WOW there are a lot of paranoids out there.
Dose it really matter if some computer program is listening to you hoping you will say a word they are listening for so they can send you an ad for something you might actually want?

I like that " they " are listening to me,
cause " they " are the only ones who do. oh,,,,,, except for the winddancers forum, those old guys over there hang on ever word I type.

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lotofwind said..
WOW there are a lot of paranoids out there.
Dose it really matter if some computer program is listening to you hoping you will say a word they are listening for so they can send you an ad for something you might actually want?

I like that " they " are listening to me,
cause " they " are the only ones who do. oh,,,,,, except for the winddancers forum, those old guys over there hang on ever word I type.

I don't know what we would do without you.
Inspiration , purpose and a will to live , is the gift that you are .

I got an email yesterday saying that someone had accessed my computer and filmed me masturbating.

I've got no problems about the masturbation side of things apart from my eyesight failing (my Dad warned me about that)

The issue I want to know how these clever baskets did it?

I don't have a camera on my computer

They are definitely watching us all the time. This morning I heard watercorp ad on the radio while driving to work. At exactly the same moment a watercorp truck went past.
Coincidence? I think not...

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lotofwind said..
WOW there are a lot of paranoids out there.
Dose it really matter if some computer program is listening to you hoping you will say a word they are listening for so they can send you an ad for something you might actually want?

I like that " they " are listening to me,
cause " they " are the only ones who do. oh,,,,,, except for the winddancers forum, those old guys over there hang on ever word I type.

The point being it changes your newsfeed and recommendations so people become ridiculously polarised in opinion. That stuff has partly caused the massive increase in flat earth believers etc. it's making the world dangerously dumber
that social media doco on Netflix is a big eye opener. Not that I expect u to get it

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Kamikuza said..
Beat me to it -- but it's old news: 2018, this one.
techcrunch.com/2018/11/14/amazon-echo-recordings-judge-murder-case/

That makes it seem like they store a continuous recording of everything the microphone hears, is that right?

So, 2 days running. Last night at dinner, we're talking about maybe getting a spare laptop because we have 5 people in the family that all rely on them on a daily basis, and if one breaks down we'd be stuck. Today, she's getting ads for laptops on her phone. We have one of those "OK Google" digital assistant things in the kitchen.

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Harrow said..
So, 2 days running. Last night at dinner, we're talking about maybe getting a spare laptop because we have 5 people in the family that all rely on them on a daily basis, and if one breaks down we'd be stuck. Today, she's getting ads for laptops on her phone. We have one of those "OK Google" digital assistant things in the kitchen.

Do a test and start talking about bikinis... if you get random ads turn up on your PC, you have found the problem!

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lotofwind said..
WOW there are a lot of paranoids out there.
Dose it really matter if some computer program is listening to you hoping you will say a word they are listening for so they can send you an ad for something you might actually want?

I like that " they " are listening to me,
cause " they " are the only ones who do. oh,,,,,, except for the winddancers forum, those old guys over there hang on ever word I type.

It's not just personal paranoia. This is all part of rampant capitalism, selling heaps of throw a way stuff people don't need.
It must work otherwise companies wouldn't be paying so much for it.

This is helping to fill the oceans with plastic, increase greenhouse gas emissions etc.

No they aren't trying to sell you something you want, you'll probably buy that anyway. They're trying to sell you stuff you don't need.

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lotofwind said..
WOW there are a lot of paranoids out there.
Dose it really matter if some computer program is listening to you hoping you will say a word they are listening for so they can send you an ad for something you might actually want?

I like that " they " are listening to me,
cause " they " are the only ones who do. oh,,,,,, except for the winddancers forum, those old guys over there hang on ever word I type.

Well, at the opposite end of the scale to paranoid conspiracy theorist, we have Lemmings. I would hope most people are in the middle somewhere, but i believe you may well fit into the lemmings end of the scale loto.

wear it like the participation badge it is.

