Couple of facts, crew moan about sharks
sharks keep 70% of people from surfing
surfers moan about volume of crew in the line up
no Sharks = more crew

Well obviously I'm stupid its a wonder I haven't been eaten by a shark .
Ive been up close & real personal a few times with big sharks & they scare me for sure especially when I think about its the one I dont see that's going to get me .
But your wrong bono .
The vast majority of shark attacks are in fairly shallow clear water in the middle of the day.
Its a myth about sunrise and sunset deep water and murky water so all your suggestions for stupid people put them in a higher risk situation.
So obviously we need a better solution.
Than that suggestion.

how can bono be wrong about Perth and QLD shark control? He's a mornington based architect expert. He has already decreed his opinion as fact. Can you not read?

For those that aren't mornington peninsula experts, drum lines differ to shark nets as they have little bycatch, and those that they do catch are often released alive. The only use a small amount of bait so only attract sharks that are very close. They also are effective at catching the bigger sharks which are the real issue.
The wiki link below shows where they were introduced into Brazil and resulted in a 97% reduction in shark attacks and the bycatch had quite a good survival rate
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_line(shark_control)

I'm also wondering whether the solutions are different for different areas, maybe drumlines in open water areas (southern WA or NSW coastal areas) where there are big sharks might be more effective than in an enclosed area like an estuary. I've always had it in my head that for where I sail, a shark attack will be a "mistaken identity" issue, not me necessarily being targeted as food.

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actiomax said..The vast majority of shark attacks are in fairly shallow clear water in the middle of the day.

Yeah, on netted beaches usually with drum lines around.

Drum lines still kill other marine life as a consequence.

I don't think the debatable reduction in risk justifies the policy.

In the case of the SUP in open water sin Queensland, the decision is not for drum lines apparently. Makes sense.

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myusernam said..
Your such an ass bono and an ignorant one. The environment is also entirely different to what you may have read about drum lines in the perth debate. Which is still thousands of kilometers away from you. Name the marine life it kills other than sharks in qld. (Quick go google).

Gee thanks you're an ass too.

This QLD case was in fairly open waters and bays well away from populated areas. All situations are different so expecting the same policy to work everywhere (drum lines) is futile. That's probably why they're not going to deploy permanent drum lines in this area.

Despite increased drum lines and netting in QLD in the last few decades, the rate of shark attacks has not reduced.

Some will always claim more of the same ineffectual policy will change matters.

It's often said one measure of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Surely we just need more money for mental health??? That solves everything.

eat more Fish than chips. Potatoes aren't really a threat

" It's often said one measure of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

A bit like these shark threads .

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Adriano said..

I agree stupid people will debate this for ever

Well the darling child of the so-called "smart drum lines" program in Australia has issues with a shark bypassing smart drum lines and attacking a surfer...

www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-07/ballina-beaches-close-after-shark-attack/10473248

Maybe the mullet we put within 300m of the beach was not enticing enough.

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evlPanda said..
Surely we just need more money for mental health??? That solves everything.

I don't know what Islam has to do with people being killed........oh wait

Never mind

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bazell said..
" It's often said one measure of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

Aaaah!! That explains why Adriano keeps posting on mundane topics and putting his political spin on them.
He is certifiably insane.

Here's something I hate. Journalists who report on recent shark attacks invariably bring Mick Fanning into the scenario with this stupid statement, He went into"Mick Fanning Mode". I'm positive the last thing that anyone would think to themselves as a giant set of razor sharp teeth are about to end it all for them is,

"What would Mick Fanning do in this situation?"

I had a close encounter with a big shark years ago and believe me, you can't think of anything other than the sound of your heartbeat pounding away in your head. Mick Fanning would definitely not be on your mind.

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myusernam said..
Your such an ass bono and an ignorant one. The environment is also entirely different to what you may have read about drum lines in the Perth debate. Which is still thousands of kilometres away from you. Name the marine life it kills other than sharks in Qld. (Quick go google).

Gee thanks you're an ass too.

This QLD case was in fairly open waters and bays well away from populated areas. All situations are different so expecting the same policy to work everywhere (drum lines) is futile. That's probably why they're not going to deploy permanent drum lines in this area.

Despite increased drum lines and netting in QLD in the last few decades, the rate of shark attacks has not reduced.

Some will always claim more of the same ineffectual policy will change matters.

