Select to expand quoteD3 said..
I don't think it's a stitch up, I think it is poorly timed and should have been fully investigated years ago.
As i heard an RSL spokesperson say "Justice delayed, is justice denied".
But once the whole defamation thing played out, it absolutely needed to thoroughly and transparently investigated and brought to trial if that's what evidence turned up.
Once the defamation case brought all this to light, it would have been Un-Australian to sweep it under the rug and pretend we never saw it.
If the allegations of war crimes in Afghanistan were properly and professionaly investigated within a few years, and prior to the media putting BRS through the ringer, it's unlikely there would be this much anger about it now.
Select to expand quoteIanR said..cammd said..
Are you anti Palestinian, that's a religious nationalist movement.
Btw, you need to get something for that tds, everytime you post there is some reference to trump or maga or orange cults. I think he's got into your head.
Um Palestinian is not a Political or Religious Movement it is a population group or race
There are even Christian Palestinians being persecuted by the Israeli army right now in Lebanon
The depths of your ignorance astounds me
How can you write the Palestinian movement is not political or nationalist. That astounds me. At its core its a political nationalist movement seeking land identity and statehood. The groups in charge are fundamentally religious. I think you got checkmated and now are just trying to yell over the top.
You do support a religious nationalist movement after all. It happens to hate Jews and would love to eradicate them . Ringing any bells.
Gaza has been an occupied state by an an aggressive pariah nationalist country, that has been funding Hamas for decades. No surprises that they hate Israel - most of the world feel the same way.
Israel is a finished state from what I can tell. They failed to remove Hamas and are far from regime change in Iran - they lost. Lets wave them bye bye.
Do you own a dictionary cammd.
Look up the word Palestinian. it is an Arab ethnonational group indigenous to the Levant
You checkmate yourself by trying to deflect and not understanding what you actually write
You need to do a Montreal Cognitive Assessment
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
Israel is a finished state from what I can tell.
Meh, maybes.
But Israel is also one of the few (if only?) states currently growing its territory.
Maybe you could say Russia is also trying, but I think Russia is more trying to reclaim what it has lost in the last few decades, whereas Israel is taking what it never had.
If Israel continues to expand at the same rate it has since 1948 then it will eventually occupy 87.2% of the combined lands of both the earth and the moon.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
Gaza has been an occupied state ..
Oh yeah, just to be pedant I don't think Gaza has ever been a state, or even really ever claimed to be a state.
Although maybe IanR can use one of his many dictionaries to find a definition of 'state' that meets some description that could also be applied to the Gaza strip.
Checking my dictionary it says 'a' is for apple......
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Meh, maybes.
But Israel is also one of the few (if only?) states currently growing its territory.
Maybe you could say Russia is also trying, but I think Russia is more trying to reclaim what it has lost in the last few decades, whereas Israel is taking what it never had.
If Israel continues to expand at the same rate it has since 1948 then it will eventually occupy 87.2% of the combined lands of both the earth and the moon.
Territory, no doubt. Population wise they are dwarfed by neighbors who hate them. So I think holding the land gained is unsustainable. I also can't see U.S. funding their war efforts, to the same extent, for too much longer. They've lost, which is unfortunate as there is nowhere else who wants them.
Select to expand quoteIanR said..
Do you own a dictionary cammd.
Look up the word Palestinian. it is an Arab ethnonational group indigenous to the Levant
You checkmate yourself by trying to deflect and not understanding what you actually write
You need to do a Montreal Cognitive Assessment
Ok IanR , Palestinian is a Arab ethno group as per the dictiionary.
Now thats sorted can you answer if you support the Palestinian cause which is a political nationalist movement run by religious zealots.
OK Cammd, can you reafirm your support for Donald Trump and his recent actions? How do you think MAGA is going?
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
OK Cammd, can you reafirm your support for Donald Trump and his recent actions? How do you think MAGA is going?
Take a break from the algorithm MSN, Trump is getting into your head too.
