What is windsurfing??

Rider5 said...

You beat me to it Reflex

WELL DONE KITERS after sailing Scarborough for 20 odd years I've now been banned.
Revenge will be sweat I'll be coming down your way this season with another 40 windsurfers. What fun we're going to have.[}:)]

Sorry didn't see anywhere on the beach that states windsurfers own the water . I am pretty scared of 40 windsurfers who are going to dish out SWEAT revenge . Filthy creatures

My only hope is that this isn't the tip of the iceberg.

If common sense ruled we wouldn't have the ban on this area, as common sense dictates that kiters should not be in the amphitheatre area +80% of the time (and yes that includes when swimmers are out there in winter and some w@nkers reckon swimmers have no right to swim there! WTF?!)

Red thumb me by all means but for gawd sakes anyone that cannot use common sense, share the WIDE open areas and acts the selfish goose by kiting through the amphitheatre area (as several were on Wednesday arvo) deserve a right swift spank.

Thoughts to the Scarbs poleys (and this is coming from I - who copped a boom in the head from a poley in the 80s) who have never really got in my way and managed to use the area for decades with no fall out until we kiters arrived.

Best bet is to sort some kind of segregation in the Brighton area as soon as the ban comes in to avoid any (possibly justified IMO) aggro and friction between the wind disciplines.

For my 2c Poleys should get the spot directly in front of the 1st legal (under new rules) walk way to the carpark.

Poleys have far heavier gear to carry (and some natural justice in it IMO) and we kiters should make the trip 50-100m south - as I have been saying for years when there are punters on the beach.

Time to play nice or start ticking off the banned locations on a regular basis.


Now by all means red thumb away.. if you think kiting is more important than anyone else's activities..and enjoy ya head up ya freckle. While you are at it, see if you can find some common sense up there.

getfunky said...

Red thumb me by all means but for gawd sakes anyone that cannot use common sense, share the WIDE open areas and acts the selfish goose by kiting through the amphitheatre area (as several were on Wednesday arvo) deserve a right swift spank.

Onshore frontal winds OUTSIDE the new exclusion zone and NO swimmers? What to spank for? Maybe just jealous ?

ADD to that during any winter storm there is not a swimmer to be seen and rare to see surfers.

This is not a problem with kiting thru the amphitheater , it's to do with being a threat to injuring others. So even if you are outside the "exclusion" area you can still create much more problems. This is not the end, especially with touroes thinking yellow and red flags mean it's safe for kiting.

I have seen people on downwinders kite thru flag set after flagset.

^^^^^Yet in other threads you say the ban is all because of f@cken kiteboarders.Your words not mine. Knowing that these threads are read by all the public.
Cant play good poler, bad poler depending on which forum your on.

You say you have only seen "close calls" betwen polers and swimmers,
How long till someone is mamed by a huge board with sharp fins?????
Maybe the council wants to stop that before it happends.Is just a matter of time.

Markies Quote
Until kiting came along and some of them caused fkn havoc..... and now we are dragged down too. Thanks very much fellas

Seems like a good idea that any popular swimming public beach that gets crowded shouldnt have fast moving water crafts buzzing through the middel of the public.
If it be jetski,windsurfer,kite or boat.All do damage when hitting a swimmer or surfer.

Its a fricken huge coast line with only small areas with flags and swimmers.

Just because you feel special cause your a poler/kiter/jetski (which is a small minority of the public) dosent mean you can take over a public area.

Even though I hate bans on anyone or anything,,,,,,,seems like its pretty obvious that if its a populated public beach, fast moving watercraft shouldnt be there.

What about last year when you said that you made it very clear to council that it was kiters that should be banned,not windsurfers?

So whos job is it to tell locals they cant swim if its 18knots cause you want to sail??

You cant tell local public swimmers that you are taking a risk going swimming if its over 18 knots????????? "I own the beach now so you are taking a risk"..WTF

This is the Ï am right cause it suits me" attitude that polers and kiters have that is why you are now banned.

If I have worked all day and want to go for a swim to cool off with my kids......"oh I cant,,,its 18 knots and markie is out dancing so its too risky??" Or we might encounter a scary near miss.

If its too risky,,,,,,thats why its banned on a populated beach.

