This time about security and safety.

Imagine you or somebody walking deserted place then suddenly stalked by individual.

We all have smartphones already. We could just reach our phone and press on button - applet that :

-momentarily start sending video footage to that Secure Evidence Server
-GPS tag your current location
-contact 911 or 111 emergency if required

So whole concept is about single to launch applet on our phone to send video footage to be recorded , protected from erasing.

Now we could be mugged, raped or just nothing happen at all. But in case we have evidence what actually happen or just simple emergency tool.

For example we witness any road , fire or other bombing accident. We press button and video message is automatically send to Secure Evidence Server.
Police investigating later could just look at Secure Server for specific geo tag and find for example 12 recordings from different people at the specific location.
Additional value for rescuers receiving such video evidence call is real time picture of the scene -that allow them better prepare to situation.
If idea / concept could get traction, maybe even in the future special purpose Red Panic Button could be incorporated into every mobile phone ?

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Macroscien said..
... whole concept is about single to lunch ...

Now we could be mugged, raped ...

I wanted to go single to lunch at a fancy restaurant once, but I was worried I'd be raped so I stayed at home and made a sandwich.

Why are you telling us your ideas?

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evlPanda said..

Why are you telling us your ideas?

I thought that will be my contribution to SB, just another color in wide range of the topics here.
Well, if you think , nobody is interested , you may be actually right and I will stop.

For example this Panic Button could work for us in waterproof phones on the water.
Instead of expensive Emergency Beacon we could just program smart phone to automatically send emergency message to
our family or friends , other mates on the water - that we need assistance.

For example we setup group or circle of the people/mates we use to sail here with us . In the case of broken equipment or other need for help we could easy send message. Usually when tired and in harsh environment - so operation must be very easy to implement , we could not just perform standard calls or send text messages...

Just one more applet for phone along thousand others ....

This is good for children and is a start I suppose on your idea. Sends your GPS co-ordinates to 2 other phones by text message.

apps.apple.com/au/app/help-me/id510561786

You seem to have forgotten that your smart phone is still a telephone???

Phones are not a substitute for an EPIRB.

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Chris6791 said..

You seem to have forgotten that your smart phone is still a telephone???

Phones are not a substitute for an EPIRB.

In most cases if we brake a fin or mast or base we don't require immediate Westpac helicopter or coast guard.
Our mates could help , just if they know.

In such case it may works like that:
We drifted on the water away from radar screens of our mates. Nobody know where we are , where to look.
We just press Green Button ( means that we still need assistance but from our friends rather then official response team.
This message will be transited to our sailing at the time mates - Special ring tone - could help to differentiate from ordinary calls that nobody bother to answer when sailing.
Than mates will receive our GPS coordinates and other message if required - video or audio. They could see our position on Google map exactly.

Now they could organize help, sail to the place, get a boat or something etc....

It think that technical solution the easier will be separating smart phone ( hidden on waterproof bag ) and small remote panic button - blue tooth easy available to reach.

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Macroscien said..
This time about security and safety.

Imagine you or somebody walking deserted place then suddenly stalked by individual.

We all have smartphones already. We could just reach our phone and press on button - applet that :

-momentarily start sending video footage to that Secure Evidence Server

-GPS tag your current location-contact 911 or 111 emergency if required

So whole concept is about single to launch applet on our phone to send video footage to be recorded , protected from erasing.

Now we could be mugged, raped or just nothing happen at all. But in case we have evidence what actually happen or just simple emergency tool.

For example we witness any road , fire or other bombing accident. We press button and video message is automatically send to Secure Evidence Server.

Police investigating later could just look at Secure Server for specific geo tag and find for example 12 recordings from different people at the specific location.

Additional value for rescuers receiving such video evidence call is real time picture of the scene -that allow them better prepare to situation.

If idea / concept could get traction, maybe even in the future special purpose Red Panic Button could be incorporated into every mobile phone ?

People do it already, it's called Youtube

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Paul Kelf said..


