Anyone else winging on the new unifoil gear? I've never seen anyone in my local area on the gear and there is minimal talk on this forum.

I recently got a Hyper2 170 w/83cm stiff mast and have been winging it for the past few weeks. It's really fantastic in all respects. Have ridden it from 8knots to 25knots in flat water up to chest high waves. 75kg, 75L board, 5m wing, advanced, strapless.

I have hyoer2 190/170 vyper 150 and 83cm carbon mast.

All awesome, more technical to ride than my old HPS 880/830 but better in all respects so far.

Mike

I have the Hyper2 190. On the positive, it is very fast and it turns amazingly well for a foil of this size. On the negative, the low end is definitely lacking, which also makes it more challenging to pump than other foils at this size. Ive shimmed it quite a bit and I ride it further forward than anything else I have tried. It feels more like a high aspect foil in the 800-1000 sqcm range than anything I have tried at this size. I like it a lot and am looking forward to getting a Progression 140 as well. Also thinking about getting a H2 210 for the low end.

Lots more reviews and tuning information on the ProgressionProject forum.

I'm 83kg, my light wind board is 80L and my big wing a 6m, I can usual get my 190 going pretty early. Wouldn't consider getting a bigger one, I just point it off the wind and pump it hard til I've got some board speed then it lifts fine. Way better than my 880 hps but not as early as my old 890 bsc.

Mike

I am 100kg on 85L board. I have 190, 210, 250. 190 and 210 are quite close and both get going pretty early. I use 190 with a smaller stub (shiv) as I set it up for stronger wind and bigger waves. 210 gets me going in about 10-12. The 250 is a different animal than other Hypers. It is higher aspect than 190/210. It is an absolute light wind monster or a great smaller bump DW wing. It is an amazing foil for heavier guys like myself. But you need some pounds to appreciate it

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Mikedubs said..
I'm 83kg, my light wind board is 80L and my big wing a 6m, I can usual get my 190 going pretty early. Wouldn't consider getting a bigger one, I just point it off the wind and pump it hard til I've got some board speed then it lifts fine. Way better than my 880 hps but not as early as my old 890 bsc.

Mike

What stabilizer are you using on the H2 190 and how do you have it shimmed?

I found the Takuma 178 stabilizer worked best for me. I have it shimmed 1 degree (more lift) and its almost all the way forward in the tracks. For reference, I ride the 1095 and H800 both with 0.5 degree shim and about 0.5" further back than the 190. The 1095 definitely has better low end than the h2 190 for me. Im 80kg on a 60L board.

I also have a Marlin and Uni Race (chopped to 13.5") that I'm going to play with (hearing that the Race tail is the right match for the Progression). Didn't like the original KD 13.5 with the H2 - It added low end, but at the expense of drag and didn't turn as well as the 178.

I personally would not get a larger H2 than the 170. My low end on the H2 170 is actually quite good, takes off like the ART wings (longer takeoff) but it's not bad. I was winging in 8-13 knots the other day on a 5m, 75L board, 75kg, which was quite surprising. Not as good as my PNG1010 but still nice low-end.

I was thinking of gapping down to the Progression 140 or possibly the 125 if that comes out somewhat in the near term.

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Icebergmansion said..
I personally would not get a larger H2 than the 170. My low end on the H2 170 is actually quite good, takes off like the ART wings (longer takeoff) but it's not bad. I was winging in 8-13 knots the other day on a 5m, 75L board, 75kg, which was quite surprising. Not as good as my PNG1010 but still nice low-end.

I was thinking of gapping down to the Progression 140 or possibly the 125 if that comes out somewhat in the near term.

I hear that the 170 H2 and 140 progression are very overlapping.

Surprised that others are finding this kind of low end on the H2. Makes me curious as to the tuning.

The Uni team riders (Tom Earl, Josh Ku) are absolutely ripping prone and downwind on the 190 and 210. They make those wings look like 120s.

Velociraptor

What stabilizer are you using on the H2 190 and how do you have it shimmed?

I have a race 18, cut down to 16 with 1 degree, otherwise if windy shank or shiv with 1 or 0 degree.

I find they just need pointing downwind more for boardspeed and it comes up fine, same with 170.

Mike

I've been riding the H2 170 alot in most disciplines (prone, wing, tow) and I found a tuning I really like finally: shunt tail with zero degree shim and mast extremely far forward in the box. It's fantastic, very fast and completely even foot pressure during turns and with accelerations etc.

I used to ride a lot of Axis gear and the pitching was ridiculous now matter what, like riding a bronco when you dropped into a wave. This setup is completely stable, allows you to really carve hard without worrying about breaches or touchdowns.

I'm not sure why, but I agree, the 170 rides like a 120. Very fast and maneuverable with about the same low-end and pumping skill requirements.

If there's a lot of overlap with the prog140 then that is great, I don't have to buy another wing!

If anyone is willing to sell a Shunt tail, I would be interested to buy. I want that tail, but don't want the other two in the pack. Im in the US.

Any recommendations for a stab that gives more stability (and or dampens the looseness) of my original Hyper 170

I have the prog 170 and 140. Pros: surfy and good pump. Cons: Doesn't like to be ridden about 18mph. Generally med slow. Also tends to ventilate easily when ridden high on the mast and tips don't breach well. Kujira 1095 is better in my opinion. Even though the 1095 is a bit thick it can handle higher speeds 20mph+ fairly well and turns just as well, maybe not quite as good on the pump.
I don't think you should have to sacrifice speed for surfy feel. Who wants to surf downwind for 1/2 mile for mile then slog back up wind at 18mph. You should be able to go 20-25mph. I use the progressions for prone now and getting Mikes Lab foils for winging which does everything well. More expensive but worth it. F One Eagles are a decent runner up.
Having said all that, I haven't ridden the Hyper H2 so don't have first hand experience. Second hand I've heard from 3 others that the tips don't breach well but would like to hear if folks are able to really push this foil winging and have it behave well.

