agreed...same reasons I came to my conclusion.

peace brothers.

ok said..
All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.

That's right! The aim of any fight is to disable your opponent and have them loose control, which means having them on the ground. At least to give you time to run the other way - like Eppo said. I am with him

dmitri said..

jbshack said...
A few years training in Muay thai soon taught me a good lesson. You have no idea of who can and who cannot not fight so best not to engage in the first place

So...what sort of the fighter was the other dude who taught you a lesson ?

Haha, the worst was a lady with a kick to the head that i never saw coming. To be fair she was a third level black. Apparently its not okay to say sorry, when sparing if you accidentally manage to land a good shot..

I fought a lot as a kid also. But these days you simply have no idea what skills people have and i think to underestimate your opponent can be detrimental to one's health

lotofwind said..
You old people and your fist fighting, you need to look to the youth.
All fights now are settled by a dance off.

You need to stop Googling 'schoolgirls dancing'
Dirty dirty old man.

(see it goes both ways)
oh hang on

is this topic about how to fight or how to self-defense ? I believe the most of us, the seabreezers got our rotator cuffs not as healthy as they used to be..

I reckon the best self-defense technic for my age is to play dumb..because I can't run fast anymore either...e.g..if some one threatens you...just start picking your nose..I mean, what kind of rat bastard psychotic would harm someone who is picking his nose..?

I've done a fair bit of martial arts - karate and kickboxing. A mate I surfed with was a kickboxing instructor. Despite four years of karate training it took six months of sparring before I landed any clean hits. He could move the heavy six foot bag way more with a two inch punch than I could with a kick. That punch where you put your finger tips on the bag then collapse into a fist while shifting your weight.

At a concert I was there with him, another mate and our three ladies. An idiot decided to push violently through us to the front. He elbowed one of the ladies in the tits, elbowed Mate2 in the throat and me in the chest, then he pushed past my instructor mate. My friend grabbed him by his collar and delivered said two inch punch and dropped to the ground. The bouncers then removed the fool. The expression on his face looking up at us, wondering where the hell that had come from was priceless. A delightful mixture of fear and confusion. I don't think anyone around us appreciated the power in that "little" jumper punch, but I knew exactly how hard he had been hit.

I just about kissed my mate.

As far as fighting publicly goes, pass. Avoid the situation wherever possible. If it's unavoidable, strike first, hard, somewhere soft. I'd throw an uppercut elbow over a punch.

Then I would probably be arrested and sent to gaol.

Best to avoid the whole thing.

I haven't had a sober fight since high school and was last in a drunken brawl in 1990.

mkseven said..

DanozDirect said...

ok said..
All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.

That's right! The aim of any fight is to disable your opponent and have them loose control, which means having them on the ground. At least to give you time to run the other way - like Eppo said. I am with him

Wrong, if you take a fight to ground on the street you may get away with it sometimes but will be punished hard when 5 of his mates turn up & proceed to kick the crap outta your perfectly placed self. This is difference between the dojo/ring/cage/school yard & the street, assume there is always more than one. Yes some such as zen do kai & krav maga do train for multiple attackers but it never properly depicts reality where mostly ive seen one or two who'll hang back run in & hit when you're most vulnerable.

As others have said martial arts has taught me not to get involved. If you are in an actual person trying to kill you situation yell so people hear/hopefully send help, put whatever you can between you & them (chair, tree etc), use whatever is at hand (pen, keys etc) to disable or slow them in any way possible then get away, distance is your friend.

Good points.

I prefer Segal's method of self defence using the opponents own inertia against them. What's that called?

One important thing that a martial art or boxing teaches you is what its like to be hit or punched, especially in the face and gut.

If you are not scared to be hit and know what its going to feel like and sound like, you wont be surprised by it, you will be more able to think clearly to defend or protect yourself.

My old boxing coach represented South Africa in amateur boxing and he was a bouncer for one of the local clubs.
The one time he got into a real 'street fight', he lasted 2 seconds before the guy wrapped a chair around my coach's head.

Everyone has a puncher's chance in a fight, just don't give them the chance by running away (if you can)

ok said..
All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.

Of the dozens of fights I have seen in the street They have rarely, if ever, ended up on the ground.

And of those fights it is never between two loners, out all by themselves. Others can and do jump in.

The last place you want to be is on the ground.

DanozDirect said...

I prefer Segal's method of self defence using the opponents own inertia against them. What's that called?

Choreography.

evlPanda said..

DanozDirect said...

I prefer Segal's method of self defence using the opponents own inertia against them. What's that called?

Choreography.

Seagal's form of Aikido works best with highly trained opponents who will not only run face first towards you, but also fall over at the lightest touch

It is essential in this day and age if you are going to "throw down" to ensure both hands are up in a white flag passive manner always take a step back whilst doing this.
With cctv and mobile phones when it does come to the crunch you will always appear to be not only fearful but attempting to stop the fight.
It also allows you to have the upper hand on initial contact distance and draws the " agressor" to you, great position to get in an elbow from,block a punch or sidestep, the other advantage is that no knowledge to your opponent is transmitted as to whether you are a southpaw or natural foot. They will not know whether the left is the jab or the right.
With your hands up and your opponent marching towards you should they overstep it is easier to than bring the head into the knee.

Note: youth spent in fishing town

I remember reading a magazine where the editor kept getting asked stupid question like "would Van Damme beat Chuck Norris" in a real fight? A real fight he asked? Then he introduced Lenny McLean aka The Guv'nor aka Mean Machine aka Dirty Len. He's been shot, stabbed, had an iron bar cracked over his head. When a group of twenty young men were harassing a woman outside his local he put four of them in hospital. His most infamous underground fight was against The King of the Gypsies.



I'll never forget the quote the article finished with - "i've retired now but if anyone is stupid enough to challenge me, I'll bite their f@&king nose off"

No amount of training is going to help the average guy against a guy like this.

RUN!

btw you can see him in the movie Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, in fact they dedicated the film to him.