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FormulaNova said..
Do a test and start talking about bikinis... if you get random ads turn up on your PC, you have found the problem!

Yep, we've decided as a bit of family fun to see what we can deliberately force to turn up on our ad feeds just by talking about it in the kitchen.

I just started yelling the word Prolapse into my fone.

I'll give you all an update (no pun intended) tomorrow.

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Yep, we've decided as a bit of family fun to see what we can deliberately force to turn up on our ad feeds just by talking about it in the kitchen.

Last year I was playing a game on the PS4 and talking with someone about the tests they did on the spiders and the affect of drugs on their web-spinning in the 60s (?)...

Said "hang on" and opened the youtube app, and right there as recommended viewing ... spiders on drugs spinning webs.

And today, opened a tab on my laptop today and looked at a web store in Indonesia, that came up first in Indonesian. Facebook is now showing me ads in Indonesian...!

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Kamikuza said..
Beat me to it -- but it's old news: 2018, this one.
techcrunch.com/2018/11/14/amazon-echo-recordings-judge-murder-case/

That makes it seem like they store a continuous recording of everything the microphone hears, is that right?

My understanding is that the mic is constantly hot and input is being analyzed (in the cloud?) for keywords like "siri" so for some time there'll be a record of it, as the device attempts to refine it's capture of your poorly accented English

Anything loud enough and similar enough to "siri" activates her, like the TV or podcasts...

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lotofwind said..
WOW there are a lot of paranoids out there.
Dose it really matter if some computer program is listening to you hoping you will say a word they are listening for so they can send you an ad for something you might actually want?

I like that " they " are listening to me,
cause " they " are the only ones who do. oh,,,,,, except for the winddancers forum, those old guys over there hang on ever word I type.

It's not just personal paranoia. This is all part of rampant capitalism, selling heaps of throw a way stuff people don't need.
It must work otherwise companies wouldn't be paying so much for it.

This is helping to fill the oceans with plastic, increase greenhouse gas emissions etc.

No they aren't trying to sell you something you want, you'll probably buy that anyway. They're trying to sell you stuff you don't need.

Oh your data is worth so much more than the crap they can flog off to you. I'm pretty sure we've discussed this here before... data collected and sold to insurance providers, for example...

I think there is a difference between something in your house that is made to listen to you and your phone.
Yes banks insurance companies etc use/pay for the data. If insurance companies or banks pay for something its only to screw their customers somehow.
Like Kamikuza said the advertising is the least of your worries.
Its also a huge waste of power storing all this data.

Bingo, 3 from 3. I was talking about cooking dumplings last night, and this morning I have ads on my phone for dumpling making moulds.

Every time I have a chocolate or large bowl of ice cream, the kids say "Dad, stop eating junk, you'll have a heart attack". I better tell them to keep it down, otherwise my life insurance premiums will sky-rocket.

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Bingo, 3 from 3. I was talking about cooking dumplings last night, and this morning I have ads on my phone for dumpling making moulds.

Every time I have a chocolate or large bowl of ice cream, the kids say "Dad, stop eating junk, you'll have a heart attack". I better tell them to keep it down, otherwise my life insurance premiums will sky-rocket.

So now that you know the're listening, what are you going to do .?
They track your every move on all of your devices , money transactions , gps ........ Just your phone is a pinpoint tracking device. They could know which toilet your having a pee in at your drug dealers house . It is kinda scary.
Keep all your lovely devices or go off the grid ?
No one will give up their phone.

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Harrow said..
Bingo, 3 from 3. I was talking about cooking dumplings last night, and this morning I have ads on my phone for dumpling making moulds.

Every time I have a chocolate or large bowl of ice cream, the kids say "Dad, stop eating junk, you'll have a heart attack". I better tell them to keep it down, otherwise my life insurance premiums will sky-rocket.

you may have installed a rubbish app recently and allowed microphone use. i think the trashy apps are less scrupulous about what they lusten for, mic on the whole time not just for app etc. android is part of the problem u allow mic for an app wholus bolus not partially.
i kinda like it. its convenient and i dont really care about privacy.
its not 100% though. for example my wifes phone is full of ads for treatments about tiny penisis and she doesnt even have a penis!

