It has been quite some time that Armstrong introduced some new foils for the pace they where releasing in the past. Does somebody know which projects are in the pipeline? Just curious to know

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Robert211 said..
It has been quite some time that Armstrong introduced some new foils for the pace they where releasing in the past. Does somebody know which projects are in the pipeline? Just curious to know

I think you can see across the industry that it slowed down obviously. Last 2 years we had almost 2 new foils every year from every brand and most of the brands have every discipline covered now and newer versions would probably not make a huge difference .

Is there a new XPS wing coming out?

Some talk of MA version 2 protos floating about and testing of new tails. Obviously the new prone board has been released recently. HA version 2 ticks so many boxes not sure there's any reason for any product releases at the moment.

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Is there a new XPS wing coming out?

I'm wondering about this too. Hopefully a boom.

Race front wings coming. Then probably new MAs don't think we see new XPS till end of Q2 2025

I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

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I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

Not sure what this has to do with the threads purpose but ..

are you relating this to the Australian market. If so - we are entirely irrelevant and the numbers in markets that count are doing very well.

They did lose a lot of riders with the MA but the new Ha is bringing some back into the fold again.

As well as for all the other brands. We don't mean diddley squat. I'd say all brand market share is being diluted somewhat as there are soo many good brands out there now. But the actual units moving are still very healthy.

But i will concede the rate of growth could stabilise out soon if it hasn't already.

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I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

Yeah! Bought the 685 for the same reasons, just wrote something about that in the DWP for winging post. Really curious for the race wings as well and their differences in design.

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

How do you like winging on the 755 so far? Also doing DW runs (with wing) with it? How is the top-end?

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.

Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.

I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.

What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.

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eppo said..

SlowlyButSurely said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.

Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.

I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.

What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.

Had a Code 11 AR foil 860r. Amazing at some things but comes with its own problems. The wide span made it slow compared to the 850s. But it had the lift and glide of a much bigger wing. So it is important to size down when Army brings them out as they will. Dedicated followers of fashion. Will be good for your dw run Eppo.

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eppo said..

SlowlyButSurely said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.

Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.

I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.

What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.

That last sentence I feel is really true. I use the 140 quite a lot, 'because it is faster' but it feels like it is quite a neutral stab that does not do much. I like the looks and reports on the HA stabs of AFS. A more HA 140 stab which adds glide (so you can use a 580 instead of 680, but keep the glide and gain some speed) would be great. Have read somewhere new tails are on the way, but how far along are they? Already spotted being tested somewhere?

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hilly said..

eppo said..

SlowlyButSurely said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.

Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.

I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.

What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.

Had a Code 11 AR foil 860r. Amazing at some things but comes with its own problems. The wide span made it slow compared to the 850s. But it had the lift and glide of a much bigger wing. So it is important to size down when Army brings them out as they will. Dedicated followers of fashion. Will be good for your dw run Eppo.

Yeh of course. For your fast and powered tow boogie stuff for example you don't want an 11 aspect foil. One of the main advantages of the armie Ha is as matt said - too slow - size down - they are easy enough to paddle up. I just can see a higher performing front foil that still has some all round priorities and easy to use - built into it like say the new AfS enduro.

I would add anything above the 1000 sw cm mark needs to made with ultra high modulus material (like say the AfS / KT new foils - as you gotta take out that span wobble as much as possible.

No race wings or new stabs, but a new board though:

www.armstrongfoils.com/products/boards/surf-board/

Hi
Is an ML V2 update planned for 2025?

They were covering up team foils on the beach during the M2O this year, my money is on a race foil surfacing as the next addition.

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eppo said..

hilly said..

eppo said..

SlowlyButSurely said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.

Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.

I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.

What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.

Had a Code 11 AR foil 860r. Amazing at some things but comes with its own problems. The wide span made it slow compared to the 850s. But it had the lift and glide of a much bigger wing. So it is important to size down when Army brings them out as they will. Dedicated followers of fashion. Will be good for your dw run Eppo.

Yeh of course. For your fast and powered tow boogie stuff for example you don't want an 11 aspect foil. One of the main advantages of the armie Ha is as matt said - too slow - size down - they are easy enough to paddle up. I just can see a higher performing front foil that still has some all round priorities and easy to use - built into it like say the new AfS enduro.

I would add anything above the 1000 sw cm mark needs to made with ultra high modulus material (like say the AfS / KT new foils - as you gotta take out that span wobble as much as possible.

Only used it on the ding to downwind. Felt slow and draggy compared to a 720s.

Most wings have longer handle and a boom option now.
Guessing that will be the next upgrade to the XPS.

