The thing about humanity that makes me sad is all this fuss and media attention over a lion, but so many in the media have become numb over the atrocities of ISIS.
Totally out of balance IMO.

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seanhogan said..
not defending the prick dentist, (I can't see the point of killing if you don't eat the blessed thing) but at east he uses a bow and arrow.

So cecil could bleed out for 40 hours? Yeah that's awesome.

There is no part of 'using a bow' that makes a canned hunt or in this case blatant poaching any more respectable.

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kiteboy dave said..

seanhogan said..
not defending the prick dentist, (I can't see the point of killing if you don't eat the blessed thing) but at east he uses a bow and arrow.

So cecil could bleed out for 40 hours? Yeah that's awesome.

There is no part of 'using a bow' that makes a canned hunt or in this case blatant poaching any more respectable.

Exactly - are we supposed to be impressed by his macho-ness that he used a bow (he displays the bow in all his kill photos)?

We're supposed to believe he stalks his "kills" on his own with only a bow and no flunkys standing around with guns?

Perverse - as Jimmy Kimmel says, he would do the world a service if he stayed in his room and bought some Viagra.

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kiteboy dave said..
Palmer the Dentist's business is closed now.

He was previously fined $3,000 for killing a black bear 40 miles outside of the permit zone and attempting to drag it within the zone.

Here he is killing other endangered animals.

Without a doubt the most hated man on the planet today.

imgur.com/a/CtNeJ

Imagine his kids one day. Talking about endangered animals, dad would be like "I killed one of those, and one of those" with a big smile on his face

He really has ticked of the world and will feel the full effects of his actions. The Land owner and Guide have been dragged to court, lets hope he is next

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RockyDude said..
Just thought I'd add, there is an awesome recipe for rabbit, that I've cooked many times, which my kids loved. (never wrote it down, so from memory)

Break up the carcase into "normal cuts", such as back legs including the haunch, front legs including the shoulder, and the backbone including the backstraps.

Pan fry the pieces on pretty high heat to brown them. Take out of pan.

Pan fry some finely chopped bacon and field mushroom, a little bit of finely chopped onion, and let the juices be, without reducing.

Add the rabbit pieces to the pan, and add whatever white wine of your choice is left, and simmer for a bit.

Pinch of salt and pepper, and spices to taste, and let simmer while pasta goes on.

Cook tagliatelle pata as per recommenations on packet.

Serve awesome meal to family, explaining was caught and processed in person, and enjoy rest of sixpack of nice wines with friends.

Add too much and you lose the distinct flavour of fresh rabbit, and enjoy the fact, that if you caught it wild, you have reduced the population of an invasive species by a bit.

Enjoy if you try it.

Hey Rocky Dude,

Thanks for the recipe. Should try it if a rabbit gets close enough for me to clobber it on its head

Meanwhile, have you got one for a dentist...ahh...A lion poaching type, I mean

Too early

Sorry

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Jupiter said..

RockyDude said..
Just thought I'd add, there is an awesome recipe for rabbit, that I've cooked many times, which my kids loved. (never wrote it down, so from memory)

Break up the carcase into "normal cuts", such as back legs including the haunch, front legs including the shoulder, and the backbone including the backstraps.

Pan fry the pieces on pretty high heat to brown them. Take out of pan.

Pan fry some finely chopped bacon and field mushroom, a little bit of finely chopped onion, and let the juices be, without reducing.

Add the rabbit pieces to the pan, and add whatever white wine of your choice is left, and simmer for a bit.

Pinch of salt and pepper, and spices to taste, and let simmer while pasta goes on.

Cook tagliatelle pata as per recommenations on packet.

Serve awesome meal to family, explaining was caught and processed in person, and enjoy rest of sixpack of nice wines with friends.

Add too much and you lose the distinct flavour of fresh rabbit, and enjoy the fact, that if you caught it wild, you have reduced the population of an invasive species by a bit.

Enjoy if you try it.

