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30 Apr 2026 11:56am
TWCustom said..
A new board from us costs about 3200 USD. My idea is that a rich guy can purchase a new one when he wants by returning the old one and pay half price for the new board. Then we fix the old board and sell it for half price.

We can do this since carbon repairable an infinite number of times and the breathable foam always stays light. 2-300g extra for an 85L board when it is repaired the first time. Subsequent repairs/accidents ads no more weight in the foam. So the board lives forever. This is not some plan, we are doing it now.

For everyone else with traditional foam boards I suggest you drill holes. It is real easy and all boards both production and custom boards are over-engineered. Remember the holes are there also to make it possible at all to dry up the traditional foam. If you can save 200g, you want it. Strip paint and sand to carbon. Use epoxy+carbon powder instead. That is 150g. Replace all pads. That saves 100g. Use FCS II Skindog 18cm (7 inch) aircore fins always. They are US and superlight. If you can, replace thrusters with FCS/Future boxes. The white ones they are 20g and use aircore fins her too. Never use 4 fins. The FCS/Future box (yes two-brands-in-one) are strengthened with to 10mm divinicell plates, maybe 8cm across. These get very strong when glued in with microspheres reaching the top deck.

About the hip-harness. It costs nothing and the patent is there just to stop industry stealing it. So images of converted old harnesses on our old website does make me loose any sleep. All you need is a little rope and the longest harness lines you can find. Your old board and rig really improves. And remember, seat harnesses are really bad. The hook is actually still to high. It should point exactly to Trochanter Major. Google it and good luck.

We make light boards and go out with info so as to kill windfoiling and kiting. We really don't like them on our waves.

enjoy
// Thomas - from the other side


You say brethable foam because you use ultralight really open between cells eps ?
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30 Apr 2026 11:54am
Gestalt said..

Grantmac said..


Roo said..



Mark _australia said..
Cost. Foam makes new models easy to produce .. but slight tweaks for costly mould changes made it hard to have a range of hollow boards.

then labour cost maybe for more complex layup, trimming halves and then bonding halves properly.
I think foam sandwich is the best blend of cost vs durability vs ability to change shape if needed and that's why it's prevailed.
I've seen some great DIY hollow boards but I think the current mass production of them is a response to the trendiness of wing / DW and wanting to have something new that the other companies don't have. I hope it doesn't translate to $5000 windsurf boards soon.





Yes it was all about price. They were going to retail for USD$4000 back in 1991 (about $10000 today), the Japanese were snapping them up. They were too expensive to make. The best shaper and best windsurfer in the world were involved.

If I was too make a hollow board today it would be 3D printed and easily modified. I have plans for a basic monocoque that a number of different shapes can be fitted to. You could easily have 3 different slalom/speed boards using one monocoque.




I think some form of 3D printing/additive manufacturing is where this is going. Between foaming filaments, continuous fiber printers and the ability to put strength exactly where it's needed.
Maybe not this year, but likely within the decade.

Other food for thought:
The shape shifting molds used to make the newer laminate sails could possibly be a basis for making custom molded laminates for hollow boards.



Agree, 3d printing is the future. I've just ordered some Lisa harness lines, they are using 3d printing for many components..


Not future for all, in facts i see mechanical parts makers, that moved to 3D printing process" for everything", come back to cnc router for many builds because of strain failure. Layering additive process suffer from lake of homogeneity.
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29 Apr 2026 7:18pm
Mark _australia said..
Cost. Foam makes new models easy to produce .. but slight tweaks for costly mould changes made it hard to have a range of hollow boards.

then labour cost maybe for more complex layup, trimming halves and then bonding halves properly.
I think foam sandwich is the best blend of cost vs durability vs ability to change shape if needed and that's why it's prevailed.
I've seen some great DIY hollow boards but I think the current mass production of them is a response to the trendiness of wing / DW and wanting to have something new that the other companies don't have. I hope it doesn't translate to $5000 windsurf boards soon.

That's here, hollow windfoil board 5599 eur = 9157 aud





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29 Apr 2026 12:27pm
Now Cobra offer hollow build tech so all "big" brands add hollow board in their range and claim r?volution.
Lol, most D2 were build hollow like boat, DIY wood hollow board is as old as surfing, salomon surfboards were hollow, etc... I have a 2000 wind magazine that expose airinside hollow boards






Why we use foam core: easier and faster to build with good strengh/weight ratio. Even if eps take water board float when open skin dinged. Can be a real nightmare with hollow boards.
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28 Apr 2026 12:13pm
Brent in Qld said..