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

I'm an owner DWP, and I definitely want a new line in between. The HA is slow in some conditions, and the DWP can be very demanding if conditions are not good.

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Pacoo said..

SlowlyButSurely said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.

On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.

Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.

Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.

I'm an owner DWP, and I definitely want a new line in between. The HA is slow in some conditions, and the DWP can be very demanding if conditions are not good.

Which DWP size is this? With demanding you mean input heavy (steering), or control (pitch, nervous etc)?

Finally tried the DWP755.......
All I can say is that my HA780v2 will go for sale.

I was afraid of handling the DWP but I found it pretty user friendly. Stall speed is higher than HAv2 but given the fact that I will use it for those 15kt+ days I am not too concerned.


The DWP handles breaches better than HA, it turns well, handles speed infinitely better than HA and it is more silent than the HA.
HA780+speed180 was whistling like crazy. DWP755+speed180 is super silent

I dont think DWP is for everybody. But if you are comfortable with your HA780-680-580 and want more top end the DWP755/685 is a nice alternative.

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SlowlyButSurely said..
Finally tried the DWP755.......
All I can say is that my HA780v2 will go for sale.

I was afraid of handling the DWP but I found it pretty user friendly. Stall speed is higher than HAv2 but given the fact that I will use it for those 15kt+ days I am not too concerned.


The DWP handles breaches better than HA, it turns well, handles speed infinitely better than HA and it is more silent than the HA.
HA780+speed180 was whistling like crazy. DWP755+speed180 is super silent

I dont think DWP is for everybody. But if you are comfortable with your HA780-680-580 and want more top end the DWP755/685 is a nice alternative.

Awesome! Still waiting for my 685 to find a way to me. Really nice to read your experience. But does it really replace your 780 though? I have the 680 & 880 and my idea was the 685 between those sizes. The span being more or less equal to the 880 and the size to the 680. So with low-wind the early rise of the 880, with more wind the same glide with the 685 but more top-end and to DW good waves. Then the 680 for the better swell and breaking waves (80kg, 140/195 tail, cedrus evo surf 82.5 and mostly 46L AK phazer). So in this equation it would sooner replace the 880 than the 680? Thinking the span is more relevant than the surface area? So in your case that would be a 980 instead of the 780 right?

On the comment of what is next for Armstrong, I now see a more extensive 'easy' DW foil line in the AR11 range happening more and more! The lack of a bigger size and 'easier' foils than the 930 is crazy, especially as most other brands are jumping big time in this gap (and all the hype around the AFS Enduro and the KT Atlas - both around AR11). I feel like the lack of the release of a bigger DWP foil is the confirmation of a new line, to not be controversial and to create some 'release air'. This AR 11 range is really under represented with only the APF 1350 in there, which is a bit of a lone ranger. They have dedicated DW boards for all levels, but not the foils, which is weird.

Also, they seem to like to introduce boards and foils in opposite fields. Last release was new DW boards and really surfy HA foils. Now we got the surfy new board already, so DW foils next?

Would be awesome to see more foils between this AR 9/10 (HAv2) and AR13 (DWP) range. Personally I feel like that AR11 would be a big sweetspot for a line of foils! Together with some more technical tails!

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Robert211 said..

SlowlyButSurely said..
Finally tried the DWP755.......
All I can say is that my HA780v2 will go for sale.

I was afraid of handling the DWP but I found it pretty user friendly. Stall speed is higher than HAv2 but given the fact that I will use it for those 15kt+ days I am not too concerned.


The DWP handles breaches better than HA, it turns well, handles speed infinitely better than HA and it is more silent than the HA.
HA780+speed180 was whistling like crazy. DWP755+speed180 is super silent

I dont think DWP is for everybody. But if you are comfortable with your HA780-680-580 and want more top end the DWP755/685 is a nice alternative.

Awesome! Still waiting for my 685 to find a way to me. Really nice to read your experience. But does it really replace your 780 though? I have the 680 & 880 and my idea was the 685 between those sizes. The span being more or less equal to the 880 and the size to the 680. So with low-wind the early rise of the 880, with more wind the same glide with the 685 but more top-end and to DW good waves. Then the 680 for the better swell and breaking waves (80kg, 140/195 tail, cedrus evo surf 82.5 and mostly 46L AK phazer). So in this equation it would sooner replace the 880 than the 680? Thinking the span is more relevant than the surface area? So in your case that would be a 980 instead of the 780 right?

