A mate bought a 2008 Hyundai iMax diesel 4speed brand spanking new...
serviced the car as per service book on time every time....always back to the dealer he bought it from.
the car has done 200,000kms, two days ago the engine stops dead as he went around a corner...no warning
tries to start it,no go.
gets the car towed to the dealer he bought it from....they quoted $12,000 for another motor....if my mate wanted to know the reason why it stopped there would be a charge....he got the impression that it wasn't a rare occurrence.
just putting it out there if anybody has heard of a similar problem...he has been told it is more than likely it is the cam/timing chain....
there are a lot of Hyundai iMax and ILoad vans around....just wondering

Sounds like the dealer has one solution for all engine failures, replace the engine.

How much does a 2008 Hyundai van cost? I guess $12k would go a long way to making up the price for one.

Why would an engine stop stone dead going round a corner?

Turbos are a known problem on the diesels , possibly blown fragments into motor .

Strange they want a fee to tell him whats wrong. I've not come across a mechanic that won't tell whats wrong. It's generally the best way to get you to part with the money.

I'd be getting a second opinion if possible. I know the dongles are cheap to buy too if thats an option that your mate might to look at.

if he gets no satisfaction from dealer, contact Hyundai customer services with copy to motor vehicle dealers association or whatever in WA

I know of Falcon having trouble with electrics and dealers playing hard ball, but Ford AU customer service do rattle a few chains and make significant progress.

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rick deckard said..
A mate bought a 2008 Hyundai iMax diesel 4speed brand spanking new...
serviced the car as per service book on time every time....always back to the dealer he bought it from.
the car has done 200,000kms, two days ago the engine stops dead as he went around a corner...no warning
tries to start it,no go.
gets the car towed to the dealer he bought it from....they quoted $12,000 for another motor....if my mate wanted to know the reason why it stopped there would be a charge....he got the impression that it wasn't a rare occurrence.
just putting it out there if anybody has heard of a similar problem...he has been told it is more than likely it is the cam/timing chain....
there are a lot of Hyundai iMax and ILoad vans around....just wondering

As a general comment, dealerships are trading on the brand name and get a lot of people servicing their cars there because they don't know any trusted mechanics.

On the other side of the coin, a decent mechanic, trades on their reputation and referals. If you can find one, you will be ahead because the accountability stops with them. I am not saying its easy finding a good one, but generally one that has been around for a while has had to do a good job to survive, versus the dealer who just needs to stick the 'Hyundai' sign up.

That said, as others have suggested, take the van to a good mechanic and ask them to tell you what is wrong. It sounds like it probably is a common problem, but you won't know until someone tells you.
12K sounds like a lot for a new engine. Are diesels normally that expensive? It wouldn't be hard to write off diesels after the engine karks it if that's what it costs to replace.

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FormulaNova said..

rick deckard said..
A mate bought a 2008 Hyundai iMax diesel 4speed brand spanking new...
serviced the car as per service book on time every time....always back to the dealer he bought it from.
the car has done 200,000kms, two days ago the engine stops dead as he went around a corner...no warning
tries to start it,no go.
gets the car towed to the dealer he bought it from....they quoted $12,000 for another motor....if my mate wanted to know the reason why it stopped there would be a charge....he got the impression that it wasn't a rare occurrence.
just putting it out there if anybody has heard of a similar problem...he has been told it is more than likely it is the cam/timing chain....
there are a lot of Hyundai iMax and ILoad vans around....just wondering

12K sounds like a lot for a new engine. Are diesels normally that expensive? It wouldn't be hard to write off diesels after the engine karks it if that's what it costs to replace.

I just checked for a long motor that's about spot on without fitting.

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DARTH said..