It's often said one measure of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

No dxckhead. Shark nets do catch a lot of bycatch. You are lumping nets and drum lines together. There are many areas where there are drum lines and no shark nets. For example, several of the island bays where trawlers are anchored have drum lines. The big tigers and bulls are naturally attracted to trawlers. Also in these bays, many people swim etc. We pull sea life from every point in the food chain of the ocean except these apex predators. Not commercially harvested but removing the odd large shark that frequents high use areas I'm sure won't break the environmental bank. Perhaps it even restores some balance. We are not talking GWS. They don't even exist here. Tiger sharks and bull sharks. Drum lines are checked frequently by contractors. Any non-target species (of which there are very little caught) are released often still ok. But back peddle all u want. U can't comment about drum lines and use shark nets as part of your argument.
They are two completely different things.
Shark nets are out of favour and being phased out. There are no longer any in Nth Qld that I'm aware of but I'm no Melbourne leftard. I just live here

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rockmagnet said..
"What would Mick Fanning do?"

Is this how religion starts??

WWJD?

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Adriano said..
Well the darling child of the so-called "smart drum lines" program in Australia has issues with a shark bypassing smart drum lines and attacking a surfer...

www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-07/ballina-beaches-close-after-shark-attack/10473248

Maybe the mullet we put within 300m of the beach was not enticing enough.

Were there just drum lines or nets here too?

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myusernam said..No dxckhead. Shark nets do catch a lot of bycatch. You are lumping nets and drum lines together.

Adriano said..

myusernam said..
Your such an ass bono and an ignorant one. The environment is also entirely different to what you may have read about drum lines in the Perth debate. Which is still thousands of kilometres away from you. Name the marine life it kills other than sharks in Qld. (Quick go google).

Gee thanks you're an ass too.

This QLD case was in fairly open waters and bays well away from populated areas. All situations are different so expecting the same policy to work everywhere (drum lines) is futile. That's probably why they're not going to deploy permanent drum lines in this area.

Despite increased drum lines and netting in QLD in the last few decades, the rate of shark attacks has not reduced.

Some will always claim more of the same ineffectual policy will change matters.

It's often said one measure of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

So to borrow your terminology, a dxckhead's response to every shark attack is more drum lines is it?

Wherever people decide to swim and get attacked no matter what the situation, your response is drum lines....

Do we start putting drum lines everywhere in Australia people decide to jump in from their yacht?

Why has the government ruled out drum lines based on the scientific evidence and instead banned swimming in this instance...I wonder?

Are you a marine biologist or shark expert? The measures by which a local QLD dxckhead thinks a Melbourne dxckhead is wrong appear to be based on nothing.

Whereas in fact the rational decisions made by government based on scientific advice appear to support the Melbourne dxckhead's reasoning rather than the QLD dxckhead's - at least in this case.....

Indeed. The confected selfish moral outrage in the rabid anti-shark group is put into perspective when such information as this is provided.

They won't stop until the whole coastline of Australia is drum lined to the rafters and even if it was they'd still say we need more drum lines.

Dumb lines...

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myusernam said..No dxckhead. Shark nets do catch a lot of bycatch. You are lumping nets and drum lines together.

Adriano said..

myusernam said..
Your such an ass bono and an ignorant one. The environment is also entirely different to what you may have read about drum lines in the Perth debate. Which is still thousands of kilometres away from you. Name the marine life it kills other than sharks in Qld. (Quick go google).

Gee thanks you're an ass too.

This QLD case was in fairly open waters and bays well away from populated areas. All situations are different so expecting the same policy to work everywhere (drum lines) is futile. That's probably why they're not going to deploy permanent drum lines in this area.

Despite increased drum lines and netting in QLD in the last few decades, the rate of shark attacks has not reduced.

Some will always claim more of the same ineffectual policy will change matters.

It's often said one measure of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

So to borrow your terminology, a dxckhead's response to every shark attack is more drum lines is it?

Wherever people decide to swim and get attacked no matter what the situation, your response is drum lines....

Do we start putting drum lines everywhere in Australia people decide to jump in from their yacht?

Why has the government ruled out drum lines based on the scientific evidence and instead banned swimming in this instance...I wonder?

Are you a marine biologist or shark expert? The measures by which a local QLD dxckhead thinks a Melbourne dxckhead is wrong appear to be based on nothing.

Whereas in fact the rational decisions made by government based on scientific advice appear to support the Melbourne dxckhead's reasoning rather than the QLD dxckhead's - at least in this case.....

Its interesting how u can read a few articles and then dictate your facts and shout down everyone who opposes your view on any number of topics. I do have a marine industry past and know a lot of marine biologists for what its worth. Hardly an expert. But im on the water a lot up and down the coast and have an opinion. Its not even a strong one. Just yours isn't worth shxt. You speak down to everyone with such authority like your opinion is simply the only one anybody could possibly have and there is never two sides to any argumentl its like u think you're providing a service to everyone.

