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SlowlyButSurely said..
As stated already,
super K remains the exact same. new for 2026 is the option to get flu yellow along side the red color.Heard to that a parawing specific board will be introduced although wasn't the Super K2 labelled by Keith himself as the parawing optimized board??

I use the Dragonfly Surf II board for very lw winging and pw and the SuperK2 for more powered conditions

Super K2 was not specifically optimized for parawing as I understand (despite it working very well for this use). The new parawing-focused board will be a little wider with different volume flow and deck features than the SK2. SK2 remains in the line this year. I think they are on a 2 year-ish cycle with each design.

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eppo said..

so you using this sub 18-20L board in marginal winds on the 4.3 . ? that's crazy. We also though we needed more width on the boards say 19-20 - yet my DW sup and prone boards were all 17' wide. Make sense to be narrow as possible. Does it "track" though . when you don't want it to ?

I'd say that the tracking issue of a longer narrower board is not so present on the Omen, but I was coming from a DW surf shape at 7'7" for lighter air and it tracks like mad. I was constantly being pulled off my toeside rail on starts with great frustration. The Omen has very little of this feeling in comparison. For me, marginal winds would be @ 16 knots to get up and flying on the Omen with the 4.3. If I can get the board to the surface and have reasonable pull in the PW, it has a great chance of getting going quickly; even faster than my DW board. I also rode a 2 year old 6.6, 90L AK Nomad which worked super well for PW as well and didn't track terribly.

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Spark said..
I don't foil drive but been riding KT for over a year now. There's a massive difference in size between the 960 atlas and 830 Nomad.960 atlas is actually a pretty big foil, I SUP DW it in 12ish knots.
I think with the foil section on the Atlas and Nomad, the additional span adds more and more early lift(like 15cm difference between the 2 foils mentioned ).I've had a go on the 1130 Atlas and that is just ridiculous compared to other 1100ish area wings on the market

Yes, this is the reason I don't feel the need to go bigger than 960 for any of the foil sports even at 93kg. Even the 830 will get up easily for me in lighter air wing foiling. FD is a different story so far, but there's more efficiency to be gained by making a couple of tweaks (longer trench board, Zip pod). We'll see!

While waiting for the new KT "Arc" parawing boards, I've been riding an Omen parawing-specific proto type, the "Pelagic" at 76L 6'6" x 17.5. I'm 93 kg. While I initially found it very narrow (I'm tall and like some offset in my stance), I've gotten used to it. It's actually quite low volume in the nose in contrast to the thinking that we need some volume to allow the nose to rebound and not bog, but the stand out feature is the ability to take off super easily. Being so narrow it rarely catches rail and a 77cm mast feels very sporty. In high wind it slices through the air going upwind. The KT will be 78L, 6' x 20.5 or so, so it'll be interesting to compare its ease of take off with some extra stability from the added width with the Omen's torpedo shape. The KT falls more in line with the Frank mini-Dart-style design. The Omen actually releases easier than my 7'6" SUP and is far less tracky, so if there's more than marginal wind for my 4.3, the Omen is good to go and offers a very high performance feel without being crazy unstable starting. Downside is I sink quickly if the wind lulls.

Thanks for taking the time to post that detailed tip. Might be time for a bigger stab on the smaller foil. Feel like I'm doing all the things you describe minus back foot up first, so I'll change technique there. I have all settings turned up to full power, so it's surprising I can't get the 830 consistently lifting without paddling like mad fully forward on the board. Funny, I was telling a friend before the Fusion came out that "I wish Ihe Max had 40% more power on the start", then of course the Fusion launches with 40% more juice, LOL. Anyway, I'll keep practicing!

Thanks for the reply, Piros! I'm on the 77cm carbon KT mast and am very familiar with setting up correct shims on the KT gear. I was wondering if people might be shimming little differently on the FD compared to what they'd ride unassisted. There's no way I'd have enough power to get flat water starts on the Nomad 700 on my Ginxu; I'd be plowing and would blow through my boost without getting to lifting speed. For me the 830 takes a ton of one arm paddling (Ginxu is carbon, so signal gets lost if controller goes underwater with throttle hand paddling). Even the 960 needs some paddling once I'm below 50% battery. With wetsuit I'm likely over 97kg. Cold water/air temp must have some effect on battery performance/output as well (west coast Canada in winter, 6-8 Celsius air temp). Really hoping the trench helps as you say as I'm a bit underwhelmed by the Max's power unless I have a wave to get into right away. A Fusion is not an option for me at the moment.

Tall rider (6'5"/195cm), 93kg on Foil Drive Max, 3 blade prop, HP battery, HP motor. 5'3" x 22" Ginxu2 62L (for now). Largest foil: Atlas 960, 170 tail. Step down to Nomad 830, 155 tail.

I can flat water start the 960 relatively easy enough but the 830 is very marginal and really eats battery trying to flat water start.

I find Atlas 960 to be quite efficient and easy to ride while only SUP foiling in surf or light air winging/parawinging (no FD). On the FD however, the different positioning (slammed far forward in tracks to mitigate some battery weight) and general weight of the unit creates a more vague, "washy" feel while riding as opposed to the sharper, more direct feel I'm used to. I don't want to have to ride a larger foil in the surf as the Atlas already is pretty spanny (1020mm). Do others feel this ride characteristic with their foils on the FD vs non-assist riding? I do sort of get used to this difference in ride feel, but the ride character is very different on the FD. I'd love to be riding the 830 more but find it very difficult to FD on without killing battery quickly in the local spot with the current and chop interfering with good take offs. Are others feeling like they can get a very similar feel from their foils when switching back and forth from FD to non-assisted riding? Or is this washy feel just the physics of adding a bunch of weight to the rig and then adapting? Are people shimming tails differently or even using larger stabs for a given foil size on FD?

I have a longer, narrower KT trench board on order to get more efficiency and bring the unit closer to my feet, so hoping this gives a sharper feel. I don't have the benefit of trying other peoples' rigs for comparison for the most part, so my experience is pretty limited with FD. Thanks!

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bolocom said..

I have a 777 4m and want to get a 3m. Would get another 777 or change? Haven't tried anything else so I really don't know if I am missing anything

I'd be happy with another 777 for sure. But the Ozone PP has some very cool features. Also excited to see the V2 PR if it incorporates some of these features while maintaining upwind angle/speed.

Got to try the 4.3 PP today in 18-25 knots today. 93kg, 6'6" x 17.5" x 76L board, KT 960 Atlas/155 Nomad tail. Started with a @5km DW then sessioned the spot at the bottom of the run the rest of the afternoon with a short stint on my 3m Triple Seven Skin when the wind picked up. In short, the PP worked really well not only for the DW run but also for the 1km UW/DW session. Loved the low end take off, high end handling, easy pack, and was pleasantly surprised by the upwind ability (my biggest concern). The more powered it is the better it rips upwind. Hooked in, it feels ultra stable and relaxing to fly with a definite centre of effort that tells you exactly how much sheeting you need to do (my 777 Skin has a slightly vague C of E despite being a very nice parawing as well). I did notice in lulls that my UW angle did drop off some, but it's far from a deal breaker. General speed was better than expected; I'm not sure I agree that it feels slow, but it has been a while since I've ridden a Pocket Rocket for comparison. It felt close to the 777 in speed, which I was happy with. Early impression, but a good one!