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myusernam said..
>>>> my wifes phone is full of ads for treatments about tiny penisis and she doesnt even have a penis!

Well I'd be worried that she's been talking about me with her friends!!!

Is it fair to say your data is only worth less than the profits from the products and services they could sell to you?

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myusernam said..
>>>> my wifes phone is full of ads for treatments about tiny penisis and she doesnt even have a penis!

Well I'd be worried that she's been talking about me with her friends!!!

I think that's what myusername was getting at, although its hard to tell with him sometime.

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Mark _australia said..
The point being it changes your newsfeed and recommendations so people become ridiculously polarised in opinion. That stuff has partly caused the massive increase in flat earth believers etc. it's making the world dangerously dumber
that social media doco on Netflix is a big eye opener. Not that I expect u to get it

If you have found its changing your newsfeed and you are becoming polarized in your opinion or
if you are scared of being brainwashed by the "massive" increase in flat earthers and found its making you dumber..... then unplug, simple.

You probly get lots of flat earth stuff sent to you from years of arguing about it in social media, so "they" think you are interested.

I have watched the netflix "Documentary",
the conspiracy crew eat that stuff up and add it to their nightly meetings.

Bottom line is, if paranoids are worried about it, turn it off, don't use it, simples.

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Imax1 said.
I don't know what we would do without you.
Inspiration , purpose and a will to live , is the gift that you are .

Im always here for you.

You surely are clueless. A few people "just unplugging" is not a way to deal with a societal problem that's growing.

So how do you think we should deal with the "societal problem that's growing" from our devices listening to us........other than unplug ??

Just out of interest, has anyone on here been affected by a TV listening to them? , other than being sent advertising thought to suit them ??

Or have joined the flat earth society etc from there phone listening to their conversations ??

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lotofwind said..
So how do you think we should deal with the "societal problem that's growing" from our devices listening to us........other than unplug ??

Just out of interest, has anyone on here been affected by a TV listening to them? , other than being sent advertising thought to suit them ??

Or have joined the flat earth society etc from there phone listening to their conversations ??

No one gives a flying f*** about the advertising. I somewhat care that conversations that are supposed to be private in my own home are (potentially) being recorded. How much do i care? Not enough to do anything about it. I have found that after talking/texting/browsing dirtbikes a week ago, that i now have heaps of ads about them.

Would you let your neighbours set up a mike in your house and listen to everything that was said?
Probably not, so why is it ok for some anonymous tech company to do it?

Mostly because if your neighbor hears you talking about his wife's tits he's gonna be mad, if some random company hears that they will try to sell you binoculars.

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kk said..
Mostly because if your neighbor hears you talking about his wife's tits he's gonna be mad, if some random company hears that they will try to sell you binoculars.

Haha! You made me chuckle!

On a slightly different aspect about this subject...yes I hate that we are being monitored constantly. It sucks and the biggest thing for me is that;
I. DON'T. NEED. TARGETED. ADVERTISING.

Seriously. If I'm looking for something, I will research the absolute crap out of it. I'll find what I want and buy it, or store the information away in my mind until I am ready to get what I was looking for.

The crap thing about targeted advertising is that after I have looked for what I want, all I see online for the next days/weeks etc, are ads for the thing I already know everything about (place to get best price etc), so the ads are useless and especially annoying when they are for websites I have already visited.

I don't need this information. There has been no time ever that I have been shown an ad for something that I don't already know everything I need to know about.
For me it's useless, I would rather they show me ads for things that are as far away as possible from what I was looking for.

Show me something I haven't thought of dammit!! Something I haven't conceived of.

I refer serendipitous discovery to being shown regurgitated material I have already looked into.