FormulaNova said..

rick deckard said..
A mate bought a 2008 Hyundai iMax diesel 4speed brand spanking new...
serviced the car as per service book on time every time....always back to the dealer he bought it from.
the car has done 200,000kms, two days ago the engine stops dead as he went around a corner...no warning
tries to start it,no go.
gets the car towed to the dealer he bought it from....they quoted $12,000 for another motor....if my mate wanted to know the reason why it stopped there would be a charge....he got the impression that it wasn't a rare occurrence.
just putting it out there if anybody has heard of a similar problem...he has been told it is more than likely it is the cam/timing chain....
there are a lot of Hyundai iMax and ILoad vans around....just wondering

12K sounds like a lot for a new engine. Are diesels normally that expensive? It wouldn't be hard to write off diesels after the engine karks it if that's what it costs to replace.

I just checked for a long motor that's about spot on without fitting.

Ouch! That would take a lot of fuel cost savings to make up the difference between petrol and diesel!

I remember seeing a lot of Transit Diesels being written off when the turbo dies, so it might be a common issue when modern diesels die.

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FormulaNova said..

DARTH said..

FormulaNova said..

rick deckard said..
A mate bought a 2008 Hyundai iMax diesel 4speed brand spanking new...
serviced the car as per service book on time every time....always back to the dealer he bought it from.
the car has done 200,000kms, two days ago the engine stops dead as he went around a corner...no warning
tries to start it,no go.
gets the car towed to the dealer he bought it from....they quoted $12,000 for another motor....if my mate wanted to know the reason why it stopped there would be a charge....he got the impression that it wasn't a rare occurrence.
just putting it out there if anybody has heard of a similar problem...he has been told it is more than likely it is the cam/timing chain....
there are a lot of Hyundai iMax and ILoad vans around....just wondering

12K sounds like a lot for a new engine. Are diesels normally that expensive? It wouldn't be hard to write off diesels after the engine karks it if that's what it costs to replace.

I just checked for a long motor that's about spot on without fitting.

Ouch! That would take a lot of fuel cost savings to make up the difference between petrol and diesel!

I remember seeing a lot of Transit Diesels being written off when the turbo dies, so it might be a common issue when modern diesels die.

Personally I wouldn't touch a diesel of any brand of car tbh.

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DARTH said..

FormulaNova said..

DARTH said..

FormulaNova said..

rick deckard said..
A mate bought a 2008 Hyundai iMax diesel 4speed brand spanking new...
serviced the car as per service book on time every time....always back to the dealer he bought it from.
the car has done 200,000kms, two days ago the engine stops dead as he went around a corner...no warning
tries to start it,no go.
gets the car towed to the dealer he bought it from....they quoted $12,000 for another motor....if my mate wanted to know the reason why it stopped there would be a charge....he got the impression that it wasn't a rare occurrence.
just putting it out there if anybody has heard of a similar problem...he has been told it is more than likely it is the cam/timing chain....
there are a lot of Hyundai iMax and ILoad vans around....just wondering

12K sounds like a lot for a new engine. Are diesels normally that expensive? It wouldn't be hard to write off diesels after the engine karks it if that's what it costs to replace.

I just checked for a long motor that's about spot on without fitting.

Ouch! That would take a lot of fuel cost savings to make up the difference between petrol and diesel!

I remember seeing a lot of Transit Diesels being written off when the turbo dies, so it might be a common issue when modern diesels die.

Personally I wouldn't touch a diesel of any brand of car tbh.

Thats what ive heard too. Older diesels yeah, newer ones no.

trouble is Ive been driving a diesel Iload 2014 (not mine) thats just clicked over 140,000 k and goes like a rocket, so tempted to buy it.

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Tonz said..
trouble is Ive been driving a diesel Iload 2014 (not mine) thats just clicked over 140,000 k and goes like a rocket, so tempted to buy it.

Yes they go well, better than I thought they would. Still wouldn't buy one tho..

Why do u say that Darth? I have heard horror stories of cost for fuel pumps, DPF, sometimes turbo. S I am already offside with new tech diesels. I will be in the market for a new car for wifey in couple years so at that time will be looking at 2017-19 models.
Also need t replace my old bunky 4WD at that time with a slightly less old and crap so maybe 2010-12 models.
I'd be interested to know main issues and is there any that might be worth having?