Chris 249 said..



mathew said..
But big boats aren't weight-constrained so they can use suitable construction techniques.

Windsurf gear is extremely weight-constrained, which limits what we can do to have effective bonding.






Umm, sorry, what? Some big racing boats are arguably more weight-restrained than windsurfers. Supermaxis, for example, have no weight controls and huge budgets so the lighter the construction, the better. Many other classes of big boats arguably have more weight constraints and high tech than boards.

Even where the actual weight is restricted by weight limits, the big boat guys can still spend huge sums in reducing hull weight. More than 30 years ago I was standing on a set of carbon fibre Nomex core pre-preg floorboards that sat over the top of a ton or so of internal ballast, When you put that sort of tech into something sitting 10cm above lead, you're clearly optimising weight distribution.

Would any serious big racing boat be built of thick soft foam and the layups we use in boards? They've been into pre-preg Nomex for decades now.




As an ex-AC builder and having built plenty of other racing/aerospace parts, I can confirm the level of paranoia around weight saving is very real and borderline absurd at times. But you can't deny the results when you get it right, weight savings = top line performance.

Durability and cost of course are very different conversations. Then there's the human factors involved in getting the most out of nice lightweight kit without destroying it with brute force and ignorance.



Exactly, i worked for high tech composits (racing boat, car, plane) guys are able to spend so much money for so little weight reduction... We near only used carbon prepeg and nomex with autoclave.
Each parts cost so much.
Airinside boards are build like that. Even Patrick team don't seem to use them so much for racing. I repair a light slalom board, no name, guys say me that it was a proto for a pro rider from an italian builder. Bottom, rails and nose deck was carbon monolithic build over light foam !
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26 Apr 2026 12:27pm
Gestalt said..
I like the furniture insert idea and the track concept.. fwiw I use silicon to fill boxes and plugs to prevent resin getting in.. front straps specifically on a track is really interesting.. as with all this stuff every decision comes with weight penalties.

stainless is not the best for marine environments. best is titanium, by a long shot. then brass.. i get stainless is stronger than brass but it's also heavier and it rusts.. if you do a deep dive into stainless in marine environments you will see it has a very hectic cleaning schedule or it rusts, tea stains etc. titanium unfortunately is very expensive..

I'm going to try brass inserts direct into hd blocks on my next build.. super light and cheap
psmfasteners.com/product/inserts-for-plastics-m6-x-16-sonic-lok-brass-0-size-16mm-psm8600060x16-slbm6-os-16mm/
www.wkooa.com/product/brass-insert-nuts-for-plastic-blind-knurled/?srsltid=AfmBOordZFQjHGXd-fR_vpBuAIr9v0c5DaSJSQhL-tzPlZS8eZG7AHlW


Brass work well it's easy to find and to work with hand tools. For no rust problems stainless steel must be 316L grade, A4 for screws and must be work with dedicated tools. I see corrosion problems came from use of same tools for working stainless steel and standard steel. Using protective grease for screws is a good habit, even simple vaseline work for that.
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25 Apr 2026 12:13pm
Grantmac said..
I'm not saying it would be the lightest but I've often thought about using something like a US box track for footstraps. Very fine adjustment and you can replace the threaded component easily.


I see a DIY wingfoil board with something like that, small US box like plugs so the guy can adjust straps, a problem for wingfoiler when they start using strap for jump after long time strapless. If i remenber well he build is plug with 3D printer.
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24 Apr 2026 6:28pm
Gestalt said..


lemat said..



Gestalt said..




AI.Dave said..
corrosion and stuck/broken screws with the finer threads and metal to metal contact?










It depends on the type of stainless steel screw being used with the brass. both brass (sanded) and titanium (Flikka) are excellent in saltwater environments. I specify lights for coastal architecture and use a local company that specialises in brass fittings which offer good warranty.everything else just falls off the buildings.

titanium is even better..

the issue is galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel and brass insert.. marine grade 316 is ok but the brass will corrode over time. I think Flikka uses all titanium so that's not going to experience galvanic corrosion. You don't want to use titanium with brass. Flikka also use titanium because it's light.

got me thinking whether brass screws for the brass inserts would be strong enough.

Edit..looks like m6 brass screws are available with hex head. Maybe with deox r81 anti seize.





I done some insert with A4 (marine grade) stainless claw nuts set in forex plate and laminate both side. With A4 screws no problems. Brass insert should work too, it work with fins. With a little neutral grease on screw before set even better. Galvanic corrosion is a far bigger problem with aluminium.




I wouldn't mid trying something like this or the big head fittings but the cost is steep compared to the sanded inserts. FWIW the sanded type inserts are also available eBay for about $3 per plug.



