Whats funny is that someone went to all the effort to make that and point out how morally superior he thinks cyclists think they are.

Y'all'd hate Asia...

Tour de France started last night, not sure the 3 million people who watched it in Yorkshire would agree Rupert

Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....

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fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....

What an unthought out comment.

Bicycles were around before cars. bicycles do not pollute.
Bicycles do not use resources etc etc etc
By the way I don't ride a bicycle but I have a lot of respect for people who do.

Cyclists have More guts than me to battle with vehicular traffic in a daily basis. Those that aren't killed by thoughtless drivers deserve a medal.

Yep I am serious.

ET.

Most road cyclists have got attitude. Not all .

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fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....

I thought y'all had that argument already and discovered that road tax doesn't actually pay for building roads... and it's a stupid argument anyway.

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Kamikuza said...
Whats funny is that someone went to all the effort to make that and point out how morally superior he thinks cyclists think they are.

Y'all'd hate Asia...

Is that why they're all asians in the pic posted by Rupert?

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Mark _australia said...

Kamikuza said...
Whats funny is that someone went to all the effort to make that and point out how morally superior he thinks cyclists think they are.

Y'all'd hate Asia...

Is that why they're all asians in the pic posted by Rupert?

Nah they're all too fat and nobody rides 10-speeds here...

Simple, give way to anyone in front of you!
That includes idiots who run across the road, bike riders who think they have a forcefield,
and Sunday drivers. 'Not including any Rolfs'

to expect the roads to be clear when you approach is !.....

Yes, I'm a cyclopath. Check out my new electric bike shopping trolley






Feels like riding with a tailwind all the time. Solves the dripping with sweat problem at the supermarket. Gets recharged by solar PV.
Excuse me while I polish my cheap brassy halo

so.......tech spec's?


pedal assist - or power on tap whenever you want?
brand?
cost?
range?
12 / 24 / 32volt?
type of batteries etc.

stephen

250W. 3 levels of pedal assist and also a twist grip throttle.

I got the cheapest system locally available from someone on the Gold Coast called Dillenger. dillenger.com.au Cost $600 plus freight. Put it on a $450 Al flat bar road bike and about $75 for rack and 48l panniers. To put the kit on the bike took longer than it should have because the front forks were rubbing the motor a bit. A couple of washers fixed that, so 1/2 hr gets you fitted up

They claim that the range without a chain is 30km on the battery that I have (36V, 8Ah) Li ion. For $100 less you can go with lead acid at a 7kg weight penalty

The next system up is $700 and has a 48V battery (10Ah) and 5 levels of assistance. Since I have found that low assistance is good for cruising and mod gets you up hills without effort, the only point I can see is a longer range. And a bit more torque when you take off, but my legs do much better than the motor in that department

The only problem that I notice is that the motor seems to surge a bit after it has been under a bit of load going up hills. Plus the electrics around the bottom bracket don't look very waterproof.

So far I'm quite happy with it. I'm tempted to take up kiting and use the bike with a kiddy trailer to transport the gear.

what has deadly tredlies got to do with windsurfing.????? please explain.

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gavnwend said...
what has deadly tredlies got to do with windsurfing.????? please explain.

Its in the 'Shooting the breeze' section, so it can be about anything.

Now, if it were in the 'windsurfing section'..

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FormulaNova said...

gavnwend said...
what has deadly tredlies got to do with windsurfing.????? please explain.

Its in the 'Shooting the breeze' section, so it can be about anything.

Now, if it were in the 'windsurfing section'..

thanks l forgot! free for all thread on anything cheers formula nova.

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fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....

What an unthought out comment.

Bicycles were around before cars. bicycles do not pollute.
Bicycles do not use resources etc etc etc
By the way I don't ride a bicycle but I have a lot of respect for people who do.

Cyclists have More guts than me to battle with vehicular traffic in a daily basis. Those that aren't killed by thoughtless drivers deserve a medal.

Yep I am serious.

ET.

I reckon cyclists slot into the same category as those old people that stand and talk in the middle of an isle at Coles..

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fingerbone said...

E T said...

fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....

What an unthought out comment.

Bicycles were around before cars. bicycles do not pollute.
Bicycles do not use resources etc etc etc
By the way I don't ride a bicycle but I have a lot of respect for people who do.

Cyclists have More guts than me to battle with vehicular traffic in a daily basis. Those that aren't killed by thoughtless drivers deserve a medal.

Yep I am serious.

ET.

I reckon cyclists slot into the same category as those old people that stand and talk in the middle of an isle at Coles..

Yeah, let's declare jihad on old people who talk to each other as well.
So much hating to do, and so little time...

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I reckon cyclists slot into the same category as those old people that stand and talk in the middle of an isle at Coles..

Would that be the dessert isle?