People do it already, it's called Youtube

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Before you manage to post video to Youtube, edit captition, add some music you will be raped 3 x already.
Then if you even managed to post you will be asked politely by your oppressor to remove video unless you want to be raped 4x more.
BTW video will be refused by Youtube server anyway because contain offensive ,sexual scenes etc.

All you are doing is adding layers of complexity to it. Call your mates if you need a hand, they can add you as a special ringtone if necessary. EPIRB for when you are properly in trouble and an app like Glympse if you want to show someone where you are.

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Chris6791 said..

All you are doing is adding layers of complexity to it. Call your mates if you need a hand, they can add you as a special ringtone if necessary. EPIRB for when you are properly in trouble and an app like Glympse if you want to show someone where you are.

Thanks for that. I have been looking for the way to send GPS location for ages.
First I thought that Google map should have such future. Since pin point exactly your location should be reasonably easy to send it now be email to somebody.
But I couldn't managed to do it.
Now I hope Glympse will help.

Already been done Macro. Lady and husband over in WA built an app that protects people when out walking, jogging or what ever sends location and trace. Cant recall what it was, but the app is not on a dot com.au site. Some other site that reaches many outside Aus. Propellarrrr heads will know where I presume.

You can even program running apps like Map my fitness to transmit GPS info at set intervals and publish direct to Facebook or email.

The tech already exists but in some ways I see a usage for this kind of app.

The other problem is that in a scenario where you are going to get raped or mugged or whatever you won't have time to pull your phone out, unlock it, open the app and press the panic button. If you do then all you are doing is maybe gathering evidence. No emergency service can respond quick enough to stop what's happening.

Also if you could get emergency services on board then an app that summons them at the press of a button will overwhelm the system through ignorant or deliberate misuse. Triple zero already bogs down the police with a requirement to attend hundreds of nuisance triple zero calls around Australia every day. Even calls that don't declare an emergency if they hit certain criteria require attendance to check on the welfare of the caller.

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mineral1 said..

Already been done Macro. Lady and husband over in WA built an app that protects people when out walking, jogging or what ever sends location and trace. Cant recall what it was, but the app is not on a dot com.au site. Some other site that reaches many outside Aus. Propellarrrr heads will know where I presume.

Yeah i it also starts to record sound and video footage to help try and track or spot the attacker. It was on the news a while back. Designed for women who jog on their own..

I think it's an interesting idea. Sure you might still need to press a couple of buttons, but I guess the idea is to try and get the maximum functionality from minimal key strokes, and a well designed app might achieve that. Or if you have it already armed when in a dicey situation, it would be running already.

A woman told me she tried to take a speeding fine off her daughter and the police just said they've checked and her phone was not in the same area as the camera at the time of the offence.
You be a dumb crim if you carry ya phone around now days.

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Harrow said..

I think it's an interesting idea. Sure you might still need to press a couple of buttons, but I guess the idea is to try and get the maximum functionality from minimal key strokes, and a well designed app might achieve that. Or if you have it already armed when in a dicey situation, it would be running already.

I think in the case for the one i mentioned, you simply pulled the head phone jack out. It also sent straight to the police and another chosen device

I wouldn't want a video of myself being raped sent to FB or youtube, I'd be so embarrassed if I didn't have nice undies on....

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Dezman said..

A woman told me she tried to take a speeding fine off her daughter and the police just said they've checked and her phone was not in the same area as the camera at the time of the offence.
You be a dumb crim if you carry ya phone around now days.

That would never stand up. I even doubt the police would bother checking the call records without a warrant to justify it.

You would have to prove that the woman had her phone with her, which is surely almost impossible.

Main purpose of such application ( recording video remotely) is deterrence.
You could present offender fact that everything from now is recorded on this security camera.
In such case offender have that best option to do nothing and walk away free.
There is nothing he/she could do to erase footage that was sent already.

Usually criminals strike because that believe will not be ever identified.