For me those plugs looks good. At least better than chinook plastic one's.
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24 Apr 2026 12:09pm
Gestalt said..

AI.Dave said..
corrosion and stuck/broken screws with the finer threads and metal to metal contact?







It depends on the type of stainless steel screw being used with the brass. both brass (sanded) and titanium (Flikka) are excellent in saltwater environments. I specify lights for coastal architecture and use a local company that specialises in brass fittings which offer good warranty.everything else just falls off the buildings.

titanium is even better..

the issue is galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel and brass insert.. marine grade 316 is ok but the brass will corrode over time. I think Flikka uses all titanium so that's not going to experience galvanic corrosion. You don't want to use titanium with brass. Flikka also use titanium because it's light.

got me thinking whether brass screws for the brass inserts would be strong enough.

Edit..looks like m6 brass screws are available with hex head. Maybe with deox r81 anti seize.


I done some insert with A4 (marine grade) stainless claw nuts set in forex plate and laminate both side. With A4 screws no problems. Brass insert should work too, it work with fins. With a little neutral grease on screw before set even better. Galvanic corrosion is a far bigger problem with aluminium.
lemat
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23 Apr 2026 12:23pm
For easier confortable ride go with stretched shapes with at least vee bottom, with double concave in could be even better.
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21 Apr 2026 12:19pm
I use some xps here and there but except specific "large cells" use by DIY airplane build Rutan style (very difficult to find) standard xps fibe cells for home build have poor adhesion with resin so "delam" easily. Those xps wing boards start delam under impact. When start it's grow quickly. Xtr pinholes process purpose is to stop delam growing. In fact it's not a real "delam" but cells under skin that separate, so with enough skin stiffness it's solid but quickly heavy.
Keep search.
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15 Apr 2026 2:25pm
Gestalt said..

lemat said..
Hollow boards come back. See more and more hollow wood DIY board here. And now Cobra offer hollow build so all "good" brands add hollow boards to their catalogs mostly for big sup and bigger foil boards. Need good waterproofing check. Personaly i still like more bet on foam to stay above water since i see the Salomon blue board of my friend going mid water after a powerful wave impact while we surf outside.



Yeah if punctured hollow boards loose flotation. But sealed removing foam just removes weight as the air which provides the volume doesn't change much.


For sure. If well made, with care, hollow board could be really good. At lake i windsurf there is guys with an old airinside board, he say he have a cup of water in each session, never find intake, not a real problem, he open the plug and let water go out like guys with hollow D2. Sometimes i think to build my next hybrid board like hollow wood but with foam with fiber panels. Then i think to my friend with is Salomon...
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14 Apr 2026 2:33pm
Hollow boards come back. See more and more hollow wood DIY board here. And now Cobra offer hollow build so all "good" brands add hollow boards to their catalogs mostly for big sup and bigger foil boards. Need good waterproofing check. Personaly i still like more bet on foam to stay above water since i see the Salomon blue board of my friend going mid water after a powerful wave impact while we surf outside.
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1 Apr 2026 10:22pm
Gestalt said..


lemat said..
With their one label and growing community, direct sale increase, they probably find to do more profit with their own production factory. They cut some in between guys and gain flexibility. They improve their buisness but they need volume so an agressive commercial way.







Definitely more profit for them.. that's a good thing if it allows them to do things better.

if I was in Europe I'd just get flikka boards. cheaper than duotone, custom and clearly fantastic designs. I've bought some of their fins and really like them.



And many others, puls, mojo, rico composites, pc2, cs boards, bubblecustomboards etc... many custom board builder cheaper than normal shop prices. But nobody pay normal prices always discount. Guys want to pay brand that well scored in review...paid by brand
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1 Apr 2026 8:17pm
With their one label and growing community, direct sale increase, they probably find to do more profit with their own production factory. They cut some in between guys and gain flexibility. They improve their buisness but they need volume so an agressive commercial way.
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1 Apr 2026 12:46pm
I think cobra can build high quality in quantity but brands ask best they can do for less money that's all, buisness. I bet brands pay board to cobra less than price a small shaper pay for materials (it's like that for surfboards). For sure a custom shaper can build a far better board (i speak construction not shape) than what brands ask to cobra but in small quantity without all the commercial work for sell.
Duotone is the new commercial way, after multiply brands to speak individuality (end 90's society), boards and more group (proprietary holding) now move to build a community under one same duotone label. You want to be a cool guy ? Come in the community, you will simply find everything you need even what to think!
Same for politics.
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