I once talked to a retired truck driver who stopped working after running over a pro cyclist.
Crushed him up under the rear wheels into a bag of bones, the reality hit home later!
when he found out how well liked the cyclist was as a father, husband and friend to many.

we've all locked up the brakes with close calls on the road, it's inattention that kills.

It seems that too few people are aware of the consequences of their actions...

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250W. 3 levels of pedal assist and also a twist grip throttle.

I got the cheapest system locally available from someone on the Gold Coast called Dillenger. dillenger.com.au Cost $600 plus freight. Put it on a $450 Al flat bar road bike and about $75 for rack and 48l panniers. To put the kit on the bike took longer than it should have because the front forks were rubbing the motor a bit. A couple of washers fixed that, so 1/2 hr gets you fitted up

They claim that the range without a chain is 30km on the battery that I have (36V, 8Ah) Li ion. For $100 less you can go with lead acid at a 7kg weight penalty

The next system up is $700 and has a 48V battery (10Ah) and 5 levels of assistance. Since I have found that low assistance is good for cruising and mod gets you up hills without effort, the only point I can see is a longer range. And a bit more torque when you take off, but my legs do much better than the motor in that department

The only problem that I notice is that the motor seems to surge a bit after it has been under a bit of load going up hills. Plus the electrics around the bottom bracket don't look very waterproof.

So far I'm quite happy with it. I'm tempted to take up kiting and use the bike with a kiddy trailer to transport the gear.

this was an interesting project from kickstart ,not shipping yet but pretty ingenious
goes onto any bike.
http://www.flykly.com/smart-wheel

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Prawnhead said...

this was an interesting project from kickstart ,not shipping yet but pretty ingenious
goes onto any bike.
http://www.flykly.com/smart-wheel

I wonder if they will integrate some sort of locking device or will they make it quick release so the next person can steal the wheel and put it on their bike.

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Prawnhead said...

this was an interesting project from kickstart ,not shipping yet but pretty ingenious
goes onto any bike.
http://www.flykly.com/smart-wheel

I wonder if they will integrate some sort of locking device or will they make it quick release so the next person can steal the wheel and put it on their bike.

That battery arrangement is really neat. Amazingly small compared to any other ebike I've seen. They must be getting 10 or 20 times the energy density of the other brands. Plus regenerative braking. How much did you say it costs?

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Mr Milk said...


That battery arrangement is really neat. Amazingly small compared to any other ebike I've seen. They must be getting 10 or 20 times the energy density of the other brands. Plus regenerative braking. How much did you say it costs?

I suspect that they are getting the same energy density and just using the same batteries, but in the hub, so overall, less energy storage.

I wonder if they can secrete batteries near the rim to disguise them, although I guess you would need to balance it pretty well.

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Mr Milk said...


That battery arrangement is really neat. Amazingly small compared to any other ebike I've seen. They must be getting 10 or 20 times the energy density of the other brands. Plus regenerative braking. How much did you say it costs?

I suspect that they are getting the same energy density and just using the same batteries, but in the hub, so overall, less energy storage.

I wonder if they can secrete batteries near the rim to disguise them, although I guess you would need to balance it pretty well.

Good point. Adding mass to the rims would increase the angular momentum of the wheel, so it would keep rolling longer. I wonder why the other wheel makers don't do that too

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fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....

What an unthought out comment.

Bicycles were around before cars. bicycles do not pollute.
Bicycles do not use resources etc etc etc
By the way I don't ride a bicycle but I have a lot of respect for people who do.

Cyclists have More guts than me to battle with vehicular traffic in a daily basis. Those that aren't killed by thoughtless drivers deserve a medal.

Yep I am serious.

ET.

Agree. I have two cars, pay two lots of road tax, and choose to cycle each day, thus paying for road and not using it on a daily basis. I'd argue more than 50% of regular cyclists, at least here in Aus, pay road tax.

I also pay tax to my local council and buy goods at Westfield, so by this rationale, I can ride my cycle on the footpath and in my local shopping centre... right?

Funny how people talks about the lycra pants of the cyclists in packs but don't say any thing about the leather pants of the motorbikes in gangs though

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Mr Milk said...

I wonder if they can secrete batteries near the rim to disguise them, although I guess you would need to balance it pretty well.

Good point. Adding mass to the rims would increase the angular momentum of the wheel, so it would keep rolling longer. I wonder why the other wheel makers don't do that too

heavier wheel = more momentum = harder to stop.

although, modern batteries are no where as heavy as old school batteries, and bike brakes have improved heaps too.

there is probably an electro-bike nerd working on it in a shed someplace....


stephen

heavier wheel = more momentum = harder to stop.

Sounds like some "regenerative braking system" needed?

Heavier wheel more energy required to start moving