then there are often better options. We match student to gear - without favour to any of our suppliers.

And with regard to the ease of flying - sure there are more basic kites to teach on but ALL of our students are offered the opportunity becoming accomplished kiters before even stsarting to fly full size kites.
For beginners who can already do whatever is asked of them on a full sized kite then its my opinion that the BWS NOISE becomes an ideal teaching option because of the characteristics I noted earlier - which also make it a great wave kite for all levels of wave riders - its not designed just for advanced wave riders.

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-------Puppet
Mate, I still disagree with you, but sorry about the "liar" I should have chosen another one....no offense mate!

I saw a guy teaching at pt walter a few weeks ago with a BWS and honestly it was a bit of a struggle for the student to manage the power on that one. Relaunch was ok but not smooth at all, probably good in wave I agree on that...
The bar is clean and simple as you mentioned but like you said, a kite like the Kahoona is way better for a newb so why don't you advice that one instead of being stubborn about the BWS. It's gonna take at least 6 month (and probably much more) of practice to this guy before he can tell what he wants from a wave kite so why not giving him a fair advice?

Taaching anyone in gusty conditions to relaunch is a glusterf@&k, As Ive said in previous posts, I refuse to teach in those conditions as the student has enough on their mind. The Rev and Rev2 were superb standouts back in the day and the kite is more refined, Just like the Kahoona V1 Vs The V3, (havent tried the V4). His origininal post he wanted to get into surf as an experienced surfer. sure 95% of kitesurfing is about control of the kite, so please tell me whats wrong on teaching on a kite that you want to use. Go down to Attadale in an easterly, when guys want to get some money to "teach" , Airrush, Takoon, Slingshot, Cabrinha, etc must be all crap kites as they fall out of the sky, mabe 15knots windrange for a beginner is the answer. "bars are just the handlebars for a kite". Vortexes leeward dont make for a good lesson. A kahoona, or a BWS are great price options so I agree with you on one sentence.