Is that u in the "catboy" shirt???

Mark _australia said..About the only one I like is the auto park - as its a PITA to sit behind somebody in my main street trying 15 times to back into a parallel park and just fk it up over and over.

Practice makes perfect....

Nephew just got his license - I asked him how he went with the parallel parking, hill start and 3 point turn?

He didn't know what I was talking about.

heck - when I did my para-park test, I failed first time as the front wheels were too far from the kerb [more than a ciggie packet] and the rear wheels were a bit too close to get the ciggie pack between the kerb and tyre. Examiner let me have another go [did better that time]
The examiner then put his ciggie packet behind a wheel before I did my hill start with the warning - don't crush my smokes!! [I didn't]
3 point turn across the downhill road - no probs

I'm gecko lol

lotofwind said..Hope their not rain clouds in the background

no probs - these things come with drainage holes both in the floor and body just above the side steps

nicephotog said..

FormulaNova said..

nicephotog said..

If it ever does get sold it will be to a collector by Auction !
Until then it's in use , as both owners were/are farmers.[/b]

Don't mislead your relative by making them think its worth more than it really is. People are silly, and someone will no doubt say 'yeah mate, that's worth 20k at least' and then another will tell you 30 or 40 or 50. All numbers pulled out of the air. No background knowledge, no comparisons, just that they saw 'something similar go for heaps at an auction'.

I know my way around cars, and I have a fondness for XM or XP falcon stationwagons as that's what my parents had when I was a kid. I found two on gumtree recently, for a low price, in an area close to me. Am I interested? No way. I have spent enough money on cars over the years to know that I don't want a project car that's going to take forever and still be an old car at the end of it.

I have been spoiled by having cars at least with airbags and abs and I am just not keen on having an old car without these as a minimum.

Don't let anyone devalue the extremely rare EITHER. The sequence of points about that one is extremely rare.

lotofwind said..
What was so good about them over todays full window ?? Was it because there was no AC in cars, wasn't invented back then ???

Apart being able to ash out of it casually if you are ever thrown out of some inbred country town, it is good air conditioning and other more easy security uses.

Sorry, but you are dreaming. Its a 2 speed asthmatic 6 cylinder that has panel damage. No AC, and old interior.
You might get something better from someone that loves that model, but not much. There is a bunch of work needed and its expensive.
If someone even offered $10k i would take it and be happy with that. Invariably if you relative doesnt sell it, it will become a worthless project car in bits, or they will sell it to someone at the last minute and get bugger all for it.

^^^^ spot on.

Doing a perfect panel job yourself can cost $2K plus if is 2K clear over base.
If that HK was what most people would call straight and had no rust it would cost $5K to make it look like the maroon one ..... and that is with not doing engine bay and door jambs etc.

BTW I'm chasing a reasonable 74-80 Holden panelvan in WA....

^^^ what a total lot of absolute rubbish.
I never said anything about muscle car - I told you what it would cost to paint that HK to a nice standard.

You said its got some sort of story or something that makes it worth more than most - well, what?

You also asked about what modern cars have front 1/4 glass- why? You haven't spoken of 1/4 windows since. I think you just wanted to post a pic and more pigeon-english, as most of your posts are.

And since when was an old Holden panel van a hoon wagon ???? (in 1980 maybe...) and the cops had them banned??!!! WTF?
Wow..... love to hear the proof for that one? FFS they were a tradesmans ride and surfers liked them, I'd be interested to hear the special types of crime they were involved in apart from stealing virginity at scenic spots?

nicephotog said..

Mark _australia said..
^^^^ spot on.

Doing a perfect panel job yourself can cost $2K plus if is 2K clear over base.
If that HK was what most people would call straight and had no rust it would cost $5K to make it look like the maroon one ..... and that is with not doing engine bay and door jambs etc.

BTW I'm chasing a reasonable 74-80 Holden panelvan in WA....

It's not the muscle car effect, it's simply the rarity of its' format and that it can be put back to stock reasonably. Much more a collectors item.
Muscle car crap that they do on the 8cyl H series all day may cost 30K but rare is different !
It (as you were saying FormulaNova https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/huge-hoard-of-muscle-cars-uncovered-in-iowa-and-heading-for-auction/ar-AAGmT2F?li=AAgfYrC ) is not a muscle car.

