It will be filtering thousands of job applications for companies that put up job ads. With a need to apply for 40 jobs a week, someone is going to need to do this job.
I could also outsource the job application process for the unlucky candidates. I could send off 4000 applications for each job and just change each name for each application.
Anyone think 40 job applications (and community service) each month is possible?
Proper job application takes a couple of days to put together, so if you're going to do it properly, nope.
It will be filtering thousands of job applications for companies that put up job ads. With a need to apply for 40 jobs a week, someone is going to need to do this job.
I could also outsource the job application process for the unlucky candidates. I could send off 4000 applications for each job and just change each name for each application.
Anyone think 40 job applications (and community service) each month is possible?
Apparently not - It's easy, just ask Eric Abetz. You apply for one in the morning and the other one in the afternoon - that's 40 a month, job done.
I just feel sorry for both parties; the poor buggers submitting all these applications for jobs they won't get and the poor buggers reading all these applications from people who are not even remotely suited and won't be even be considered for an interview.
Surely there's a better way
It will be filtering thousands of job applications for companies that put up job ads. With a need to apply for 40 jobs a week, someone is going to need to do this job.
I could also outsource the job application process for the unlucky candidates. I could send off 4000 applications for each job and just change each name for each application.
Anyone think 40 job applications (and community service) each month is possible?
If your a retard, then yes go right ahead and start this up.
Because if your are even thinking about it, you are no rocket scientist and are living payday to payday..
FYI The idea of this scheme is to weed out numpty nuts who are rorting the welfare system and who do not want to work.
The best way to do this is to hit them dole bludgers in their back pocket and suspend that free dosh the government hands out.
If job seekers are serious about working, they will find a job, make some cash, leave, upskill and then another different job that is better than the last job. Eventually they will find the job that suits them and their skills (or lack of)
It's all about choices, either you choose wisely, or things are chosen for you in life.
Just like being a windsurfer.. It's uncool, but you have to deal with it if you enjoy it.
lazy buggers who just lie around on the beach when they could be sailing back and forth.
40 jobs!
Sounds like some biblical task, gee Doc I'm under so much pressure from looking for work these days.
Just Shot Them and put I'm out of their Misery.
Luke Hartsuyker's family owns a business in Coffs Harbour, or at least they used to. It would be funny if all the unemployed people in Coffs, of which there are many, all descended upon that business one day a week to ask for work.
I really don't know how one can seriously apply for 40 jobs a month. It could take many days to apply for one job, do serious research to look for a job that suits you and then craft an application to maximise your chances and then organise referees to support your application. So this like so many other government policies will end up with people doing useless work that achieves nothing or worse than nothing. People will end up feeling worse after so many rejections or they just won't care anymore. The other issue is there are not that many jobs out there.
If they really want to stop people going from school to go onto the dole, which they say is the purpose of this policy, the answer is fairly simple. Make Newstart Allowance, ie unemployment benefits, only available to those who are unemployed. You can't be unemployed if you have never been employed. If you leave school and have no job or whatever, you don't get any money off the government unless you are in some sort of training course and make a reasonable effort. If you don't, forget about the government supporting you.
A way to reduce the burden of welfare payments would be to reduce income tax and for some of the money saved to be put into some form of insurance, similar to superannuation. This money would be available to you if you became unemployed or left work to go to study again after working for a few years. If you keep working you get the money saved when you retire. Reduced taxation would also stimulate the economy, creating more jobs. Right now for me I have much more money taken from me in tax than what I have in disposable income, money to buy a coffee, some clothes, shoes, lunch or whatever. So all this money goes to things like new jet fighters and locking up asylum seekers in Papua New Guinea, real job makers there.......
Every time you send in a job application cc the relevant minister so as they have proof of the application going in
Proper job application takes a couple of days to put together, so if you're going to do it properly, nope.
Sorry, I was being a bit sarcastic/tongue in cheek. I agree. You need to target each application to that specific job, even if it sometimes means removing experience that might otherwise ruin your chances of getting a job.
