International Court of Justice upholds Australia's bid to ban Japanese whaling in Antarctica

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Good stuff!

Really good news. Lets hope our government up holds the ban though..

Would love to see these particular boats scuttled or escorted back to their country of origin.

I suggested somewhere that if Sea-whatsit really wanted to stop whaling they should just sink the Japanese boats. They only got three or four, after all.

Pretty sure Japan will ignore the ruling...

The annoying part about it it they will just go somewhere else. In a sense a great win although it will still continue just out of our eye site

They'll just have to start on the mountain of frozen meat they've got in reserve till they find the next loophole. Not that anyone is eating the stuff.

Japan says it will abide by the ruling.

Thanks sea shep.....thanks Peter Garrett.

Congrats to all including Bob Brown who has reappeared to share in the glory.
The whales are saved, whats next chickens?

^^ How about Great White Sharks?

Let's take Paul Barnett to the ICJ for authorising the killing of Great White Sharks - a protected species.

www.environment.gov.au/marine/marine-species/sharks/whiteshark

Well done Paul Watson, look and learn Greenpeace

Do you think that will stop them? I dont.

Sea shepard, Paul Watson are proper environmental heros. They are the equivelent of a real life captain planet.
Now the whales can do what they do best and have a whale of a time.

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DARTH said..

Do you think that will stop them? I dont.

It should stop them whaling in Australian waters. That is there large scale whaling efforts. They do whale in the the Northern waters and they really can't ramp that up too much.

Having said that if Japan returns to the Southern Ocean in December 2014 SSCS will be their. Also i think it will help polarise more Australians to get behind the cause. Japan has thumbed the Australian government and international courts for years so we will see. But its a huge moral victory and a monstrous step forward

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jbshack said..

DARTH said..

Do you think that will stop them? I dont.

It should stop them whaling in Australian waters. That is there large scale whaling efforts. They do whale in the the Northern waters and they really can't ramp that up too much.

Having said that if Japan returns to the Southern Ocean in December 2014 SSCS will be their. Also i think it will help polarise more Australians to get behind the cause. Japan has thumbed the Australian government and international courts for years so we will see. But its a huge moral victory and a monstrous step forward

Agreed, but I cant help thinking this a massive buisness for the Japs and they wont just lie down and take it.

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DARTH said..

jbshack said..

DARTH said..

Do you think that will stop them? I dont.

It should stop them whaling in Australian waters. That is there large scale whaling efforts. They do whale in the the Northern waters and they really can't ramp that up too much.

Having said that if Japan returns to the Southern Ocean in December 2014 SSCS will be their. Also i think it will help polarise more Australians to get behind the cause. Japan has thumbed the Australian government and international courts for years so we will see. But its a huge moral victory and a monstrous step forward

Agreed, but I cant help thinking this a massive buisness for the Japs and they wont just lie down and take it.

It's a **** business that is propped up by a government full of old bastards who think they're the master race and refuse to let old traditions die. They have a hard time selling the meat at the premium prices so mountains of it is in cold store and eventually ends up in public school lunches.

Culture and tradition - just another name for fundamentalist religion.

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Razzonater said..

Sea shepard, Paul Watson are proper environmental heros. They are the equivelent of a real life captain planet.
Now the whales can do what they do best and have a whale of a time.

they are retarded wannabe pirates who endanger life at sea.
if they spent a fraction of the money they con from the public on education and advertising in japan, whaling would have ended long ago. instead they waste millions on attention-grabbing sabotage expeditions.

whaling has proved sustainable- there are plenty of fish populations that are on the brink of extinction from overfishing. this is much more of a problem. but whales are 'cute', or 'majestic' or some other anthropomorphic crap, so they need saving.

cue the red thumbs...

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stamp said..

Razzonater said..

Sea shepard, Paul Watson are proper environmental heros. They are the equivelent of a real life captain planet.
Now the whales can do what they do best and have a whale of a time.

they are retarded wannabe pirates who endanger life at sea.
if they spent a fraction of the money they con from the public on education and advertising in japan, whaling would have ended long ago. instead they waste millions on attention-grabbing sabotage expeditions.

whaling has proved sustainable- there are plenty of fish populations that are on the brink of extinction from overfishing. this is much more of a problem. but whales are 'cute', or 'majestic' or some other anthropomorphic crap, so they need saving.

cue the red thumbs...

