I love the fact the Govt mouthpiece who tries to sell it to us says "no more tying on and a few km later it's loose..."
So that can't happen with straps as the load settles...? Turn it up

there is ALREADY an offence for 'insecure load' so numpties who can't use a rope can be dealt with. Do we really need another law - especially one so nonsensical that won't solve anything? I'm all for making sure truckies use rated straps but Mr Jones with a plastic garden setting that weighs 3/5ths of 5/8ths in his trailer......? Rope won't do it huh...

Totally agree with mark . There are insecure load laws already.
Dad had trucks I reckon I learned to tie a load down before my shoes .
Ive gotten my advanced riggers ticket just to learn how to tie more knots .
The first people to sail to this country did it all with ropes .
I do use tie downs all the time because it doesn't dint my loads as i tend to massively tie down harder with rope.
Hows the blokes i saw out the back of each window holding polycarb roof sheet on to roof of crew cab ute leaving bunnings going to worry about it .
I want to not only protest about this total insult to peoples intelligence i want to kick whoever thought of this in the nuts twice .
Its a total failure and as mark says when the load settles the hooks come off with tie downs so you end up with absolutely nothing holding the load.
What is going to be next ban hammers because people have hit there hands & now all nails must be installed by nail gun.
What are people thinking when they come up with this sort of crap.
Lets make Australia look like were all a bunch of retards.

Just google 'The best overloaded transport pictures' ;)

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actiomax said..
Totally agree with mark . There are insecure load laws already.
Dad had trucks I reckon I learned to tie a load down before my shoes .
Ive gotten my advanced riggers ticket just to learn how to tie more knots .
The first people to sail to this country did it all with ropes .
I do use tie downs all the time because it doesn't dint my loads as i tend to massively tie down harder with rope.
Hows the blokes i saw out the back of each window holding polycarb roof sheet on to roof of crew cab ute leaving bunnings going to worry about it .
I want to not only protest about this total insult to peoples intelligence i want to kick whoever thought of this in the nuts twice .
Its a total failure and as mark says when the load settles the hooks come off with tie downs so you end up with absolutely nothing holding the load.
What is going to be next ban hammers because people have hit there hands & now all nails must be installed by nail gun.
What are people thinking when they come up with this sort of crap.
Lets make Australia look like were all a bunch of retards.

The frightening thing from my perspective is that no one really seems capable, or maybe it's just willing, to extrapolate where this is going in the long term.

Cos ther's now sign of it changing. If anything it is accelerating.

Maybe we make lots of ratchet straps in Australia.

Oh wait...

Type in Chain of responsibility Legislation.

Thats why!

Also go to page 183 http://cottonaustralia.com.au/uploads/resources/LoadRestraint_Guide.PDF of the Load Restraint Guide 2004 second edition, this is the reference guide that the investigators use when an incident occurs. From page 183 you get to understand allot of the science WRT load restraint.

I'm just showing you the tools not telling anyone what to do, it's your own choice and at that point the consequences are your responsibility.

The good thing with us pole dancers is that we work with the wind and understand what wind does so we tend to be very diligent when securing our gear, well the guys I sail with are any way.

Happy reading :)

Funny, well it wasn't funny, thing happened last year when I sailed over to Fiji from Coffs Harbour.

Being relatively, okay very, inexperienced and never having left the country on a boat before the process was entirely new to me. There was reams of paper work. I had to register the boat internationally at vast expense. Part of this process included declaring that I had all of the regulatory safety features.

I did not skip anything obviously but was nevertheless trepidant that customs were going to give the boat a going over, and, knowing what civil servants can be like, I was afraid that there was a possibility that they may prevent me from leaving on one point or another.

No such thing! They did not even look at the boat which was all of one hundred meters walk from their office. Had me gobsmacked.

Then I realised why, or why I think they did not. I reckon that my declaration and their acceptance of the declaration without an inspection relieves them of any responsibility in the event that there was a cock up. Like running into a ship and sinking because the lights were not working and I had no flares.

Thats what I reckon!

Just heard about this today
I've been using straps for a bit now and was recently told there's an $80 fine for every twist
Always been a rope man
I haven't seen 50 shades of grey but I doubt he would've been using tie downs straps
As for knots bowline and truckies and half hitch you can't go wrong

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japie said...
Funny, well it wasn't funny, thing happened last year when I sailed over to Fiji from Coffs Harbour.

Being relatively, okay very, inexperienced and never having left the country on a boat before the process was entirely new to me. There was reams of paper work. I had to register the boat internationally at vast expense. Part of this process included declaring that I had all of the regulatory safety features.

I did not skip anything obviously but was nevertheless trepidant that customs were going to give the boat a going over, and, knowing what civil servants can be like, I was afraid that there was a possibility that they may prevent me from leaving on one point or another.

No such thing! They did not even look at the boat which was all of one hundred meters walk from their office. Had me gobsmacked.

Then I realised why, or why I think they did not. I reckon that my declaration and their acceptance of the declaration without an inspection relieves them of any responsibility in the event that there was a cock up. Like running into a ship and sinking because the lights were not working and I had no flares.

Thats what I reckon!

Wrong regulator. If you had $10k in readies on board then you may have spruiked their interest.
You sinking or having to be rescued is not their department.

Blue and Yellow Telstra rope, Bowline, Truckers Hitch, No Wukka's

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japie said...
Funny, well it wasn't funny, thing happened last year when I sailed over to Fiji from Coffs Harbour.