I remember back to a few years post HSC, where two of my friends were unemployed and on the dole. They would routinely look in the paper, and provide the job ad details on their forms in order to get the dole. They would never actually apply for the jobs, as realistically they had next to no chance of getting them. Both of them were good, intelligent guys, and given the right environment work hard.
If this scheme is the best they can do, its not going to really help out those that can't find a job. Its just going to make their days a bit pointless.
I would prefer it if there was a scheme where you could get paid the same to go to TAFE and train to become a plumber or carpenter, or something similar, without needing an apprenticeship first. I am out of touch with this. Can you do that sort of thing these days? It would be good if you could let the people that are motivated to just get on with instead of making them apply for 40 jobs a month.
I suspect the job applications will be form like, and no one will police it anyway.
In all seriousness, companies hate receiving job applications for which the candidates are not qualified, so this will just generate a huge stream of them that they don't yet see. Even now, companies do outsource this role to recruitment agents, and they will probably just do this more to avoid filtering 4000 job applications.
Luke Hartsuyker's family owns a business in Coffs Harbour, or at least they used to. It would be funny if all the unemployed people in Coffs, of which there are many, all descended upon that business one day a week to ask for work.
I really don't know how one can seriously apply for 40 jobs a month. It could take many days to apply for one job, do serious research to look for a job that suits you and then craft an application to maximise your chances and then organise referees to support your application. So this like so many other government policies will end up with people doing useless work that achieves nothing or worse than nothing. People will end up feeling worse after so many rejections or they just won't care anymore. The other issue is there are not that many jobs out there.
Yeah, its going to be a funny old scheme. If there are enough jobs for everyone I will be surprised. I think this will just result in a couple of thousand people applying for every job that comes up in the paper. Even if they are not remotely suitable, they will still need to apply to make up the numbers.
I also agree with the affect it will have on the mindset of the job seekers. 40 responsed to job ads a month means almost no one will bother replying to them to say they aren't qualified enough. Trust me. This is exactly what happens now. So after 40 non-responses a month, month after month is going to be really enthusiasm killing for anyone.
Also, with so many applications coming in, I wonder what the actual chances are of someone wanting to do that job actually getting found in that huge pile of CVs.
I reminds me of a farmer on a tv program recently complaining that he couldn't get locals to pick fruit on his farm, and instead hired tourists on working holidays. He then complained that even if he did hire locals he said it was too much trouble filling in their separation certificates when the jobs finished. Why did he only get tourists? Its a hard job, that no one wants to do, and tourists can do it for a while to help their holiday out. Yet he was making out that the tourists had a better work ethic... and he himself was saying the separation paperwork for locals was too hard for him. I guess his work ethic wasn't so good either then.
It will be filtering thousands of job applications for companies that put up job ads. With a need to apply for 40 jobs a week, someone is going to need to do this job.
I could also outsource the job application process for the unlucky candidates. I could send off 4000 applications for each job and just change each name for each application.
Anyone think 40 job applications (and community service) each month is possible?
If your a retard, then yes go right ahead and start this up.
Because if your are even thinking about it, you are no rocket scientist and are living payday to payday..
FYI The idea of this scheme is to weed out numpty nuts who are rorting the welfare system and who do not want to work.
The best way to do this is to hit them dole bludgers in their back pocket and suspend that free dosh the government hands out.
If job seekers are serious about working, they will find a job, make some cash, leave, upskill and then another different job that is better than the last job. Eventually they will find the job that suits them and their skills (or lack of)
It's all about choices, either you choose wisely, or things are chosen for you in life.
Just like being a windsurfer.. It's uncool, but you have to deal with it if you enjoy it.
Hey, I might be a retard, but at least I can use you're correctly ![]()
This scheme just seems like a knee jerk reaction to someone thinking unemployed people are lazy. I am sure some are, but there will be others that will just lose hope if a better scheme can't be thought of.
Rocket scientist? Not anymore. Everything's fine until it all just blows up in your face.