Whale are not fish! Palm /Face!!

The most likely outcome of all this? The IWC creates a formal description of what "scientific whaling" would actually consist of, then Japan redesigns their programme to comply. And opens the gateway for other naqtions.

Next most likely option - Japan withdraws from the IWC and does whatever they want anyway.

So yeah, it might be good to win, but if the outcome is more whales killed than before, not so good

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And on a more contraversial note - a well run whaling programme with sustainable take limits is not actually that unreasonable a proposition. A lot of the argument has been about the intelligence of whales - most filter feeders are anything but. How smafrt do you need to be to swim around with your mouth open!

so what seasheperds are going to do if this war is over?
just go home gettin p.t.s.d., drugs and alcohol ?
perhaps they would be the last ones who wanted to end this completely

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dmitri said..

so what seasheperds are going to do if this war is over?
just go home gettin p.t.s.d., drugs and alcohol ?
perhaps they would be the last ones who wanted to end this completely

Sea Shepherd does so much more than you could ever imagine. The whales are a big effort but have you ever seen for instance their work in the Galapagos Islands The worlds largest marine park and they had little resources to police it.
So SSCS provided, boats, rangers, buildings and offices including look outs. A world class sophisticated radar network to detect poaching vessels. A level team that has helped write the manuals for prosecution of perpetrators. Hell they've even trained and supplied sniffer dogs and handler training to detect illegal catches..

Sea Shepherd has never had a death or even a major injury on board any vessel. They actually were able to search and locate the Distress beacon of a missing ship two years ago, in conditions that forced the NZ navy to turn back.

They run on about 95% of total funds raised goes into direct action campaigns.

Another point that gets raised is they are pirates. Well they only interfere where the laws are not being upheld. Thats why they have never had any charge laid against them stick..Because they are actually operating directly with in the law

Sea Shepherd should head over to the WA coast and continue their good work by fighting our own illogical and unscientific program of indiscriminate killing of protected marine species.

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Bonominator said..

Sea Shepherd should head over to the WA coast and continue their good work by fighting our own illogical and unscientific program of indiscriminate killing of protected marine species.

or they can head over to the high seas to pick up all the rubbish that recently been discovered by satellites.
that would be good thing too

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DARTH said..

jbshack said..

DARTH said..

Do you think that will stop them? I dont.

It should stop them whaling in Australian waters. That is there large scale whaling efforts. They do whale in the the Northern waters and they really can't ramp that up too much.

Having said that if Japan returns to the Southern Ocean in December 2014 SSCS will be their. Also i think it will help polarise more Australians to get behind the cause. Japan has thumbed the Australian government and international courts for years so we will see. But its a huge moral victory and a monstrous step forward

Agreed, but I cant help thinking this a massive buisness for the Japs and they wont just lie down and take it.

The market for whale meat in japan is a shrinking one. Most people in japan dont eat it.
It's the same situation as anywhere else. Those who want it to continue make themost noise so people think everyone wants it.
I think the whole industry will now die a natural death, much as it did forty years ago in australia.
In australias case, the industry simply became uneconomical and I expect that will now happen in japan.

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DARTH said..
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/04/01/01/16/japan-deeply-disappointed-at-whaling-loss

I wouldn't put too much weight on what he said.
He was the guy putting the whaling industries side of the argument in the case.
I wouldn't expect him to say anything different to what he said, but I don't think he represents the view of the average person in japan.
If it represented the aveage view, there would not be mountains of uneaten whale meat in cold storage in japan.
It would have all been consumed in whale burgers or whatever they do with it.

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pweedas said..

DARTH said..
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/04/01/01/16/japan-deeply-disappointed-at-whaling-loss

I wouldn't put too much weight on what he said.
He was the guy putting the whaling industries side of the argument in the case.
I wouldn't expect him to say anything different to what he said, but I don't think he represents the view of the average person in japan.
If it represented the aveage view, there would not be mountains of uneaten whale meat in cold storage in japan.
It would have all been consumed in whale burgers or whatever they do with it.