Check out his pattern. He states a bono fact, then berates anyone who doesn't agree.

I am in the process of procuring a commercial shark quota for Western Australia.
I wanted 2000 units but this is a bit expensive and it is likely I will buy 12-1500 units.
I am looking forward to commercial fishing again

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Adriano said..

myusernam said..No dxckhead. Shark nets do catch a lot of bycatch. You are lumping nets and drum lines together.

Adriano said..

myusernam said..
Your such an ass bono and an ignorant one. The environment is also entirely different to what you may have read about drum lines in the Perth debate. Which is still thousands of kilometres away from you. Name the marine life it kills other than sharks in Qld. (Quick go google).

Gee thanks you're an ass too.

This QLD case was in fairly open waters and bays well away from populated areas. All situations are different so expecting the same policy to work everywhere (drum lines) is futile. That's probably why they're not going to deploy permanent drum lines in this area.

Despite increased drum lines and netting in QLD in the last few decades, the rate of shark attacks has not reduced.

Some will always claim more of the same ineffectual policy will change matters.

It's often said one measure of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

So to borrow your terminology, a dxckhead's response to every shark attack is more drum lines is it?

Wherever people decide to swim and get attacked no matter what the situation, your response is drum lines....

Do we start putting drum lines everywhere in Australia people decide to jump in from their yacht?

Why has the government ruled out drum lines based on the scientific evidence and instead banned swimming in this instance...I wonder?

Are you a marine biologist or shark expert? The measures by which a local QLD dxckhead thinks a Melbourne dxckhead is wrong appear to be based on nothing.

Whereas in fact the rational decisions made by government based on scientific advice appear to support the Melbourne dxckhead's reasoning rather than the QLD dxckhead's - at least in this case.....

Its interesting how u can read a few articles and then dictate your facts and shout down everyone who opposes your view on any number of topics. I do have a marine industry past and know a lot of marine biologists for what its worth. Hardly an expert. But im on the water a lot up and down the coast and have an opinion. Its not even a strong one. Just yours isn't worth shxt. You speak down to everyone with such authority like your opinion is simply the only one anybody could possibly have and there is never two sides to any argumentl its like u think you're providing a service to everyone.

Check out his pattern. He states a bono fact, then berates anyone who doesn't agree.

Is this topic not about the recent attacks on Cid Harbour?

Or is it now about your general obsession with drum lines?

Of course there are two sides to any discussion but, you're the one calling people dxckheads and ignorant asses and you're whining about ME talking down to people!

You're also the person who is promoting drum lines in this case when the scientific advice is they won't work.

Thankfully, the people in charge of the matter have a more considered approach to the matter than you do and have not opted for the knee-jerk drum line false solution.

You've said it yourself, the action required is different in every case and in this case the area appears to be too large for drum lines to be effective.

But drum lines are the answer right......

yes it is. You started it asking why anyone isn't whining about it

then you very first post after you get some responses is

when everyone in the fishing and tourism industry knows drums lines are totally ineffective at anything except killing sharks and other marine life.

The problem is not sharks, it's stupid people.

I suspect the political solution will involve more drum lines amongst other more effective and no doubt less talked about measures - but not because the Labor government thinks drum lines achieve anything other than to appease stupid voters who think they work.

You start a thread but you don't discuss anything even though ur just going off what you have seen in the news, you just use it as an opportunity to berate people with your self-proclaimed superior intellect. So a few news articles and you're an expert who abuses people who didn't come to the same conclusions as you (the same filters that allow someone to think 9/11 was an inside job)

I don't have an obsession with drum lines. But you are wrong about them. I'm pointing that out but you won't listen and want to move on because you want to save face. Read the wiki link i posted. 97% reduction in brazil. Yes i think in very high tourist areas they would help. How could they not? As a large shark rounds the corner of the bay theres a drum line there, ooh a snack. Now he's not there. It lowers the probablility. They're only temporary in CID.

Back on topic I wouldn't call a young girl swimming off the beach stupid. Or someone at the stern of the boat surrounded by other boats jumping of a sup and swimming to the boarding ladder to give someone else a go, even if it was late afternoon. Snorkelling in Cid perhaps a bit odd, but she was hardly snorkelling in low light. There is something odd going on as the amount of bodies spending time in the water there over the years is extremely high. We're talking every day for years. Then to have three attacks in weeks, all very aggressive ones not just accidental bites.

