https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-17/stingray-attacks-man-at-tasmanian-beach/10507834

Does one perform CPR if there is massive blood loss?

Unlikely there was massive visible blood loss, you don't know what's been damaged internally with a penetrating injury, if it was me I'd prefer they gave CPR their best shot.

So sad, i cant help but again question, i just watched the ch 7 news and the second story was about a surfer bitten by a Wobby but no mention of this Stingray fatality..

Sting rays are my biggest worry at my local. In remote locations, rays don't come close to humans, but at my local the rays are used to people. We have those double barb rays - the ones the Great Whites won't eat. I normally see them dart under my board as I'm coming in on a light day. It's like they are playing games. Unfortunately if I was ever to fall on one, these animals would panic and attack. As rare as this would be, it makes me always think about it.

Do stingrays "attack" or spine things when they get to close?

A few years ago locally a kid was fishing for whiting, standing in 6 inches of water, stingray barb went through the section at the back of his ankle, he ended up losing all the muscle on his calf as the poison/bacteria from the barb spread up his leg.

Always mindful of this as I'm walking back to shore through shallow water having sailed an outgoing tide and had a long walk back to shore. Purposely have my board ahead of me with a view to sending any rays out of the way.

Probably has a heart attack following trauma

think we are looking at fake news headlines here, stingrays do not attack people, they do not have a brain capable of making rational choices.

they have an instinctive defence mechanism

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Rails said..
Probably has a heart attack following trauma

think we are looking at fake news headlines here, stingrays do not attack people, they do not have a brain capable of making rational choices.

they have an instinctive defence mechanism

Stingrays are lefties?!

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jn1 said..
Sting rays are my biggest worry at my local. In remote locations, rays don't come close to humans, but at my local the rays are used to people. We have those double barb rays - the ones the Great Whites won't eat. I normally see them dart under my board as I'm coming in on a light day. It's like they are playing games. Unfortunately if I was ever to fall on one, these animals would panic and attack. As rare as this would be, it makes me always think about it.

farrrk, where abouts you live mate?

Stupid abc click bait title.

Sadly rays are one of the more gentle human friendly things in the ocean, many places they are hand fed, they just don't like being stepped on, prodded or swum over. Out fishing yesterday saw about 50 rays with only maybe 10 getting to reasonable size, not a great survival rate there.

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quikdrawMcgraw said..
Do stingrays "attack" or spine things when they get to close?

Word Smithing ? . Practice a flickyspinny thing in 2 foot of water, stuff it up and fall either chest or back first onto a big ray that can't get out of the way. What could potentially happen ?. Rare as it could be, I keep one eye on the sea bed when they are around and definitely no practice when the water is brown.

Tonz: Adelaide.

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Rails said..
they do not have a brain capable of making rational choices.

Sounds like some of the users that frequent heavy weather hehe

Animals like some humans can be assholes, in some breeds of animals it is a rare occurance, in others it is regular, dependent on the social structure of the creatures lives will also either encourage or discourage asshole behaviour.
To say a stingray is not capable of rational thought is a huge misunderstanding of their capacity at thought process.

So point 1, The reason stingrays have the barb is not only for defence but also attack, if you have ever gone for a dive for crays and tried to take them out of a stingrays cave you will be stalked and rounded up. If it is a large bull ray and you go near his ledge ( not even in it just within a couple metres ) he will come over tail up to shake you down, providing you retreat you are sweet. I'm not sure what would happen if you didn't as I never chose that option. I would assume likely a barb in the face.

So personally I think some stingrays are actually assholes, probably like 25%.

Did the stingray want to deliberately bust him up,,,, yes of course it did,,,, would every stingray of done it to him ,,, of course not.

If you find this hard to believe would you know that dolphins have killed several humans.
In dolphins the asshole population is like maybe at best 1% , most likely .5 %. Dolphins have sex for fun and are pretty intelligent, they are known to make friendships with people and also certain boats but every now and than in their genetic pool a serial killer dolphin comes along.

These are the actions of a rogue stingray, mark my words

I think this is how you deal with them

time for a cull

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Razzonater said..
Animals like some humans can be assholes, in some breeds of animals it is a rare occurance, in others it is regular, dependent on the social structure of the creatures lives will also either encourage or discourage asshole behaviour.
To say a stingray is not capable of rational thought is a huge misunderstanding of their capacity at thought process.