From what Ive read there already is a massive surplus.

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DARTH said..

pweedas said..

DARTH said..
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/04/01/01/16/japan-deeply-disappointed-at-whaling-loss

I wouldn't put too much weight on what he said.
He was the guy putting the whaling industries side of the argument in the case.
I wouldn't expect him to say anything different to what he said, but I don't think he represents the view of the average person in japan.
If it represented the aveage view, there would not be mountains of uneaten whale meat in cold storage in japan.
It would have all been consumed in whale burgers or whatever they do with it.

From what Ive read there already is a massive surplus.

I know you're all quick with the red thumbs and I now see nobody actually reads my posts

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Kamikuza said.

It's a **** business that is propped up by a government full of old bastards who think they're the master race and refuse to let old traditions die. They have a hard time selling the meat at the premium prices so mountains of it is in cold store and eventually ends up in public school lunches.

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jbshack said..
Really good news. Lets hope our government up holds the ban though..

Why wouldn't the Australian government uphold the ban? Australia is the one who went to the International Court of Justice.

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Kamikuza said..

DARTH said..

pweedas said..

DARTH said..
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/04/01/01/16/japan-deeply-disappointed-at-whaling-loss

I wouldn't put too much weight on what he said.
He was the guy putting the whaling industries side of the argument in the case.
I wouldn't expect him to say anything different to what he said, but I don't think he represents the view of the average person in japan.
If it represented the aveage view, there would not be mountains of uneaten whale meat in cold storage in japan.
It would have all been consumed in whale burgers or whatever they do with it.

From what Ive read there already is a massive surplus.

I know you're all quick with the red thumbs and I now see nobody actually reads my posts

Kamikuza said.

It's a **** business that is propped up by a government full of old bastards who think they're the master race and refuse to let old traditions die. They have a hard time selling the meat at the premium prices so mountains of it is in cold store and eventually ends up in public school lunches.

I totally agree. Japan had around 17 years worth of supply of Whale meat in storage. They did lose a small amount in the tsunami but still its not about anything other than a huge work for the welfare scheme. The IRRC and Japan ministers have said that this is about sovereign rights and them not being told what to do by a snooty NGO like Sea Shepherd.

Lets not forget that Japan gave something like $18 million of donated Tsunami fund the the company that whales in the southern ocean

Japan has an idea that if they can hunt down a species and have huge storage of that meat, it increases their value of holdings. That is also what they are working for on Tuna.. This has been released in Minutes of meetings over the years and is not secret squirrels stuff..

EDIT sorry one other point is that most of the Free School Lunch Program, is actually Dolphin meat passed of as whale

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Kamikuza said..

DARTH said..

pweedas said..

DARTH said..
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/04/01/01/16/japan-deeply-disappointed-at-whaling-loss

I wouldn't put too much weight on what he said.
He was the guy putting the whaling industries side of the argument in the case.
I wouldn't expect him to say anything different to what he said, but I don't think he represents the view of the average person in japan.
If it represented the aveage view, there would not be mountains of uneaten whale meat in cold storage in japan.
It would have all been consumed in whale burgers or whatever they do with it.

From what Ive read there already is a massive surplus.

I know you're all quick with the red thumbs and I now see nobody actually reads my posts

Kamikuza said.

It's a **** business that is propped up by a government full of old bastards who think they're the master race and refuse to let old traditions die. They have a hard time selling the meat at the premium prices so mountains of it is in cold store and eventually ends up in public school lunches.

Ha! Thats where I read it

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billykiter said..

jbshack said..
Really good news. Lets hope our government up holds the ban though..

Why wouldn't the Australian government uphold the ban? Australia is the one who went to the International Court of Justice.

Because Japan was already breaking Australian sovereign and inetrnational laws. All Australia had to do was uphold the law and they could have moved on the whalers. Thats the main ground SSCS has to operate against the whalers because they were upholding the law in a deficit of any other group. The Australian Government don't want to admit it, but Paul Watson is doing what Australia is too scared to do. If Japan return in December 2014 what will the Australian government do then Will they go down and uphold the law or will they just let it run like they have done for so long