Here is already identified but didn't actually make any offence yet.
One world - prevention.

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Macroscien said..

Main purpose of such application ( recording video remotely) is deterrence.

Deterrence requires presence. How does an assailant know you have this app?

Most people carry their phone in their bag/pocket. By the time they are being attacked they will not have the opportunity to retrieve it, let alone activate it
So the only alternate is to hold the phone in the hand, But then it is in clear view. What is to stop an assailant grabbing the phone at the beginning of the attack? The only way to prevent this is to be filming any person who comes near you, flooding the server.

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You could present offender fact that everything from now is recorded on this security camera.
In such case offender have that best option to do nothing and walk away free.

Or figure since they are now in for one, they might as well go in for all... The worst thing you can do in a robbery is piss off your robber...

And that is ignoring the practicality of the situation.
It will be several seconds for your phone to establish a handshake data stream to a server, during which your filming will not go un-noticed
How do you propose regulating this data stream? What is to stop any person with a PC from spamming the server? keeping in mind Authentication will take even more time.
How will the emergency services receive this GPS data? what stops any person with an IP capable machine spamming GPS data?
How will emergency services receive the video stream for this "Added value"? How will the information be authenticated? Since the video stream is a passive view, how will this help them prepare more than having someone on the phone they can directly ask questions of value?

Macroscien, this would be one of your more doable ideas. It sounds like there are already aps that fit the bill. Maybe do some research and if there is gap in the market, go for it. Good luck.

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Macroscien said..


-contact 911 or 111 emergency if required

The idea will work wonders if you are in America, we in Australia are 000 on land lines and mobile phone, 112 if you are out of reception in Australia.

Good idea, A few bugs to work out, but it's a start.

there, there Macro, why don't I ask nurse to take you out on the veranda for some fresh air ?

Must be a bugger to be worried about being mugged or raped or bashed or tortured or analy probed , and to be thinking of a way to get help

I notice the wind is dropping off in the next few days , I hope it does.

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TheWolf said..

How do you propose regulating this data stream?

The best owner of the server could be public/ government institution . This way material stay secure and temptation to send false , hoax calls minimized.
Besides material shouldn't be freely available to public although similar competitive private system could be created with less serious material - more like documentary, evidence, something like Youtube.

At extreme video evidence system - or we could call this Virtual Witness - could document any wrong doing by one person filming another one
Everybody spying on everybody - you crossing or driving on red lights, or similar light pranks. That really depend what society needs or tolerate...

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FormulaNova said..

Dezman said..

A woman told me she tried to take a speeding fine off her daughter and the police just said they've checked and her phone was not in the same area as the camera at the time of the offence.
You be a dumb crim if you carry ya phone around now days.

That would never stand up. I even doubt the police would bother checking the call records without a warrant to justify it.

You would have to prove that the woman had her phone with her, which is surely almost impossible.

On the re-think they pointed out a call having been made from interstate!
However I understand where your coming from and it's not as easy as saying 'I did't do it' prove otherwise! In court it's not as much what someone says but are they lying, the judge will watch you and decide if your telling the truth!
I know this seems stupid but that's the truth of it, I like how the crim says how 'sorry' they are !!! Yeah right, sorry they got caught.

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evlPanda said..

Why are you telling us your ideas?

For something to discuss!!! For we are on a forum mate.
But hey if you got a better topic then by all means post it 'insert sarcasm'

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Chris6791 said..
The other problem is that in a scenario where you are going to get raped or mugged or whatever you won't have time to pull your phone out, unlock it, open the app and press the panic button. If you do then all you are doing is maybe gathering evidence. No emergency service can respond quick enough to stop what's happening. .

I think it's a good idea Macro but Chris is right, no time to fiddle with your phone. What it needs is a bracelet/ring/necklace with a big button that takes a hard press to activate. It's bluetooth paired to the phone. The jewellery also has a couple of low energy leds, green for ready and red for activated.

User can even show mugger/raper, see this red light? Police have been called with my location...