Hey Rocky Dude,

Thanks for the recipe. Should try it if a rabbit gets close enough for me to clobber it on its head

Meanwhile, have you got one for a dentist...ahh...A lion poaching type, I mean

For sure Jupiter, seeing as you obviously don't know, it's the most humane method of dispatching a rabbit.

Hold up by back legs, and they swing their head up and away from the body.

A swift strong "chop" downwards like a karate chop, in between the back of the head and the shoulders, and instant death.

Nothing cruel or bizarre about that at all. I see rabbit as just another meat, along with chicken and fish etc.

I guess all this, and the recipe as well, could apply to a lion poaching dentist.... if you were that way inclined.

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dan111984 said..
Good on you for making a thread about someone killing a lion.. Meanwhile, things a million times worse are happening all over the world..

Tosser's response! In your mind there's millions of bad things happening in the world so one single isolated thing does not matter. Idiots that think like that are making things worst!

^Toss in your ear...

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jbshack said...


Too early

Sorry

JB, the difference is that the last 2 or 3 decades have seen lion numbers drop significantly*. The opposite is true for GWS.

*numbers are actually increasing slowly over the last few years. Unfortunately its due to elephant poachers.

Without game reserves in Africa, there would be no incentive for land owners to protect large animals which regularly conflict with humans. There are people willing to pay money to legally shoot, large, healthy, and genuinely wild animals. This creates a value on those animals and their environment, so to continue to extract this value healthy ecosystems are maintained..

Game reserves also suffer far less poaching than national parks, and the rebounding population of the white rhino in SA is attributed to the legalisation of trophy hunting.

This is environmental management capitalism style.. It's crazy, I think trophy hunters are nuts, but trophy hunters are better than poachers and habitat destruction caused by farming..

I'm not worried as much about one lion (A popular lion from a national park, tragically and mistakenly shot) than I am with the extinction of the whole species.. And while hunting continues to bring in the dollars, the species is safe..

Lions used to be the most wildly distributed mammal on the planet, from Africa through Europe, Asian and all the way down to Peru, before humans replaced them. In Africa, it looks like they've found a way to co-exist. It's not perfect, but until those protesting the hunters can find a better solution, then the industry is needed. We've been doing it forever, it's probably in our blood. With no regulation, the lions have no hope..

Amazing Assyrian reliefs from 650BC.. They really catch the suffering of dying lions from 2500 years ago quite well,..





Imagine we find a 150 year old elephant, with trunk cancer, and it has 3 weeks to live. We have a Saudi Prince willing to pay 150k to shoot it. They money will go to rebuilding an elephant watering hole, and fighting off poachers... Seems like a good deal to me?

Does anybody deny that game reserves have the potential to keep wild populations going outside of national parks? Is there an alternative?

Sadly, this is the sort of thing that ISIS are destroying, in museums and such, in the territory they take.

Those lovely people, kind, loving and considerate.

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MDSXR6T said..

jbshack said...


Too early

Sorry

JB, the difference is that the last 2 or 3 decades have seen lion numbers drop significantly*. The opposite is true for GWS.

*numbers are actually increasing slowly over the last few years. Unfortunately its due to elephant poachers.

The only difference is that on land humans are encroaching on space for wild animals. IE bears, Lions. Shark numbers are not on the increase enough to create a problem on their own. HOWEVER a imbalance that will take place from removing a apex predator could result in catastrophic results for the Oceans. Like in the wild Lions are now being hunted and killed by Hyena in their hoards, because their numbers have massively increased because they are now taking over as Apex. Sadly at the same time they are wiping out all other animals on their way and in turn now becoming a problem for humans also. Remove the large Great Whites and see what happens next. Another guy was just attacked by a Bronze whaler in Vic. Todays incident's bite marks look rather bull sharkie. SO my argument is still the same, you can not make a wild environment safe for humans by trying to cull down a particular animal. Kill them all maybe but that would obviously not be wise considering we need to Ocean healthy to be able to breathe and regulate the worlds temps.. Its exactly the same story Lion, Shark..

