jsnfok said...
created at the same time, evolution is a joke

So is evolution an Inside Job too?

lotofwind said...
If man evolved from monkeys/apes.
Why are there still monkeys???

Dude, you can't be serious. This false, dishonest argument came from early detractors that twisted the scientific statement in order to strike imagination. Nobody ever said that on the scientific side, it's not even what is purported by the theory.

Lame... (unless you were kidding - not sure anymore).

barn said...

laceys lane said...



i'm not saying those links are the dead set truth. randomly picked. but my point is evolution is still a theory- not a proven fact

I will refer you to the video I posted from the 4:30 minute mark, there is an explanation of what Scientists mean when it is said 'Evolution is a fact'. I am fully convinced that if you were to watch this video from 4:30, you will be aware of the true scope what you are denying. And hopefully you would be able to admit that your point is wrong.

A scientific fact is defined as "An assertion for which there is so much evidence that it would be perverse to deny it"

If you don't watch the video I have provided, then you would be purposely avoiding information contrary to your position. This would be intellectual cowardice. I was brave enough to visit the references provided to me.

i watched, i still can't buy the theory is fact. i think evolutionists don't want to think there is any other way because that would mean their beliefs and world would come crumbling down. i think there is a fair amount of faith being used to support this theory. you 'believe' that evolution is a fact

i suppose it gets down to whether you believe in god or not. everyone believes in something


everyone has a god, be it money, fame,sport-,surfing etc, its the way we are made

laceys lane said...


i watched, i still can't buy the theory is fact. i think evolutionists don't want to think there is any other way because that would mean their beliefs and world would come crumbling down. i think there is a fair amount of faith being used to support this theory. you 'believe' that evolution is a fact

Take the same argument and apply it to yourself. Scientists don't believe in evolution, they accept it because it explains everything, and actually works. Just like Chemists don't believe the molecular formula of Water is H2O, they know, because without the H20 arrangement chemistry wouldn't work..

i suppose it gets down to whether you believe in god or not. everyone believes in something

Yes and no, you won't accept it because of a predisposition, but millions do accept evolution while holding a belief in doG.. Personally agree with you, there is no way you could believe in both, and I respect that you at least understand the consequences of evolution, and therefore wont accept it.

everyone has a god, be it money, fame,sport-,surfing etc, its the way we are made

Well thats just redefining the word! hahah

laceys lane said...

i watched, i still can't buy the theory is fact.

Yeah but gravity is a theory too. Try believing it doesn't exist though.

SomeOtherGuy said...

laceys lane said...

i watched, i still can't buy the theory is fact.

Yeah but gravity is a theory too. Try believing it doesn't exist though.

gravity is a law, aka newton's universal law. (not that i disbelieve the theory of evolution).

stamp said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

laceys lane said...

i watched, i still can't buy the theory is fact.

Yeah but gravity is a theory too. Try believing it doesn't exist though.

gravity is a law, aka newton's universal law. (not that i disbelieve the theory of evolution).

Yes, Newton's universal law of gravitation is a law. It is also wrong. It was shown to be wrong by Einstein's Theory of Relativity which includes the theory of gravitation.

This isn't hair splitting - Newton's "law" is only an approximation. Probably the only reason it's still called a law is because everyone got used to calling it that.

laceys lane said...
i watched, i still can't buy the theory is fact. i think evolutionists don't want to think there is any other way because that would mean their beliefs and world would come crumbling down. i think there is a fair amount of faith being used to support this theory. you 'believe' that evolution is a fact

You've sussed it spot on.
"In the beginning God created ..." - faith.
"In the beginning there was nothing - then it exploded!" - faith.

... the 1st one, however, requires a bit less faith.

laceys lane said...
i suppose it gets down to whether you believe in god or not. everyone believes in something everyone has a god, be it money, fame,sport-,surfing etc, its the way we are made

barn said...
Well thats just redefining the word! hahah

After you've wiped your chin Barn, try a dictionary.

dinsdale said...

"In the beginning God created ..." - faith.
"In the beginning there was nothing - then it exploded!" - faith.

... the 1st one, however, requires a bit less faith.

Without wanting to get into the whole science vs god rubbish, you're wrong as well.

The second requires no faith whatsoever. It is simply the best explanation anyone can come up with that fits all the facts and measurements and theories that we (humanity) can come up with. A lot of scientists believe it's probably a wrong explanation. But it'll have to do for the moment because nobody can think of a better one. The moment someone comes up with a better explanation, that one will be ditched, same as happened for Newton's "law".

The first one can only be done via faith. I suspect that if anyone anywhere discovered some shred of quantifiable evidence for your god, those of your persuation would immediately ditch that god and decide there was another one - an unmeasurable one.

dinsdale said...

Where does all this twaddle about gravity being a theory come from? There is empirical, repeatable, scientific data supporting the fact of gravity.

But that's just describing the way it works and the way it works is pretty solid, as you say. Force of attraction between two masses.. the gravitational constant.. acceleration due to... path taken by an object subject to a gravitational field... etc...

But that doesn't explain much, it only describes. It's like saying the sky is blue. Well duh... but why is it blue? The theory of gravitation describes why gravitation works the way it does.

ok- how did god come into being

how did life start anywhere

how did anything happen.

how come there's a universe.

and so on.

its mind boggling, you would go insane, too much for anyone to comprehend

see, somewhere along the line you have to have 'faith' and 'believe' something, whether you like it or not

barn said...

dinsdale said...


You've sussed it spot on.
"In the beginning God created ..." - faith.
"In the beginning there was nothing - then it exploded!" - faith.

... the 1st one, however, requires a bit less faith.

We don't know there was nothing before our universe...

Oh alright, have it your way ...

"In the beginning there was something - then it exploded!" - faith.

barn said...
Who created God?

So where did the aforementioned "something" come from? - faith.

SomeOtherGuy said...
Looks like you're mistaken - on all points.

No, I'm not.

How about reality?
There isn't even a working theory for it any more, as the LHC has kind of disproved some aspects of String Theory

I think the girl next door met god at the pub last night.

At 2am I could hear her screaming out,
"OH MY GOD,OH MY GOD,OH MY GOD, OOOHHHHHHH MYYYYY GOOOOOOOOD"

Then later that night the son of god must of turned up cause she started yelling
"OH JESUS, OH JESUS, OH JESUS"




Im going to hell arent I[}:)]