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Mark _australia said..
Why do u say that Darth? I have heard horror stories of cost for fuel pumps, DPF, sometimes turbo. S I am already offside with new tech diesels. I will be in the market for a new car for wifey in couple years so at that time will be looking at 2017-19 models.
Also need t replace my old bunky 4WD at that time with a slightly less old and crap so maybe 2010-12 models.
I'd be interested to know main issues and is there any that might be worth having?

Turbos are expensive and will go, high pressure fuel pumps go as well, just add those two things up add fitting charges.

Don't even get me started on DPFs.

Unless you have heaps of cash too splash around stick to petrol, I've just got a V6 4.0 Hilux 4wd, best car I've ever had.

Oh
I was looking at getting one of those iload to use as a work rig.
Kinda have to go diesel as its the only fuel available at the majority of places I visit and from memory the hiace is so uncomfortable for long trips

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theDoctor said..

Oh
I was looking at getting one of those iload to use as a work rig.
Kinda have to go diesel as its the only fuel available at the majority of places I visit and from memory the hiace is so uncomfortable for long trips

They are super comfy for a van, I did a bit of long distance driving in one.

I've had a 5 speed petrol iload for 2 years , cannot fault it . The power is lower than the diesel , but quiet and comfortable . It took the dealer a bit of time to find one [ 10 % or less of sales ] . Drove from Melb to Alice Springs [ and back ] over 3 weeks and the caravaners we met up with said how the hell can you do 800 k's a day . Biggest bonus was you could stay in unpowered tent sites , usually the only patch of green grass you'll see all day .

I had a 2014 iload diesel and was a great van, faultless but sold at about 100,000 kms only to get a Ute.

Local guy with an earlier diesel model with 200,000 plus kms just had a similar engine failure, a timing chain broke but he fixed it himself, fair bit of work but back on road. He said he heard there was an issue with pre 2013 diesel
models injectors too.

I'd get a local mechanic to check it out, probably can be fixed.

Hi I'm That mate and of course it's 5 gears and the quote was actually $12,500.The turbo was replaced in 2015 and the intercooler replaced in2016 both units done by Turbotech as theirs are superior design and cheaper(brilliant!) I bought a new van to avoid problems associated with second hand vehicles-that really worked out - ha!Thanks everyone,oh and by the way,Hyundai Australia not interested in the slightest.I thought Hyundai should bear some of the repair costs as it is their engine that failed(not the timing chain which of course would be rs after something in the engine failed/apparently that is sequence of events in this instance according to dealership.Yes going round corner irrelevant- glad it didn't happen when overtaking.Apart from all that van very comfortable,very powerful (plenty of acceleration in5th for instance).Mine is an iMax the people mover where I have removed all the back seats,not as much room as some vans but plenty,and drives a bit like a car.SO WHEN IT GOES ITS NOT BAD.Cheers Nick.

You can usually buy IMax cheaper than ILoads second hand. There must be a lot of seat bases lying around the countryside/

Be interested to know what exactly was damaged as a timing chain failure would normally result in valves being hit by pistons as synchronisation will be lost and these are interference engines????

If it is an interference engine [wiki will know] and the timing chain has died - yep - guaranteed bent valves and probably stuffed pistons.

A mate of mine with an I-load tells me that at around 100k [depending on how much gunk is in the sump] the oil pick up screen is known to suck itself onto the floor of the sump / instant oil starvation to bearings.

Modern diesels are generally of a sound design - but all the bolted on emission control stuff literally kills them.

Exhaust gas recirculation systems usually choke up the inlet manifold resulting in some cylinders running rich / others lean = wildly different temperatures and cracked heads, weakened aluminium bits.