If your a retard, then yes go right ahead and start this up.
* If you're a retard, ^^^
lol.
I reckon they ( the gubment) should bring back Nasho ...
Or something similar ... or maybe a little different.
No killing or maiming ok.
I'm sure you can dig that NoBS, being ex-army and all.
The USA had a programme called the Peace Corp once.
Aussie could have a Dole Corp, it might work.
You know,,, the crew really need some structure, some disciple, some direction.
But if the programme isn't cool, they just won't get out of bed to be bothered by it.
Apply for 40 jobs and all you will get back is 80 emails from skill training companies,some ads are simply put up by them,53 years young, 32 for the same company, july 4 made redundant,can't get dole,new rule of leave school or lose job having to wait 6 months for dole is ****,pitty the young ones.
pic on the ones that openly dodge work. Govs got it so wrong
Eric Abetz is a bloody numsky. So are I think,the drongos who had a brain fart coming up with this proposal.
Old saying, when in a hole stop digging.
And I thought the last lot in power could'nt get the ideas over the table to the people.
This mob.....numskys. ![]()
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This thread brings back memories. When I completing my studies at Curtin, I applied to many Analyst roles at Investment Banks/ Oil & Gas companies, each application took anywhere between 4 and 10 hours in total.
This was inclusive of the following-
Detailed cover letter.(All applications)
Application questions. (All applications)
Online mathematic, English and pattern assessments. (10%)
Preparing for interviews (5%)
I just looked at my hard drive, and what do you know, my draft applications are still there, all 73 of them.
But you know what the bad thing is right! I finally landed my Corporate Finance job after all these applications, only to lose my position 6 months later.
I ended up in Audit, it’s a difficult gig. At the moment we are working from 7am till 12pm each night and most weekends.
I honestly don’t know how the Bankers do it all year. I haven’t kited for a month.
I don’t personally think that just getting people to apply for jobs is the answer;
I’d like to see the unemployed get some form of subsidised training with paid benefits.
If you’re unwilling to work for the Dole or complete some full time training, and make something of yourself, then the Government should not take from my pocket to support you.
How about ?
An approved agency to help the unemployed look for work!
Have all those who are unfortunate enough to be out of work join these agency's.
wait a minute, I could be wrong but don't we have that already?
One of the biggest agencies was run by Mrs Rudd, I wonder if she can find something for her
numbskull husband to do. True jobseekers won't need to be forced to apply for jobs.
It's a ridiculous idea but I'm all for it. Anything to make the dole less appealing than actually working is a good thing, it might help discourage the many thousands out there from bludging. It might affect those genuine job seekers but aren't they already looking anyway...?
Typical of this governments policies:
*Sounds good till you really think about it
* Appeals to Alan Jones fans & Tea Party politics
* Experts say it's rubbish# but who cares what they think?
#see below
www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/work-for-dole-schemes-no-help-in-finding-jobs-says-expert-20140728-3cpxd.html
theconversation.com/ten-job-seekers-per-vacancy-a-reality-check-on-welfare-overhaul-29743?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+29+July+2014+-+1814&utm_content=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+29+July+2014+-+1814+CID_b99048f2adc6a0448f3d65ed27f423e0&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=Ten%20job%20seekers%20per%20vacancy%20a%20reality%20check%20on%20welfare%20overhaul
www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/lousy-days-loom-for-small-businesses-bombarded-by-jobseekers-20140728-3cpxb.html?rand=1406580713584
www.smh.com.au/act-news/work-for-the-dole-doesnt-work-welfare-groups-20140729-zxnpb.html
www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2447702/work-for-the-dole-scheme-punishing/?cs=300
www.probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2014/07/community-sector-slams-%E2%80%98demoralising%E2%80%99-employment-plan
40 posts on seabreeze per month doesn't seem too tricky for most people
If only applying for jobs were so easy.
If your a retard, then yes go right ahead and start this up.
* If you're a retard, ^^^
lol.
I reckon they ( the gubment) should bring back Nasho ...