But to answer your question, I support some stuff Trump does, not all. I support some stuff Albanese does, not all. I don't take a side in politics and support everything that side does because that's my side.
Like you said regarding BRS its not left vs right. You need think for yourself and sometimes I just don't know what to think. I dont know what to think about BRS being charged.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said.
Oh yeah, just to be pedant I don't think Gaza has ever been a state, or even really ever claimed to be a state.
Although maybe IanR can use one of his many dictionaries to find a definition of 'state' that meets some description that could also be applied to the Gaza strip.
Checking my dictionary it says 'a' is for apple......
well I'll be more pedantic. It was a recognised kingdom or whatever with some kind of ownership in biblical times and Israel conquered it.
Then lost it. Then maybe got it back again. Then lost it again.
The problem is tribal historical ownership and they read slightly different versions of the old book so they gonna fight.
Select to expand quotecammd said..IanR said..
Do you own a dictionary cammd.
Look up the word Palestinian. it is an Arab ethnonational group indigenous to the Levant
You checkmate yourself by trying to deflect and not understanding what you actually write
You need to do a Montreal Cognitive Assessment
Ok IanR , Palestinian is a Arab ethno group as per the dictiionary.
Now thats sorted can you answer if you support the Palestinian cause which is a political nationalist movement run by religious zealots.
Not before you answer my question about providing evidence that Pell was not released for prison because of a legal technicality
Will you explain your support of a nationalist movement run by religious zealots that is committing war crimes against the another ethic group
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
well I'll be more pedantic. It was a recognised kingdom or whatever with some kind of ownership in biblical times and Israel conquered it.
Then lost it. Then maybe got it back again. Then lost it again.
The problem is tribal historical ownership and they read slightly different versions of the old book so they gonna fight.
The status of Gaza, prior to Israel recreating a lunar landscape and committing crimes against humanity on it's people, was an occupied territory.
Kind of like a huge open air prison, where suitcases of cash were delivered to Hamas from Netanyahu to help keep the prison population stable.
Select to expand quoteIanR said..cammd said..IanR said..
Do you own a dictionary cammd.
Look up the word Palestinian. it is an Arab ethnonational group indigenous to the Levant
You checkmate yourself by trying to deflect and not understanding what you actually write
You need to do a Montreal Cognitive Assessment
Ok IanR , Palestinian is a Arab ethno group as per the dictiionary.
Now thats sorted can you answer if you support the Palestinian cause which is a political nationalist movement run by religious zealots.
Not before you answer my question about providing evidence that Pell was not released for prison because of a legal technicality
Will you explain your support of a nationalist movement run by religious zealots that is committing war crimes against the another ethic group
Yeah I support Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. I'm not ashamed to state that position, unlike you with all your wriggling and squirming around semantics to avoid admitting you do support a religious nationalist movement. I think your just fooling yourself to believe otherwise.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..Mark _australia said..
well I'll be more pedantic. It was a recognised kingdom or whatever with some kind of ownership in biblical times and Israel conquered it.
Then lost it. Then maybe got it back again. Then lost it again.
The problem is tribal historical ownership and they read slightly different versions of the old book so they gonna fight.
The status of Gaza, prior to Israel recreating a lunar landscape and committing crimes against humanity on it's people, was an occupied territory.
Kind of like a huge open air prison.
A huge open air prison governed by Hamas
Israel withdrew in 2005 I think. Billions of dollars were pumped in by UN. It could could have been a 5 star resort destination with all that money . Instead Hamas dug tunnels and made bombs and kept everyone in poverty. Except of course for the leaders living it up in luxury hotels offsite.
Select to expand quotecammd said..
Yeah I support Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. I'm not ashamed to state that position, unlike you with all your wriggling and squirming around semantics to avoid admitting you do support a religious nationalist movement. I think your just fooling yourself to believe otherwise.