On the comment of what is next for Armstrong, I now see a more extensive 'easy' DW foil line in the AR11 range happening more and more! The lack of a bigger size and 'easier' foils than the 930 is crazy, especially as most other brands are jumping big time in this gap (and all the hype around the AFS Enduro and the KT Atlas - both around AR11). I feel like the lack of the release of a bigger DWP foil is the confirmation of a new line, to not be controversial and to create some 'release air'. This AR 11 range is really under represented with only the APF 1350 in there, which is a bit of a lone ranger. They have dedicated DW boards for all levels, but not the foils, which is weird.

Also, they seem to like to introduce boards and foils in opposite fields. Last release was new DW boards and really surfy HA foils. Now we got the surfy new board already, so DW foils next?

Would be awesome to see more foils between this AR 9/10 (HAv2) and AR13 (DWP) range. Personally I feel like that AR11 would be a big sweetspot for a line of foils! Together with some more technical tails!

Dude you and I have come to exact same conclusion. Couldn't have said it better.

@ slowbutsurely - you sure the Stall speed is higher - I've only surf supped it and proned the 930 (so hopefully DW sup it soon) and I found the stall speed way better than say the 980/880 ha. Infact this is what stood out to me ?

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eppo said..

Robert211 said..

SlowlyButSurely said..
Finally tried the DWP755.......
All I can say is that my HA780v2 will go for sale.

I was afraid of handling the DWP but I found it pretty user friendly. Stall speed is higher than HAv2 but given the fact that I will use it for those 15kt+ days I am not too concerned.


The DWP handles breaches better than HA, it turns well, handles speed infinitely better than HA and it is more silent than the HA.
HA780+speed180 was whistling like crazy. DWP755+speed180 is super silent

I dont think DWP is for everybody. But if you are comfortable with your HA780-680-580 and want more top end the DWP755/685 is a nice alternative.

Awesome! Still waiting for my 685 to find a way to me. Really nice to read your experience. But does it really replace your 780 though? I have the 680 & 880 and my idea was the 685 between those sizes. The span being more or less equal to the 880 and the size to the 680. So with low-wind the early rise of the 880, with more wind the same glide with the 685 but more top-end and to DW good waves. Then the 680 for the better swell and breaking waves (80kg, 140/195 tail, cedrus evo surf 82.5 and mostly 46L AK phazer). So in this equation it would sooner replace the 880 than the 680? Thinking the span is more relevant than the surface area? So in your case that would be a 980 instead of the 780 right?

On the comment of what is next for Armstrong, I now see a more extensive 'easy' DW foil line in the AR11 range happening more and more! The lack of a bigger size and 'easier' foils than the 930 is crazy, especially as most other brands are jumping big time in this gap (and all the hype around the AFS Enduro and the KT Atlas - both around AR11). I feel like the lack of the release of a bigger DWP foil is the confirmation of a new line, to not be controversial and to create some 'release air'. This AR 11 range is really under represented with only the APF 1350 in there, which is a bit of a lone ranger. They have dedicated DW boards for all levels, but not the foils, which is weird.

Also, they seem to like to introduce boards and foils in opposite fields. Last release was new DW boards and really surfy HA foils. Now we got the surfy new board already, so DW foils next?

Would be awesome to see more foils between this AR 9/10 (HAv2) and AR13 (DWP) range. Personally I feel like that AR11 would be a big sweetspot for a line of foils! Together with some more technical tails!

Dude you and I have come to exact same conclusion. Couldn't have said it better.

@ slowbutsurely - you sure the Stall speed is higher - I've only surf supped it and proned the 930 (so hopefully DW sup it soon) and I found the stall speed way better than say the 980/880 ha. Infact this is what stood out to me ?

yeah maybe I need to get more rides with the DWP. But with the HA780 when *hit hits the fan I was able to do a super tight, almost still jibe without problems, with the DWP I needed to hold more speed. But maybe you are right it is a question of practice.

But the main reason why I sold the HAv2 and kept the DWP was that with the DWP you can really go fast and be very pitch stable. The HAv2 were great in the low to mid end but became quite finicky in the top end.

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love the video! what conditions, tail / rider weight etc?

Its not me. I have just been watching this thread and curious about winging the DWP's. That guy is 87kg and he is riding a 5m flux. Looks like it turns pretty good. I found another video where a guy sold his HAv2's for the dwp755 and did not look back. Here it is. Read the comments. He is just riding the swells and not surfing waves with it



Also this guy went winging the 685

Here are some pics of the 3 wings (685, 880, 680):

t.t.b.: 685 - 880 - 680

t.t.b.: 680 - 685

t.t.b.: 880 - 685

One thing about the DWP, they do not build front foot pressure the faster you go, so it takes some getting used to. Like dropping in on a big swell, it's easy to overdo the drop in. I didn't really put that to words until I heard Oscar talking about it on a podcast.