As for hoon wagons you want in WA, those are rare to find too, many years back i heard the police wanted rid of the design because it caused too many deaths and too many types of crime its design is used for, those were the problem.

Rarity of its format? What does that mean? It really doesn't have much going for it. An underpowered 2.6 litre engine coupled with a 2 speed gearbox. Some things weren't collectible, because they just weren't that good.

V8s sound nice. Even when they are slugs, they still sound nice. Its enough to make an old car interesting, but a 6 cyl is a different proposition.

If you are talking rare, what about a Mark2 1300 Escort. They were relatively rare because they were slow and boring, so its very unlikely anyone kept one. It still doesn't make them worth anything.

Its all unimportant anyway. Your relative is going to do whatever they want with the car. It won't make any more money if they restore it, it won't be anywhere near as comfortable as a modern car to drive, so the only value is sentimental or whatever they can get selling it. I very much doubt there is any market for a ute like that, unless they buy it to throw a modern fuel injected v8 into it. Even then, for the cost of fixing it up, you would choose the $36k car first.

I would think its unfair if you made your relative think its worth a lot of money though, as its all uninformed opinion, even from us, unless you try and sell it.

Value in cars seems to be from the competition of people wanting that car for some particular reason. Not just because its rare. Phase III cars went up because people thought they were collectible. How many buyers are you going to find for a worn out slow 6 cylinder ute? You need at least two that really want it in order to push up the price, and you will be flat out finding one.

FormulaNova said..

lotofwind said..
So you want one in hope someone will finally steal your virginity lol
And they were definitely known as a bit of a bogan hoon car owned by people usually up to no good......well, that's on the east coast anyways......maybe that was just normal in WA back in those times ?? lol

Nobody has cared about panel vans since they were big in the 70s and 80s.

News to me so I thought I'd see what they're going for now days, someone must care going by these prices www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/search/type-cars/subtype-unique+cars/make-holden/year-1970-2019/bodytype-panel+van

firiebob said..

FormulaNova said..

lotofwind said..
So you want one in hope someone will finally steal your virginity lol
And they were definitely known as a bit of a bogan hoon car owned by people usually up to no good......well, that's on the east coast anyways......maybe that was just normal in WA back in those times ?? lol

Nobody has cared about panel vans since they were big in the 70s and 80s.

News to me so I thought I'd see what they're going for now days, someone must care going by these prices www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/search/type-cars/subtype-unique+cars/make-holden/year-1970-2019/bodytype-panel+van

I meant no one cares about the dodgy perception of panelvans anymore.

I am sure the prices are going up, at a point when people begin appreciating them again.

Mark _australia said..
WTF?.......Wow.......crime........ stealing virginity at scenic spots?

does Kings Park count as a scenic spot??

Marsy young fella.... regarding Kings Park.....I plead the 5th

Dunno about the phase 4 falcons - there were only 2 or 3 made, but I was there when Mr. Plod dropped the gearbox internals of a "plain clothes" turbo sigma right next to the entry of the No.3 carpark at Wellington street on a Saturday evening - in front of several hundred spectators.
No.3 carpark was directly opposite the old Entertainment center carpark, [now RAC Perth Arena] and was the main gathering point for all those chucking bog laps around Perth.
My crowd were mostly car club members - Capri, small vans [escort and gemini] regular Holden, Ford and Chrysler panel vans etc.
However - several of our crew and friends had learnt that anything that looked flash could expect to be knobbled by the police wielding books of yellow stickers, so there were quite a few "Q ships" cruisingaround as well. [named after WW2 merchant marine ships that were heavily armed with hidden and disguised weaponry]