It's in most of the worlds best interests for Israel to exist - where they are and agree to a two state solution. But they are failing to make that work. They are fighting wars on 7 fronts now. They have shown scant regard for any kind of diplomacy and are a pariah state.
Do you continue to condone the war crimes that Israel have been charged with under international law?
Select to expand quotecammd said..
Yeah I support Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. I'm not ashamed to state that position, unlike you with all your wriggling and squirming around semantics to avoid admitting you do support a religious nationalist movement. I think your just fooling yourself to believe otherwise.
Nothing on Pell
Your support of a apartheid nation committing genocide is obvious
My question was to explain why, time for that cognitive test?
Why do the Palestinians not have a right to exist in the land they have lived since the destruction of the second temple
I support Palestine right to exist and defend itself
I support the Palestinian National Authority not Hamas or Hezbollah
Select to expand quoteIanR said..
I support the Palestinian National Authority
Any chance you could expand a little ?
You mean you provide them financial assistance, or you volunteer there or you support them with some sort of tangible assistance?
Or do you mean you hold some sort of moral opinion you vent on a watersports forum pertaining to what you perceive as the wrongs of the world, even though you know little about the actual organisation, controlling members or their practices ?
Select to expand quoteIanR said..cammd said..
Yeah I support Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. I'm not ashamed to state that position, unlike you with all your wriggling and squirming around semantics to avoid admitting you do support a religious nationalist movement. I think your just fooling yourself to believe otherwise.
Nothing on Pell
Well I have to agree I am not a legal proffesional so most likely ignorant of many of the technical aspects of law
My limited research keeps bring up the same reasons why he was acquitted by the high court. That being the jury should have had a reasonable doubt given the evidence.
So is the legal technicality you keep referring to the need to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by evidence.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
A huge open air prison governed by Hamas
Israel withdrew in 2005 I think. Billions of dollars were pumped in by UN. It could could have been a 5 star resort destination with all that money . Instead Hamas dug tunnels and made bombs and kept everyone in poverty. Except of course for the leaders living it up in luxury hotels offsite.
I'd suggest you read up a little about the relationship between Israel and Hamas, before blurting your fake news.
www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
And now that Gaza resembles a moonscape, guess who is still in charge.
That's right. Israel lost the war in Gaza.
Just spit it out cammd. Tell us what we all know. That you are an odious racist zionist pig that supports the genocide of muslims, pedo Donald Trump and Pauline Hanson 
I hope you get suspended for that abusive slur, its a typical leftard response when facts get in the way of your antisemite ideology.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..IanR said..
I support the Palestinian National Authority
Any chance you could expand a little ?
You mean you provide them financial assistance, or you volunteer there or you support them with some sort of tangible assistance?
Or do you mean you hold some sort of moral opinion you vent on a watersports forum pertaining to what you perceive as the wrongs of the world, even though you know little about the actual organisation, controlling members or their practices ?
Sure Carantoc
I give them no Tangible assistance
I know a little more about the Palestine Authority than you might think I meet Yasser Arafat a couple of months after the signing of the first Oslo Accord and it seemed as thought there was hope for peace in the region. Unfortunately it turn out that Israels aim was to create something like a South African Homeland ( Transkei ) in Israel
Yes I have a Moral compass and I'm prepared to state my opinion
Select to expand quotecammd said..
I hope you get suspended for that abusive slur, its a typical leftard response when facts get in the way of your antisemite ideology.
It was an article from The Times of Israel and a Wikipedia entry.
The facts are Israel funded Hamas, and it blew up in their face.
The secondary part of the message was a joke - didn't you see the emoji at the end?
I was making a point that too often we are all guilty of saying you said 'this' which means you think _INSERT OUTRAGOUS UNTRUE STATEMENT HERE_
Sorry if I triggered you again.
Thanks team.
Usual story: Watersports site, made for pain relief and fun. Clearly, a bit of name calling going on.
Plenty of other places to discuss this stuff.
Thanks.
How sad is it that we cannot have a robust conversation without a far right snowflake running off to the mods to complain.