Being relatively, okay very, inexperienced and never having left the country on a boat before the process was entirely new to me. There was reams of paper work. I had to register the boat internationally at vast expense. Part of this process included declaring that I had all of the regulatory safety features.

I did not skip anything obviously but was nevertheless trepidant that customs were going to give the boat a going over, and, knowing what civil servants can be like, I was afraid that there was a possibility that they may prevent me from leaving on one point or another.

No such thing! They did not even look at the boat which was all of one hundred meters walk from their office. Had me gobsmacked.

Then I realised why, or why I think they did not. I reckon that my declaration and their acceptance of the declaration without an inspection relieves them of any responsibility in the event that there was a cock up. Like running into a ship and sinking because the lights were not working and I had no flares.

Thats what I reckon!

Wrong regulator. If you had $10k in readies on board then you may have spruiked their interest.
You sinking or having to be rescued is not their department.

Reckon you hit the nail on the head there!

^^^Inbound to Aus is much more fun! BTW dont be tempted to land persons or hounds ashore prior to obtaining customs clearance!

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shoodbegood said...
Blue and Yellow Telstra rope

Everyone has some of that! When I was young, my dad was mates with a Telecom technician.

We were never short of that blue and yellow rope.

Definitely not. Had a pretty good lesson in the level of surveillance when a bloody great plane did a U turn over us 100 nautical miles north of Lord Howe. They got on the radio and identified us immediately.

Never seen anyone abseiling with a ratchet strap.

Blame importers for bring cheap, badly designed and made imported rope into the country. Buy your rope at a chandlery and you won't have a problem.

Not many chandleries 600k inland

Can i assume that well before the date that that these new rules come in that the relevant departments will inform all WA drivers licence holders of the details in writing. ? i can imagine when i get pulled up on the way to the tip each day with my load secured only by the shadecloth cover that i wont be compliant?
I often use my 2 tonne straps and rachets for my big solid loads , but those little things they sell in the auto shops and bunnings dont even start to be capable of the ratings they claim , the hooks dont have any system for stopping the hook from falling off, and many vehicles,like wellbody utes dont have tie down locations.
. Im facinated by the way that the articles seemed to feature loads that you wount even dream of tying down with a skanky rope. i suspect this is a rule that will effect those who were doing the right thing already and for the drongos it will be business as usual

I guess here is as good a place as any to share this link....

www.animatedknots.com/

It's a pretty cool website, though I prefer a different variation of the truckies hitch...

BTW, what's the load rating for Telstra rope, one board or two?

Well buying a length of certified rope will be more useful than tie down straps for me. Any idea what a 10 m length of rated rope is worth? Got a lot at the numptys requiring rated rope, what about the knot? What next only allowed to use approved knots for securing loads.

Well Rex, considering anyone good with rope understands there is a correct knot(s) for each application, I dont see a problem with an approved list, so long as it is properly compiled.

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Cal said...
Well Rex, considering anyone good with rope understands there is a correct knot(s) for each application, I dont see a problem with an approved list, so long as it is properly compiled.

I agree, however to require certified rope while ignoring the method of tie off makes little sense. If it comes undone they can do you for unsecured load, so they get you in the end.

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Cal said...
Well Rex, considering anyone good with rope understands there is a correct knot(s) for each application, I dont see a problem with an approved list, so long as it is properly compiled.

I agree, however to require certified rope while ignoring the method of tie off makes little sense. If it comes undone they can do you for unsecured load, so they get you in the end.

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pirrad said..
BTW, what's the load rating for Telstra rope, one board or two?

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Skid said..
I guess here is as good a place as any to share this link....

www.animatedknots.com/

It's a pretty cool website, though I prefer a different variation of the truckies hitch...

That's an awesome link, made my day. I Learnt a lot of knots when I did my masters V skippers and riggers tickets but haven't used em in a long time. I sometimes watch my PNG and Philippine lads tie a knot and shake my head. I might use some of these as a toolbox safety topic. Might save a few dropped objects on the guys below. I have had mixed results teaching them to splice a rope though.
W

^^^ Apps 'Useful knots' and Pro-Knots' for your phone (free) are pretty good. The 'Knots by Grog' is very good, but is a purchase app.

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Rex said..
Well buying a length of certified rope will be more useful than tie down straps for me. Any idea what a 10 m length of rated rope is worth? Got a lot at the numptys requiring rated rope, what about the knot? What next only allowed to use approved knots for securing loads.

Try these guys for rope/cord.

http://www.climbinganchors.com.au/categories/Climbing-Equipment/Slings%2C-Tape-and-Cord/

Though what a climber calls rope may be to big (in diameter) for many home trailer'ute type loads. Check out the 'cords'

For securing loads I prefer a rope (type/diameter) that allows me to get a bit of 'stretch' into it. A rope that is very 'stiff' does not always work well, especially when tied across a 'rigid' load.

Learn a few basic knots... Clove hitch, bowline, truckies hitch

It's a pity that our education system doesn't have a 'life skills' subject that includes a few knots...

Skids, its' called Scouts. Boys and girls learn all kinds of useful skills and it's mostly really fun.

Youre right Rex, although these things usually include words requiring items to be properly used, which would mean proper knots??

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Skid said..
I guess here is as good a place as any to share this link....

www.animatedknots.com/

It's a pretty cool website, though I prefer a different variation of the truckies hitch...

Yeah the truckies hitch that I use gives a 4:1 pull and can be used mid rope so that 1 long rope can tie the whole load