So point 1, The reason stingrays have the barb is not only for defence but also attack, if you have ever gone for a dive for crays and tried to take them out of a stingrays cave you will be stalked and rounded up. If it is a large bull ray and you go near his ledge ( not even in it just within a couple metres ) he will come over tail up to shake you down, providing you retreat you are sweet. I'm not sure what would happen if you didn't as I never chose that option. I would assume likely a barb in the face.

So personally I think some stingrays are actually assholes, probably like 25%.

Did the stingray want to deliberately bust him up,,,, yes of course it did,,,, would every stingray of done it to him ,,, of course not.

If you find this hard to believe would you know that dolphins have killed several humans.
In dolphins the asshole population is like maybe at best 1% , most likely .5 %. Dolphins have sex for fun and are pretty intelligent, they are known to make friendships with people and also certain boats but every now and than in their genetic pool a serial killer dolphin comes along.

These are the actions of a rogue stingray, mark my words

So some random person comes into your house as you're sitting down to dinner, takes food off your table, you wouldn't do same thing? Hardly the signs of a serial killer stingray. Why would something choose to use & potentially break it's weapon when something more dangerous comes along. Many things are territorial & show aggressive displays from small native fish to sharks.

Now dolphins they are well documented as assholes, they apparrntly have good PR people.

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mkseven said..
Now dolphins they are well documented as assholes, they apparrntly have good PR people.

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mkseven said..
Stupid abc click bait title.

Sadly rays are one of the more gentle human friendly things in the ocean, many places they are hand fed, they just don't like being stepped on, prodded or swum over. Out fishing yesterday saw about 50 rays with only maybe 10 getting to reasonable size, not a great survival rate there.

I was snorkeling over at rotto one year and these 2 rays would literally chase me out of this whole cove area. I guess they had eggs there or maybe mating but damn they were fearless and pretty aggressive.

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Chris6791 said..
... if it was me I'd prefer they gave CPR their best shot.

Not me.

"Are doctors more likely to refuse revival in the event of cardiac arrest?
In the Hopkins study, 90 percent of doctors said they'd rather die by cardiac arrest than be resuscitated. Only a quarter of the public feels the same way.

Do doctors know something we don't about the miracles of CPR?
In one Japanese study of 95,000 CPR cases, just eight percent of patients survived for longer than a month after being revived."

Sauce: www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/are-doctors-more-likely-to-refuse-cpr/260381/

Survival rate is something like 10%. So, you are 10x likely to die anyway. If you do survive you are 10x more likely to be a vegetable than not. That study is for almost 100,000 cases; pretty damn good study.

I listened to a RadioLab podcast on these and similar studies. Pretty much the only thing a doctor would give themselves are painkillers.

Our fantasies of CPR working come from TV and movies. Real life is different. Doctors know the outcomes intimately.

"Well-meaning CPR advocates talk in terms of "survival," but all the term means is that the heart again beats on its own. In the above example, survival was 11 percent, but "survival" as often understood by the public -- regaining a reasonable quality of life -- was zero."

My old man had a pet stingray when I was a kid. It was pretty docile toward everyone other than the postman.

Could never get over how worked up it used to get over the postman. That's what caused its early demise in the end. Flipping across the road to get to the post, hit by the school bus.

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Mackerel said..

mkseven said..
Stupid abc click bait title.

Sadly rays are one of the more gentle human friendly things in the ocean, many places they are hand fed, they just don't like being stepped on, prodded or swum over. Out fishing yesterday saw about 50 rays with only maybe 10 getting to reasonable size, not a great survival rate there.

I was snorkeling over at rotto one year and these 2 rays would literally chase me out of this whole cove area. I guess they had eggs there or maybe mating but damn they were fearless and pretty aggressive.

Was that near chickens reef? I had an eagle ray follow/chase me paddling in from there..

As can be now seen from several anecdotes the statistical odds of a stingray being an asshole is actually quite high.
Most surfers,divers, water users will have a stingray story or two and generally not all pleasant.
For those who have been on the end of an unpleasant harassment from a stingray it is not delusional to think one could be capable of an aggressive unprovoked attack. A stingray would have to have a long tail/large ray to sting in the abdomen if accidentally trodden on, which leads me to believe this was a more sinister motivated attack.

Take for example the below story,(stingray jumps into woman's face)

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/20

There must be stingrays and then stingrays...