Or something similar ... or maybe a little different.
No killing or maiming ok.
I'm sure you can dig that NoBS, being ex-army and all.
The USA had a programme called the Peace Corp once.
Aussie could have a Dole Corp, it might work.
You know,,, the crew really need some structure, some disciple, some direction.
But if the programme isn't cool, they just won't get out of bed to be bothered by it.
Oh Dear Slave: ""You know,,, the crew really need some structure, some diciple, some direction""
LOL indeed. Maybe you were talking about discipline maybe?
Yes you are one of those retards.
DICIPLE: a follower or pupil of a teacher, leader, or philosopher.
"Nobs' a disciple of Waveslave"
Synonyms: follower, adherent, believer, admirer, devotee, acolyte, votary.
DICIPLE: a follower or pupil of a teacher, leader, or philosopher.
"Nobs' a disciple of Waveslave"
Synonyms: follower, adherent, believer, admirer, devotee, acolyte, votary.
Synonym: [sin-uh-nim]: Noun: A word used in place of one you can't spell... ![]()
(not directed at anyones spelling, just taking the chance to share a funny) ![]()
And the over fifties can join the army reserve, what a joke, can you imagine a seventy year old doing military training.
Its the usual blame someone else the politiician are doing such a terrible job managing the economy, each month there is a shortfall of about a million jobs but that's not the jobseekers fault.
The dole is a right!
well I'm not sure how accurate this is but long ago a wise man said to me around the campfire that Golf Whitlem guaranteed a minimum Wage
for everyone.
now you can whinge that some don't measure up to your standards, but then if everyone was hardworking, intelligent and amazing!...
well you'd look Pretty ordinary then.
i don't think anyone here is stupid enough to believe that there are enough jobs to go around on any day to meet the demands of the unemployed.
so why is the Gov drawing attention to this issue?
And the over fifties can join the army reserve, what a joke, can you imagine a seventy year old doing military training.
I cant imagine most 20 years olds as being capable...............
Let alone this 50 year old ![]()
My brain is willing to give it a shot, but I know the rest of me wouldn't last too long doing the hard yards.
stephen
I reckon they ( the gubment) should bring back Nasho ...
Or something similar ... or maybe a little different.
No killing or maiming ok.
That is exactly what the military DON'T want. Reserves are looking for people with skills to bring, not looking to be a quasi technical college. We have one of those.. Abbott did his best to f#%k it up
If you look at countries with National service, the military all want it gone. All the cost and trouble, none of the benefits
You know,,, the crew really need some structure, some disciple, some direction.
No, what they need is skills and experience.
Maybe we should encourage Further technical learning.... Except Abbott cut funding, Deregulated the pricing (which all experts agree will lead to an Increase in cost) and is dismantling HECS (So people without the money now cannot pay out of future earnings)
Maybe we should encourage Entry level work, where companies take on unskilled workers and upskill them through workplace training... Like Holden, Ford, Toyota, BAE/Ratheon ship/sub building facilities, SPC, government internships....
The problem isnt the physical capability to apply for 40 jobs a month. I timed myself, I can apply for 22 an hour........ So do you think I will hear back about the 2015 medical internship intake? What about my application for Head of economics at Adelaide university?
The problem isnt people not applying for the jobs. There are just not the jobs there. We can NEVER have 100% employment. Welcome to the capitalist system
Im gonna start a small business that submits all the job applications for the dole bludgers.![]()
They give me their CV and bank details and I make up some application templates for job applications, change the details and bobs your uncle if i can sort out some sort of automated sending system linked to the vacancy's at the CES or the other employment agencies
In return I take 10-20% of their dole money.
I can then pick out someone from the applications to run the business sell it for a **** load and go surfing.
Hang on Ive had a epiphany. I will put false adds in the paper for job vacancy's and then send their applications to myself and claim the cash.![]()
Im gonna be rich.
W
Working or "job training" for the dole is a ruse for the Corporate Establishment to get slave labor----disgusting abuse of labor.