A couple of these "Q ships"
- A plain grey non-descript Datsun 1000 2 door sedan - running a turbo'ed 2litre OHC engine, canted over so it would fit in the engine bay, with uprated gearbox & locked diff, standard [looking] rims and tyres, the only non standard looking external bits were the Toyota hubcaps! I saw this thing pull wheel stands passing under the freeway bridge at Wellington street!
- A VW station wagon - with the transaxle turned around and a p76 v8 poking you in the back, hidden by dummy upholstery and removals cartons, this one was bloody scary - and if it backfired through the carbies you had to hope the windows were down
- Another VW wagon - transaxle and V8 from some front wheel drive American landbarge, went like the clappers, but didn't like corners - and the brakes made a series 1 landy look impressive.
- A 4 cylinder Capri - bored out to 1760cc, twin 40mm dellorto's, modified uprated 1 tonner clutch, standard gearbox [regarded as disposable] locked diff and nitrous, could smoke the tyres at 110klicks. used to go through a head gasket around every second tank of nitrous but they were cheap and easy to replace
- A bog standard Mazda 808 [well - it looked bog standard] - which had a full house RX3 rally drivetrain and suspension, the exhaust ran a bypass system so it looked and sounded like nanna's shopping trolley until you opened the exhaust and sunk the boot in.
- A Chevy Luv ute [badge engineered Isuzu light ute] with worked up 350 chev, auto, cut down 9" diff and concealed exhaust.
- An early 1970's Toyota corolla station wagon - with a complete Ford Capri V6 drivetrain dropped into it.

My V6 Capri didn't quite cut it as a Q ship - too obvious, [carby and aircleaner poking through the bonnet], but I had built it more for going around corners with practically all the suspension custom built, as was some of the fuel system [and fuel], front brakes were at one time water cooled, gearboxes tended to be horribly disposable, exhaust was interesting - once the exhaust was nice and warm, the baffles would fold out of the way once you hit 4000ish rpm to leave you with a straight through system.


Not me - but one of our crew got pinged by the walloppers - he was in the back of his mates panelvan [top half of the rear door was up].
Rabbit was living up to his nick name when a police car got stuck behind their panelvan as it was slowly making it's way down Murray street, police had a clear view of Rabbits nether region bumping up and down.....so the party lights came on

sn said..
Marsy young fella.... regarding Kings Park.....I plead the 5th

Dunno about the phase 4 falcons - there were only 2 or 3 made, but I was there when Mr. Plod dropped the gearbox internals of a "plain clothes" turbo sigma right next to the entry of the No.3 carpark at Wellington street on a Saturday evening - in front of several hundred spectators.
No.3 carpark was directly opposite the old Entertainment center carpark, [now RAC Perth Arena] and was the main gathering point for all those chucking bog laps around Perth.
My crowd were mostly car club members - Capri, small vans [escort and gemini] regular Holden, Ford and Chrysler panel vans etc.
However - several of our crew and friends had learnt that anything that looked flash could expect to be knobbled by the police wielding books of yellow stickers, so there were quite a few "Q ships" cruisingaround as well. [named after WW2 merchant marine ships that were heavily armed with hidden and disguised weaponry]

A couple of these "Q ships"
- A plain grey non-descript Datsun 1000 2 door sedan - running a turbo'ed 2litre OHC engine, canted over so it would fit in the engine bay, with uprated gearbox & locked diff, standard [looking] rims and tyres, the only non standard looking external bits were the Toyota hubcaps! I saw this thing pull wheel stands passing under the freeway bridge at Wellington street!
- A VW station wagon - with the transaxle turned around and a p76 v8 poking you in the back, hidden by dummy upholstery and removals cartons, this one was bloody scary - and if it backfired through the carbies you had to hope the windows were down
- Another VW wagon - transaxle and V8 from some front wheel drive American landbarge, went like the clappers, but didn't like corners - and the brakes made a series 1 landy look impressive.
- A 4 cylinder Capri - bored out to 1760cc, twin 40mm dellorto's, modified uprated 1 tonner clutch, standard gearbox [regarded as disposable] locked diff and nitrous, could smoke the tyres at 110klicks. used to go through a head gasket around every second tank of nitrous but they were cheap and easy to replace
- A bog standard Mazda 808 [well - it looked bog standard] - which had a full house RX3 rally drivetrain and suspension, the exhaust ran a bypass system so it looked and sounded like nanna's shopping trolley until you opened the exhaust and sunk the boot in.
- A Chevy Luv ute [badge engineered Isuzu light ute] with worked up 350 chev, auto, cut down 9" diff and concealed exhaust.
- An early 1970's Toyota corolla station wagon - with a complete Ford Capri V6 drivetrain dropped into it.