Its banned,unfortunatly ,deal with it.

Yeah , I know , dont feed the old troll

I'd still appreciate someone telling me what exactly windsurfing is. Heard my pop talk about when I was younger.

Then what are all the polers (markie) crying about????? The exclusion zones seem extremly reasonable for public and wind junkies?? Arent they?
No questionable rules of swimmers should be told that if its 18 knots that they are at risk?????
Seems pretty simple,no shades of grey, is it 18 or 16 knots??? The general public are the majority, we are minority

If I had my way,,,,,,,every day that reached 16 plus knots would be a public holiday and no one but wind junkies should be anywhere near the beach if the sands moving.

Na,, its Jo publics fault for not being told that they have had all day to swim, its windy now so if you swim you will be at risk.

The restriction zones seem more like common sence than law........not sure why some of the usaual minority are complaining??????

Also WAKSA can you clarify how far out the exclusion area extends?

WAKSA & WWA met with City of Stirling and Scarboro SLSC representatives this morning to clarify the issues re: kiting & windsurfing @ Scarborough beach.

The meeting confirmed that there are NO BANS IN PLACE (for either sport) but the introduction of a kite/windsurf exclusion zone in front of the Scarboro SLSC and the main beach. The exclusion zone will be in place over the season from 1 December 2011 through to April 2012.

This is a trial that will be reviewed in July 2012 by Stirling, WAKSA, WWA & Scarboro SLSC.

City of Stirling will install relevant signage to explain the respective zones for kiting & windsurfing and will consider installation of markers visible from the water to indicate these zones.

BEACH ACCESS REMAINS UNCHANGED.

As has been the case for many years, WAKSA encourages kiters to launch/land south of the pathway adjacent to the Brighton kiosk and to stay to the south end of the beach.

It was a positive meeting for all concerned - WAKSA & WWA working together to keep beaches open for our respective members - that ain't nothing but a good thing.

getfunky said...


I have never had my sesh ruined by a poley acting the selfish/overconfident/dangerous/ignorant nong.

You obviously haven't kited Gnaraloo, Lano, MR, etc etc
There's dicks in every sport

^^^ Getfunky raises a good point. Lotofwind have you actually kited this beach? Even better did you windsurf it for years, then kite it, so you'd really understand? Easy to pontificate from over there.

Anyway - I did not say we take precedence nor is it "all about me".
Listen carefully - there have been no windsurfer vs swimmer incidents there.
The swimmers mostly p!ss off when the wind comes in. Those that remain are not being run over by windsurfers anyway.
If the Council wants to cover their backside to avoid legal issues, all that is required is a sign warning about windsports in the area.

There has, however been kite vs swimmer / walker / windsurfer etc incidents.

Windsurfers already gave up some area voluntarily so we had a smaller windsurfer area, and a kiter area.
Now the windsurf area is even smaller and we have been forced closer to the kiters. So basically what the council has done - to avoid windsurf vs swimmer incidents which never happened anyway, now we are more likely to have kiter vs windsufer incidents - particularly as the kiters are upwind of windsufers. Go figure.

If kiters kept out of the flagged area then many of the issues would not have existed. Mullaloo, cottesloe, scarbs, leighton have all faced potential bans because idiots kite through flagged areas. This isn't a new law, it's been around for years.

And by the way swimmers have the first right in the water, doesn't matter if it's 1 or 40 knots. Hit a swimmer and you are at fault, no debate.

So it's really simple, no kiting near or in flagged areas and avoid swimmers. There's a whole coastline after all!

Any kiter who reckons swimming should be excluded from a particular beach for kiting/windsurfing what ever is dreaming.

A reasonable and pragmatic ruling by Stirling council, especially with the proposed signage that hopefully not only identifies the exclusion zones, but also warns other beach users that kiters/windsurfers frequent the open areas.

Exclusion zones extend 200m offshore, so one can still do a downwinder down the coast as long as one stays offshore.

The idea of me running down the beach after to a trio off inescure, aggro showpony kiters so as to "self police" some unofficial rules was never going to be a reality. With the new rules taking a photo, calling the life guard or water police will be an effective deterrant in enforcing the rights of all beach users.

Satisfied local.