Turbo diesels usually have a fair amount of fumes blow past the piston rings and caught up by the crankcase ventilation system - which feeds this oily gas back into the intake, often contaminating air sensors and affecting intercoolers.

Best bet for I-maxload info is hit up a Hyundai diesels forum - they will be bragging about "been there broke that bodged it up all propa-like".

What's the service life of a timing chain? I've seen them done under warranty. Take it for a proper inspection, I've seen retards in a dealers diagnose dpf on a customers car 3-4000 and all it was was a vac line off between the pre and post pressure sensors.
get the log book and go over it making sure they have used correct oil also. Wrong oil will cause fatigue and failure. I didn't think I max were every 20k between service either ?

Thanks guys.Service is15,000 and optional intermediary ones at7,500 which I always did to make sure oil was in good condition.Hopefully electric vans with a range of 1,000 aren't too far away for Hyundai diesel van owners!

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I am also going to be in the market for a new\used van in another year or two so looking at the stuff coming out now. Was keen on Renault Traffic due to the long wheel base, but already had worries before this thread about the cost to repair European Diesel with twin turbos. This thread sort of confirms everything I was worried about as I don't do a ton of K's to justify needing a Diesel but want the long wheel base. Are Renault Traffics having the same issues?

Hi Amoka Hijack away is what I say.The more shared info the better.

Hello everyone - salutary lessons from my experience mean:-
1,DON'T PANIC and while investigating solutions try and maintain possession of your vehicle.Second thoughts don't bother investigating -see2.
2,DON'T MESS ABOUT GO STRAIGHT TO TOM RADDIS.
Jez suggested him but I was too late I felt to change tack(get it )
As someone who suffers from anxiety my advice if you also do-don't rush to find a solution to anything because of your need to be less anxious (easier said than done for some I certainly know).

These hyundia engines Imax and Iload are the same engine as a kia Sorento D4CB engine.
It's not the timing chain that fails in them more likely the big end bearings have spun in the conrod
For some reason the copper washers under the fuel injectors fail allowing combustion gasses to enter sooty carbon into the oil and then that gets sucked into the oil pump strainer until so bad the crankshaft starves of oil.
A early warning is when the turbo needs replacing due to lack of oil pressure and then not long after that is when the bearings go.

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Nosejob said..
Be interested to know what exactly was damaged as a timing chain failure would normally result in valves being hit by pistons as synchronisation will be lost and these are interference engines????

Are you shore they are an interference Moter I had a mate with an Iload of about that age he was told it was a fuel pump that had gone it sat in his yard for 6 months before another mechanic replaced the timing chain runs fine. The chain went on the highway to.

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bushmachanic said..
These hyundia engines Imax and Iload are the same engine as a kia Sorento D4CB engine.
It's not the timing chain that fails in them more likely the big end bearings have spun in the conrod
For some reason the copper washers under the fuel injectors fail allowing combustion gasses to enter sooty carbon into the oil and then that gets sucked into the oil pump strainer until so bad the crankshaft starves of oil.
A early warning is when the turbo needs replacing due to lack of oil pressure and then not long after that is when the bearings go.

I love it when people who know stuff post.

That makes sense and its really interesting

If you bought a relativey low km unit, then
(1) re- intstalled injectors with a bit of form-a-gasket or ultrablue on both sides of the copper washer
(2) did more oild changes with a good flush /cleaner each time

would you most likely have reduced the chance of failure enough that then its worth having that model?


On another note- god we need lemon laws in Australia. All the paint that falls off after 10yrs when it used to last twice s long
All the Jeeps that failed
All the iLoads blowing up

Resident known faults with a product need to be fixed

In our workshop we run a flush in most vehicles. Our apprentice was laughed at in tafe when he said we make him measure and not the ammount of oil that comes out of all vehicles. If anyone is putting new washers on injectors don't put sillycone just a little smear of high temp grease. Also figment of catch cans is becoming more and more common on common Rail dpfd vehicles and a cheap add on to Lower soot numbers.