Better still stop expecting someone else to fix the problem for you, buy a device and take some responsibility for yourself, or stop whining..

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MDSXR6T said..

jbshack said...


Too early

Sorry

JB, the difference is that the last 2 or 3 decades have seen lion numbers drop significantly*. The opposite is true for GWS.

*numbers are actually increasing slowly over the last few years. Unfortunately its due to elephant poachers.

That is because we humans shared the same living space with the land-based animals. We out-gunned and out smart the animals. You wont see a dentist, or a lawyer, or any rich pricks with $50,000 to spare, and is foolish or brave enough to venture into the ocean with a bow and arrow, or a spear gun, to hunt a GWS. However, they will feel very safe inside a steel cage though.

Shouldn't the title to this thread be "Inhumanity makes me sad." ????

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cisco said..

Shouldn't the title to this thread be "Inhumanity makes me sad." ????

The title is suitable accurate.

time.com/3976234/nepal-gadhimai-festival-animal-sacrifice-animal-rights-hinduism-religion/

The old dentist is in a spot of bother now. Zimbabwe calling for his extradition. In the USA any petition of over 100000 signatures with in a month (something like that) will/must be presented to the president. Well with 26 days still to go it already has 190000 plus..

Id guess he is in a bit of a pickle. Lets hope they also get the crocked officials in Zimbabwe along the way

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jbshack said..

Thats GOLD JB

I agree there is a lot going wrong in the world but I guess Cecil was just a symbol of everything that's wrong with us.
Cecil didn't know what hit him, he was just living his life when human interaction ended his life cruelly. He had to fight against extreme odds to be where he was in the pride and we can so casually destroy his life for a lousy trophy. Human beings are a plague on this earth. The world would be better off without us. If the dentist went out buck naked with a stick and fought Cecil to death you at least say it was a fair fight.
But killing at a distance and calling yourself a big brave hunter just makes me angry and sad.
Ps I am not a greenie

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DARTH said..Thats GOLD JB

Calvin is my kinda kid.......






stephen

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jbshack said..

Maybe I am dumb but I don't get it.

Animals do kill for food.

So do we.

Yes I see the juxtaposition of multiple shooters on one defenceless guy but animals really do that......... as do unethical shooters.

So the point is...????

I guess animal must be big to be protected and have some sympathy.

What about this small ones , tiny, too small too see ?

If somebody would cry on viruses and bacteria becoming extinct due to our actions ?

If poor polio microbe , chicken pot or measles has also rights to exist on our world ? Or world is too small for everybody ?

This tiny creatures also don't do anything else that fight hard for their existence in their own habitats, and their life is not easy one.

We are wiping them by billions everyday...

There could be the most poisonous snake or spider, but nobody will ever consider wiping them completely from our ecosystem.

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Mark _australia said..

jbshack said..

Maybe I am dumb but I don't get it.

Animals do kill for food.

So do we.

Yes I see the juxtaposition of multiple shooters on one defenseless guy but animals really do that......... as do unethical shooters.

So the point is...????

Hunting for food and hunting for fun are different don't you think? Thats where this is taking you Mark.

Cheer Up!

I think only Barn has it right. The big, giant, whopping big giant, huge clue is in the title:

American dentist who paid $55,000 to kill Africa's most famous lion...

PAID.

See what happens is they set up a reserve where hunting is allowed, for particular, individual animals. Usually the older, infertile males that do nothing except kill the younger males looking for dominance, and the right to breed. These animals actually reduce the overall population of [insert species] by their behaviour.

So they are culled.

Now, you can either cull them yourself or get money off hunters to do it for you, which then goes back into the park to protect the species from poachers and the like.

Then: Cue the moral outrage from people who do not much more than post a 'like' to FaceBook and consider themselves as activists saving a species. The hunter paid/donated $55K. Some pay a lot more than that.

I agree. Good reality check.