My V6 Capri didn't quite cut it as a Q ship - too obvious, [carby and aircleaner poking through the bonnet], but I had built it more for going around corners with practically all the suspension custom built, as was some of the fuel system [and fuel], front brakes were at one time water cooled, gearboxes tended to be horribly disposable, exhaust was interesting - once the exhaust was nice and warm, the baffles would fold out of the way once you hit 4000ish rpm to leave you with a straight through system.


Not me - but one of our crew got pinged by the walloppers - he was in the back of his mates panelvan [top half of the rear door was up].
Rabbit was living up to his nick name when a police car got stuck behind their panelvan as it was slowly making it's way down Murray street, police had a clear view of Rabbits nether region bumping up and down.....so the party lights came on

Nice little write up SN
I had a purple imp gt that no one took seriously but it was a rocket, 12.5/1 compression and sorted suspension, from point A to B it was hard to catch. But after blowing a couple of transaxles and making a horrible mess on the road each time, I traded it for a new corolla But then that might have saved my life after a bad head on with a drunk
In the day I was called rabbit, but I never had a bang in the back of my mates PV PV back windows were always up, I can't remember the law then but it was common to ride in the back on the mattress, never got done for it.

Mark _australia said..
^^^ what a total lot of absolute rubbish.
I never said anything about muscle car - I told you what it would cost to paint that HK to a nice standard.

You said its got some sort of story or something that makes it worth more than most - well, what?

You also asked about what modern cars have front 1/4 glass- why? You haven't spoken of 1/4 windows since. I think you just wanted to post a pic and more pigeon-english, as most of your posts are.

And since when was an old Holden panel van a hoon wagon ???? (in 1980 maybe...) and the cops had them banned??!!! WTF?
Wow..... love to hear the proof for that one? FFS they were a tradesmans ride and surfers liked them, I'd be interested to hear the special types of crime they were involved in apart from stealing virginity at scenic spots?

..."asked about what modern cars have front 1/4 glass- why? You haven't spoken of 1/4 windows since"....
Someone said Toyota HiLux 96 , i took a look at some pics good point it has.

Does have a bit of a story, it;s better than FormulaNova goes on at it. Your forgetting classic cars and the rarity of format, It is actually a bit "one of" in Australia , not many were sold in that model and year, the first year HK came out 67. More than that it spent its lifetime as a farm ute in some way or another, can sling 1 ton over the rear axles.

..."And since when was an old Holden panel van a hoon wagon ???? (in 1980 maybe...) "...
Go watch the original movie Puberty Blues.

nicephotog said..
..."asked about what modern cars have front 1/4 glass- why? You haven't spoken of 1/4 windows since"....
Someone said Toyota HiLux 96 , i took a look at some pics good point it has.

Does have a bit of a story, it;s better than FormulaNova goes on at it. Your forgetting classic cars and the rarity of format, It is actually a bit "one of" in Australia , not many were sold in that model and year, the first year HK came out 67. More than that it spent its lifetime as a farm ute in some way or another, can sling 1 ton over the rear axles.

..."And since when was an old Holden panel van a hoon wagon ???? (in 1980 maybe...) "...
Go watch the original movie Puberty Blues.

It does not have a bit of a story. Yes there was not a lot of HK utes, but there was not a lot of falcon utes in the 1980s and 1990s- compared to wagons and sedans - but that does not in itself make them valuable.
Its not rare or limited like a nice genuine HK Monaro would be.
Its just a ute. No more valuable than any model Holden ute of 60's to 70's

Like my example. Holden panelvan in really beautiful condition - $20K. Holden Sandman (genuine) in beautiful condition - $60K to $100K. Theres a difference. Its just a HK not a special HK. Even restored its not a special HK like the Monaro (or Sandman, or GTHO, or the Hemis or the genuine bathurst stuff from ether manufacturer etc etc). Its a normal ute.

If it spent its time as farm ute that is not a story, its a downside. Its means its been used hard.

Puberty Blues kinda proves my point that panelvans were a sinbin LONG AGO. Your using a 1979 book, made into a movie in 1981, to prove that panelvans as a hoon car / sin bin is NOT old news? Hmmm