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So the net gain is what we all already know?
Why do you say I'm happy about Australians being killed by foreigners?
You are making this up.
The fact that you are so against any action being taken against Australians who kill foreigners seems to indicate that you don't see it as being very wrong. If that's not being happy with mass murder of foreigners then it's practically indistinguishable from being happy with it.
If you were NOT happy with Australians killing foreigners, you would support action being taken against alleged mass murderers.
So MSN thinks murder shouldn't be investigated if it doesn't result in some ROI that benefits Australia?
As if Justice is not a valid outcome?
And Carantoc is ok with Australian service personnel committing warcrimes in the dark to instil fear in our oppononents.
Good to know
I hate that this is now politicised. Cheap politicians use this for their little gains. Sad really.
On the original comment, I was in an army (not Australian), trained as a squad leader for 6 months before taking general duties, but was not in a war.
We had heaps of classroom time.
A lot of military tactics, arms, political brainwashing...
Arrest approach, setting handcuffs, physical combat etc.
But no ethics, moral stands, nothing about war crime, prisoners treatment.
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So MSN thinks murder shouldn't be investigated if it doesn't result in some ROI that benefits Australia?
As if Justice is not a valid outcome?
And Carantoc is ok with Australian service personnel committing warcrimes in the dark to instil fear in our oppononents.
Good to know
But murder was investigated years ago, and BRS was disgraced as a result. I think it's an extremely grey area applying civilian standards to a war.
Australia needs an investigation into the AFP in how they allocate their limited resources. I think they may be failing us.
If they investigated those who kill Australians with the same vigour as they chased an Australian soldier who may have killed some foreigners then I may not have the same opinion.
Why hasn't Puneet Puneet been brought to justice, why wasn't the Bondi shooter watched more closely prior to murdering so many Australians? Why is there no progress on the Australian Aid worker murdered in Gaza?
D3, you didn't mention anything regarding my point in my first post about Australia inviting Israel's president here some months back.
Based on how you perceive others, I could extend that to mean that you are complicit with genocide and the war crimes committed by Israel.
- which is good to know
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But no ethics, moral stands, nothing about war crime, prisoners treatment.
That does surprises me, maybe BRS will use that in his defence.
If soldiers are not taught ethics, prisoner treatment etc, how are they supposed to know what to do when faced with that situation in the field?
FFS, of course Australian personnel get training in Rules of Engagement based on international law.
NCOs and officers also get training and education in ethics as part of their promotion training.
And considering the SAS are trained in operating with minimal oversight out in the field, it is very unlikely that they are unaware of rules regarding unarmed prisoners.
They are among the best trained soldiers in the world, so that they know what to do in difficult and challenging situations. (Which include the likely situation where they have prisoners far from support).
Commentators should afford him the presumption of innocence as per Australian law and social values and he should be shown the respect a decorated veteran deserves until proven otherwise.
Whatever he did or didnt do needs to be seen through a lense that understands its was a war against an enemy that doesnt play by the rules we impose on our soldiers. They don't wear uniforms, they hide amongst civilians and have no obligations to international rules of war they would respect.
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Commentators should afford him the presumption of innocence as per Australian law and social values and he should be shown the respect a decorated veteran deserves until proven otherwise.
Whatever he did or didnt do needs to be seen through a lense that understands its was a war against an enemy that doesnt play by the rules we impose on our soldiers. They don't wear uniforms, they hide amongst civilians and have no obligations to international rules of war they would respect.
Agreed.
After the Heston Russel witch hunt based on hear say no one really should comment on a trial polluted by the media.
We should also respect the 21 soldiers who testified against him. If he was German, Japanese, Iranian, Iraqis, or any one else right wingers would be baying for blood.
Australians have a proud heritage of playing by the rule book. Let the courts do their job.
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We should also respect the 21 soldiers who testified against him. If he was German, Japanese, Iranian, Iraqis, or any one else right wingers would be baying for blood.
Australians have a proud heritage of playing by the rule book. Let the courts do their job.
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Yeah baying for blood goes both ways, I do agree, let the courts do their job, the cops are not above stiching people up.
Remember Cardinal Pell, the cops had to actually advertise for alleged victims because there was no complaints. An man innocent put in jail for the most heinous crimes he never commited. There was no shortage of people baying for his blood simple because they don't like Christians or Israel Falou. The guy was blatantly discriminated against as proven by the court case yet the mob wanted him cancelled, hung drawn and quartered.
