Okay, shoot me down people. I'm keen to get into winging. I am a windsurfer and windfoiler, Is it conceivable that I could fly my Severne redwing, which is a 1400sqcm low aspect foil on my JP 135 Hydrofoil with a wing? I'm 70kg. Its a deep tuttle, so mast position will be a too far back and it has a long 940mm fuselage. I'm trying to avoid buying a big board and then 10 sessions in, wishing I had something smaller.

Should fly in gusts around 15.
Should need backfoot to move near rear straps to fly, then step forward to control nose height.
Maybe a 5.0 to start.
Lots of pumping, bear off, step back.

I think the main issue you might experience is that the tuttle is too far back. I know people who have addressed by installing foil mast tracks a little forward of the tuttle and then using a standard track mount (most brands have an adapter, some are generic).

Your second issue may be the front foil is on small side, especially for learning, when you want quick lift off. So all that means is you will want to ride at upper end of the wind range for the wind you are on. EG if you are using a 5m, you probably want it 20kt. Once you get used to it, you can generate lift with pumping, but when you start you want power on demand.

Give it a go. What have you got to lose?

If there's enough wind it will come up. You'll probably have to get a bit creative about moving your feet around on the deck. If/when you get it foiling you'll have learned a heap of stuff about foiling and winging which will stand you in good stead once you decide to get a wing board.

Thanks guys, would option 2 potentially be a similar degree of difficulty, which is go straight to an 80-85 litre board? (70kg rider)

Thought you wanted to save money.
You can uphaul a 85 liter windsurf board.
So, easy to kneel, then stand on 85 liter, much wider, and dump the 22 lbs. rig.
Narrower boards foil up sooner at your weight.
Your 135 foils up much later, since it's width and surface area is dragging and keeping your body weight from planing, and then accelerating a bit more to bring the 1400 foil onto play.

My only question is "why"?
I'm 72 kg and also in age.
I can windfoil in 8-14 with a 5.2 meter sail.
For wing, I would need around a 5.5 meter wing.
See where this is leading?
My g/f is a dedicated winger. Advanced intermediate in windsurfing and windfoil. She likes the simplified gear and ease of transport of wings.
I'm advanced in windsurfing and intermediate in windfoil, hate the yoga like balance needed for winging.
Lots of gear in van.

I can't see a problem Nellie, at least to try and keep things cheap. A mate wings a slingshot wizard with Tuttle no problem. Off course a real wing board will be better but that probably means a new foil too. 1400sqcm is fine at your weight if your not chasing the light wind stuff. I'm 80kg and use a 1240sqcm in everything.
Nothing to loose, give it a go.

Lots if SS Alien 115 riders go both ways.
And Pocket Rocket riders too.

I started winging on my windfoil slingshot 125 and i99 foil. It worked pretty well for me. You'll need to put your feet back a bit and play around given the tuttle position.

After my 4th session I realized I was hooked on Winging and decided to sell all my windfoil gear and just buy the winging equipment and I couldn't be happier.

DC

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LeeD said..
My only question is "why"?
I'm 72 kg and also in age.
I can windfoil in 8-14 with a 5.2 meter sail.
For wing, I would need around a 5.5 meter wing.
See where this is leading?
My g/f is a dedicated winger. Advanced intermediate in windsurfing and windfoil. She likes the simplified gear and ease of transport of wings.
I'm advanced in windsurfing and intermediate in windfoil, hate the yoga like balance needed for winging.
Lots of gear in van.

Lee,
I want something I can throw in the back of the car for after work, I will still windfoil, but realistically that's only a weekend option for me. I was think maybe I could save some money initially to get me going and see if I like it, but would need a small board eventually for the small kit in the car option to be a winner.

Down here there is a windfoil tuttle board (Horue) with tracks added further forward. Works very well for him.

If you can get one of this, you would be able to learn on what you have now:chinooksailing.com/products/powerplate-windsurf-foil-plate-coming-soon

then buy a 85l board would be the perfect size for your weight.