I've sailed a couple of spots where they are prolific all summer, hundreds of sailors and kiters kick them every afternoon all summer and never heard of a nick on the foot....

Whats the go?

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evlPanda said..

Chris6791 said..
... if it was me I'd prefer they gave CPR their best shot.

Not me.


Our fantasies of CPR working come from TV and movies. Real life is different. Doctors know the outcomes intimately.

Even if the patient flatlines, CPR will keep many of those needed organs viable for transplant.

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evlPanda said..

Chris6791 said..
... if it was me I'd prefer they gave CPR their best shot.

Not me.

"Are doctors more likely to refuse revival in the event of cardiac arrest?
In the Hopkins study, 90 percent of doctors said they'd rather die by cardiac arrest than be resuscitated. Only a quarter of the public feels the same way.

Do doctors know something we don't about the miracles of CPR?
In one Japanese study of 95,000 CPR cases, just eight percent of patients survived for longer than a month after being revived."

Sauce: www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/are-doctors-more-likely-to-refuse-cpr/260381/

Survival rate is something like 10%. So, you are 10x likely to die anyway. If you do survive you are 10x more likely to be a vegetable than not. That study is for almost 100,000 cases; pretty damn good study.

I listened to a RadioLab podcast on these and similar studies. Pretty much the only thing a doctor would give themselves are painkillers.

Our fantasies of CPR working come from TV and movies. Real life is different. Doctors know the outcomes intimately.

"Well-meaning CPR advocates talk in terms of "survival," but all the term means is that the heart again beats on its own. In the above example, survival was 11 percent, but "survival" as often understood by the public -- regaining a reasonable quality of life -- was zero."

Three months ago came across the body of a jogger that was not there 20 mins. before hand . No one else around at first . I did everything by the book with 000 listening (iPhone on loudspeaker beside jogger)till ambos arrived . I felt pretty down that he was not revived as per the movies until I was told by Police what you outline above including it was probably better he did not survive heart attack and that I did everything that could be done.

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Mark _australia said..
There must be stingrays and then stingrays...

I've sailed a couple of spots where they are prolific all summer, hundreds of sailors and kiters kick them every afternoon all summer and never heard of a nick on the foot....

Whats the go?

Don't do that.

Apparently they like to hide under the seabed in the sand.wish l had not googled that.

Unless it's a witnessed cardiac arrest, your survivability is pretty much zero. If someone sees you collapse you've got a very slim chance of a positive outcome. I'm under no illusions about the prospects of surviving a cardiac arrest, but I have done it once and seen CPR numerous times first hand with positive outcomes. Ultimately there's nothing lost by trying and it will give peace of mind to some people that they did their best.

Ive also seen people start CPR on people so dead it was nothing but futile....

The only answer to this pressing public menace is drum line the fark out of rays too.

Razzonator what's your point, not one of the attacks you listed was sinister. Woman being hit my eagle ray, yeah happens from fish all the time, guy killed moving ray in aquarium- most things don't like being touched, people being stung... you don't wander around the african savanna & expect not to get eaten, it's their primary habitat not ours.

There are only a couple of rays that can strike above them- mantas, cow tailed rays. Those few aside the people hit in the abdomen are likely swimming in shallow water, just like you see kids do, often not making much commotion which lets them get right next to the rays.

I've spent my life around the water, i don't spearfish or dive but have spent alot of time wading through stingray habitat. I've seen hundreds of rays when walking in from re-mooring a boat, stepped on some HUGE rays, been close to flying rays, caught hundreds of them, carefully shuffled them off with foot & been hit by their tails maybe a dozen times but thankfully avoided sting.

But i've never been hunted/attacked by an angry killer ray, it is defense instinct or accident. I don't doubt they would be territorial, have had sharks & fish do the same (out windsurfing one day was repeatedly attacked by a sharp toothed little b@stard & man it high lights how much out of your element & defenseless we are).

To suggest that they are all dangerous killers is trolling. What would've happen if you start feeding agro ray instead of taking his food? I will admit it's a little disconcerting when snorkling & a ray comes up to say hello.

For most what can you do- don't swim in super shallow water, shuffle, make noise, push boat/windsurfing gear/stick etc out ahead of you, take care getting them off hooks & accept that a lifetime around the water chances are you will get hit. If you do put stung part in as hot water as you can stand & get to doctor to clean out wound, if you have any of slime membrane in wound you're going to have issues.