Gateman you are correct I do load up the left side of my bar a lot more than the right.

Lol- rather than jumping and looping- it's more like bunny hopping 1 to 2 meter wads of whitewater on a starboard tack and aggressive body dragging after a surfboard on a port tack!

I should use the bar the other way round but due to a wind shadow ideal for self landing it isn't practical with the y split on the core bar. The high split means self landing is only practical on one of the two front lines. It is possible to overfly the kite in a wind shadow and use a rear line after it Hindenburgs, but a little sketchy especially with the release working on the other side of the window.

Yes! I should swap the rear lines and the pigtail colours and then retune the bar. Been on the to do list for 6 months, unfortunately I worked out it only takes 5 seconds to rest the kite on the appropriate side of the window push a floater move a knot and relaunch without properly landing the kite.

The whole low y vs high Y debate is also with considering here.

The difference between the Ozone low Y and the Core sensor high(er) Y is approx 3? m . This makes angle of the front lines slightly wider at the riders end and slightly less at the kite end for the high Y set up. compared to the low Y
Surely a high Y set up on 18 m lines compared to a high Y set up on 24 m lines does change those angles. - any mathematician want to work the trigonometry to give a definitive answer. The distance between the front line bridles is a constant so lengthening the lines has the effect of doing what a low Y set up does... (doesn't it?)

I am flying my core kites on an Ozone low Y and was actually talked out of buying the sensor bar buy a reputable core retailer who said the difference would be barely noticeable (if at all). Significant as there was nothing in that advice for them . I wasn't buying another bar instead of a core bar.

It has worked for me (disclaimer - I am an old average(ish) rider so a pro might notice some difference) and the kites have not fallen out of the sky or behaved erratically . The kites have felt very smooth and have controlled power.

However my point is that the Core Y set up vs an Ozone set up may not have as much difference on the angle of the lines at the kite as the difference between short lines and long lines on same the high Y bar.

The ozone bar set up is clean simple , intuitive to release and (for me ) always works to QR. (that core ceramic bearing does sound nice though)

So any bored self isolated kiting mathematician want to work that out? ( all the Victorians are probably enjoying our slightly used gale today - if they are allowed out to play)

That's my kiting conundrum for the weekend - and yes there is no wind today .

This was very interesting to me. I and a friend have had our cores for a little while and both had some scares with almost similar situations to those you mentioned.
I have also noticed some additional issues releasing when the lines are twisted after a kite loop. we have both been wondering we were the only ones?
Definitely doesn't explode into depower like other brands on release.
A shame because we love the kites.
maybe someone who knows the brand well could explain the system better?

Anyone got a PDF copy of the new ISO standards please? Happy to pay a "reasonable" amount too, considering it's $162 to order direct from SA.

www.techstreet.com/sa/standards/iso-21853-2020?product_id=2103535

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simon78 said..
.... The high split means self landing is only practical on one of the two front lines. It is possible to overfly the kite in a wind shadow and use a rear line after it Hindenburgs, but a little sketchy especially with the release working on the other side of the window.

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The safety line would be fixed at the bar end, but you can attach the kite end to any side you like. My safety lines have tags and I choose which side to connect to based on the direction the kite will be facing when I come in at the end of the session.

I used Cabrinha kites for years with the old high-Y two front line safety system. It was easy enough to bring the kite to the edge of the window then yank the centre line to hindenberg the kite down onto the sand. That worked fine in anything up to 40 knots.

The "use the safety leash" method of self landing worries me. It's fine when you have to do it and it's fine making a choice. I fear that people will never put in the effort to learn to self launch and self land reliably.
To self launch and land reliably you need to understand how kites react in all possible positions and configurations. That gives you a heap of choices and options when things go astray. It's not hard to do. We had to learn that way in the early days of kiteboarding because you couldn't go out if you couldn't self launch or land.

Too many people do "this one special thing" because that's what they were taught, or that's what the local expert said to do. If anything outside their experience happens then they are helpless.

Looks like somebody listened...