I've been using the Severne redwing for winging, session #10 this morning. I'm up and flying but using the Redwing has made it much more complicated imo. To make it work I've since bought a proper wing board and had to find a plate adapter, shorter fuselage and shorter mast. You'll find the redwing fuselage puts the frontwing too far forward on a wing board but might work on a windfoil board. Luckily the SMIK gear, not yet released will be compatible. However I'm now finding that the AOA on the stabiliser is way too negative and needs about a 3-4 degree shim to get me back towards the centre of the board. Like others have said, have a crack with what you've got. I know a few other windfoilers have done likewise but all are now on wingfoil specific gear.

Have a Fanatic Stingray 125 and a Flow 1500 (cm2). Tried winging with it. Foil was too far back but probably manageable. The big issue was the windsurf non-stick ravaging my knees and the wing tips. Stopped after one session. Bought a proper board and glad I did. (85kg)

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NordRoi said..
If you can get one of this, you would be able to learn on what you have now:chinooksailing.com/products/powerplate-windsurf-foil-plate-coming-soon

then buy a 85l board would be the perfect size for your weight.

That does look promising. The windfall board could then be the learner board, as I am the supplier of new toys to play on for my windsurfing friends.

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flatchat said..
I've been using the Severne redwing for winging, session #10 this morning. I'm up and flying but using the Redwing has made it much more complicated imo. To make it work I've since bought a proper wing board and had to find a plate adapter, shorter fuselage and shorter mast. You'll find the redwing fuselage puts the frontwing too far forward on a wing board but might work on a windfoil board. Luckily the SMIK gear, not yet released will be compatible. However I'm now finding that the AOA on the stabiliser is way too negative and needs about a 3-4 degree shim to get me back towards the centre of the board. Like others have said, have a crack with what you've got. I know a few other windfoilers have done likewise but all are now on wingfoil specific gear.

Flatchat,
Did you talk with Severne as to whether they are contemplating getting into winging? Are Smik bringing out foils? Their boards look good and great prices. A plate adapter and short fuselage would be good.

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flatchat said..
I've been using the Severne redwing for winging, session #10 this morning. I'm up and flying but using the Redwing has made it much more complicated imo. To make it work I've since bought a proper wing board and had to find a plate adapter, shorter fuselage and shorter mast. You'll find the redwing fuselage puts the frontwing too far forward on a wing board but might work on a windfoil board. Luckily the SMIK gear, not yet released will be compatible. However I'm now finding that the AOA on the stabiliser is way too negative and needs about a 3-4 degree shim to get me back towards the centre of the board. Like others have said, have a crack with what you've got. I know a few other windfoilers have done likewise but all are now on wingfoil specific gear.

Flatchat,
Did you talk with Severne as to whether they are contemplating getting into winging? Are Smik bringing out foils? Their boards look good and great prices. A plate adapter and short fuselage would be good.

No to the first question and I'm led to believe Smik will have something on the market soon. I'm lucky enough to have got some of the Smik components, as mentioned above, which is fully compatible with the Redwing foils "so far". I'm hoping the Smik gear arrives soon. The price point on current Smik gear is good so hoping the foils are the same.

Go for it Nelle. The 1400's small size will likely be more of an issue than your board. I am one of these people who learned on a windfoil board, a Slingshot Wizard, and it as great, I'll still use it as my lightwind board. I even got tracks put in further forwards, but honestly they don't make too much of a difference. When your winging strapless it doesn't matter too much if the box is far back because you can just move yourself until you are in the right position. If your experience is anything like mine you will find that your front heel pushes up against the front edge of your front footstraps. I recommend keeping your front straps on for carrying the board and they will help you orient your feet when foiling. I don't have rear straps on my board, but I could see them being a problem. Good luck!

Go for it Nelle. The 1400's small size will likely be more of an issue than your board. I am one of these people who learned on a windfoil board, a Slingshot Wizard, and it as great, I'll still use it as my lightwind board. I even got tracks put in further forwards, but honestly they don't make too much of a difference. When your winging strapless it doesn't matter too much if the box is far back because you can just move yourself until you are in the right position. If your experience is anything like mine you will find that your front heel pushes up against the front edge of your front footstraps. I recommend keeping your front straps on for carrying the board and they will help you orient your feet when foiling. I don't have rear straps on my board, but I could see them being a problem. Good luck!