Putting aside your desperate character assassination attempt, the scientific advice with respect to CID harbour is that drum lines would be ineffective.

Yet you still maintain you know more than the experts....one spate of shark attacks in many years and bingo out trots the drum lines knee jerk reaction.

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Adriano said..
Putting aside your desperate character assassination attempt, the scientific advice with respect to CID harbour is that drum lines would be ineffective.

Yet you still maintain you know more than the experts....one spate of shark attacks in many years and bingo out trots the drum lines knee jerk reaction.

i dont need to assasinate your character. How many times have you left the forum n a hissy fit?

Permanent or semipermanent deployment of shark-fishing gear off high-use beaches (which includes drum lines) have been claimed to be successful in reducing the incidence of shark attack at the protected beaches,[18][19] though this assertion has been disputed.[20][21] While shark nets and drum lines share the same purpose, drum lines are more effective at targeting the three sharks that are considered most dangerous to swimmers: the bull shark, tiger shark and great white shark.[9] Drum Lines physically attract sharks from within the immediate vicinity using bait[22] while shark nets allow the sharks to swim over or around them.[23] The bycatch, or unintended catch, of drum lines is considerably less than that of shark nets.[24]Drum lines have been used in Recife, Brazil, in a program in which sharks were moved 8 kilometers from beaches - the local shark attack rate dropped by 97%.[25][26][27][28][29]


The drum line arguement u are familiar with. The one in the press is regarding the GWS issue in WA. Its a western australian debate and an entirely different environment.
Large GWS don't even eat fish. they feed on mammals and they are hunters not scavengers.
And yeah as someone with my background, which i don't feel the need to qualify here for the sake of privacy, I do think I know more than a journo quoting an 'expert' or the guy regurgitating it as fact on a forum

The QLD government has decided against permanent drum lines in CID Harbour partly based on the scientific advice.

It's not what a reporter thinks.

It's the facts.

You think you know better obviously.

Who's having the hissy fit here?

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Permanent or semipermanent deployment of shark-fishing gear off high-use beaches (which includes drum lines) have been claimed to be successful in reducing the incidence of shark attack at the protected beaches,[18][19] though this assertion has been disputed.

Exactly, it is an assertion and it is disputed.

It is not a fact that drum lines are effective at reducing shark attacks. It is an assertion.

If you read the source of footnote 20 how can you claim drum lines effectiveness as a fact? The recent attack in Ballina proves only one thing, attacks still happen in areas even with smart drum lines.

pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/sharks-how-a-cull-could-ruin-an-ecosystem

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Adriano said..

myusernam said..
Permanent or semipermanent deployment of shark-fishing gear off high-use beaches (which includes drum lines) have been claimed to be successful in reducing the incidence of shark attack at the protected beaches,[18][19] though this assertion has been disputed.

Exactly, it is an assertion and it is disputed.

It is not a fact that drum lines are effective at reducing shark attacks. It is an assertion.

If you read the source of footnote 20 how can you claim drum lines effectiveness as a fact? The recent attack in Ballina proves only one thing, attacks still happen in areas even with smart drum lines.

pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/sharks-how-a-cull-could-ruin-an-ecosystem

This is not a report or science, prior to drum lines and culls there was an established Australia wide shark fishery up until 20 years ago.
At the height of the fishery there was over 100 shark boats all with at least 1km of net many with several km of shark net.
Catch records indicate each vessel took over 100 tonnes averaged every year.
In the last twenty years whale and seal populations have exploded and humans have also taken 30% of every available species of fish out of the ocean.

Now there is less fish , more whales and seals and an unchecked shark population.

knocking a few sharks on the head here and there is only going to help the exosystem

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Adriano said..

myusernam said..
Permanent or semipermanent deployment of shark-fishing gear off high-use beaches (which includes drum lines) have been claimed to be successful in reducing the incidence of shark attack at the protected beaches,[18][19] though this assertion has been disputed.

Exactly, it is an assertion and it is disputed.

It is not a fact that drum lines are effective at reducing shark attacks. It is an assertion.

If you read the source of footnote 20 how can you claim drum lines effectiveness as a fact? The recent attack in Ballina proves only one thing, attacks still happen in areas even with smart drum lines.

pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/sharks-how-a-cull-could-ruin-an-ecosystem

it is fact that it reduces the probability, its only by how much. You seem to have problems with anything other than black or white. And i agree they should not be left there permanently. But i have no qualms about putting a dent in the large sharks that are there and hopefully taking out the sharks responsible. I do think drum lines have a place in high risk areas. Like the beaches off port douglas, cairns, townsville and magnetic island, noosa