I have gained a lot more experience on the h2 (170, 190 and 210) and the progression 140 and have dialed in the tuning more. I wrote a longer post on the progression project forum, but basically, these foils turn excellent for their size and the hyper2 is a good bit faster than the progression without compromising too much turning. The flip side is that they don't like to be ridden outside of their speed range. The progression kind of hits a speed walk, and the h2 can get pitchy with too much speed. Until that point tthey are both excellent. I've shimmed more pitch stability into the h2 and larger tails help, but both tunings come at the slight expense of speed.
progressions ride larger for their size (in terms of pump and speed). Hyper2 rides small for its size. Both turn very well.

h2 190 has become an all around favorite of mine. When the waves are right the progression 140 is also a ton of fun, but it definitely has a speed limit. h2 210 is a lightwind weapon and it has a good bit of speed and turning for its size. I want the h2 170 to be my speed wing, but I still haven't figured out the pitchiness.
I hear the new progression tails are faster and I'm hoping that unlocks more top end for me.

First day in some swell with my Hyper 170 original. Wow what a step up from Axis. This the foil Axis should have made! But Unifoil made it instead. Loose, fast and predictable with incredible glide and slow stall speed.

If Axis users are reading this, imagine the Glide of the ART foils with the ease of use and slower stall speed of the HPS. Phenomenal.

Hi all,

I've been winging on the uni progression 170 for a few months now, used it in a range of conditions so have a bit more of a feel for it overall, so thought I'd add my thoughts. I'm 80kgs, ride a 60L Takoon glide V2, predominantly in conditions 14-22knts using 3.5-4.5m wings.

The 170 works really well for winging, has plenty of lift to get up onto the foil at moderate speeds when taking off and is not too nervous. Once up, it's stable, has pretty good upwind angle, and the glide is great for jibing and pumping downwind. However, this foil is slower than a lot of other foils of a similar type. As others have said, you'll definitely find yourself being over taken by F-ones and Takumas, and this can be a bit frustrating after you've just had a blast downwinding and now have to slog your way back up at what can feel like a snail's pace....

...But this is really where this foil excels: downwind riding of waves. The low stall speed is insane, and dropping into steep wind swell waves is actually where the slow max speed is really beneficial, because you can stay in control the foil much easier no matter how hollow or steep the wave is. I guess this is on purpose, as really this is a foil designed for surfing rather than winging. The pumping is excellent, and being able to generate some more lift by carving aggressively even at low speeds means that you can get a lot of fun out of even one foot waves. For it's size and glide, this foil turns very well and I've found it more forgiving when breaching than most others, but obviously you have to take care when carving on tiny wind chop given the span of the foil.

I'm still unsure with the best choice of the 3 stabilisers, but for me I've found that the front pressure stab (the 'shunt' I think) with zero shim gives the best winging experience, at the expense of some pumping efficiency.

I've not tried the smaller 140 or 125 progression yet, but my feeling is that they might help ameliorate the negative aspects of speed and turning whilst winging, but first I gotta save up some more money.... oh my days, this sport is not good on my bank account...

The Jacketless Wonder

The P125 is an amazing winging foil. I've owned almost everything in the h2 and progression series and this one is gold.
it is much faster than all of the others and doesn't have the pitchiness that the h2 170 has. It easily sails at 20+ mph and can surf extremely well. It just feels like the high performance of the foil is extremely accessible and easy. This is kind of counterintuitive, but getting it off the water is challenging when it isn't powered, yet it has a very low stall speed for its size and pumps very well. It doesn't go over 20 mph easily, but it holds that speed without drama. I use it anytime it's blowing more than 17kts or so.

In my opinion, the h2 190 and p125 are a perfect wing quiver for free ride, downwind and wave riding. I like the progression 14.5 tail best with both of them although I haven't tried the 13.5 yet.

h2 170 was very skittish and pitchy. It has speed but it gets weird when you unlock that speed. Didn't love this one and sold it.
p140 is very good, but it's slow. If you want to surf waves and slow things down to stay in control, this is an excellent wing. I feel like this wing is slow enough that there is no need for the p170 if you have a sail.
H2 210 is very fast for its size, but it's huge and doesn't turn great. I still use it for micro downwind conditions, but the h2 190 is better most of the time when you want to turn.
generally the h2 series rides fast, but a bit stiff in turning and the p series rides slow but turns well. I ride the h2s with a lot of shim (1-2 degrees) and I ride the progressions with 0-0.5 shim.

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Velocicraptor said..
The P125 is an amazing winging foil. I've owned almost everything in the h2 and progression series and this one is gold.
it is much faster than all of the others and doesn't have the pitchiness that the h2 170 has. It easily sails at 20+ mph and can surf extremely well. It just feels like the high performance of the foil is extremely accessible and easy. This is kind of counterintuitive, but getting it off the water is challenging when it isn't powered, yet it has a very low stall speed for its size and pumps very well. It doesn't go over 20 mph easily, but it holds that speed without drama. I use it anytime it's blowing more than 17kts or so.

In my opinion, the h2 190 and p125 are a perfect wing quiver for free ride, downwind and wave riding. I like the progression 14.5 tail best with both of them although I haven't tried the 13.5 yet.

h2 170 was very skittish and pitchy. It has speed but it gets weird when you unlock that speed. Didn't love this one and sold it.
p140 is very good, but it's slow. If you want to surf waves and slow things down to stay in control, this is an excellent wing. I feel like this wing is slow enough that there is no need for the p170 if you have a sail.
H2 210 is very fast for its size, but it's huge and doesn't turn great. I still use it for micro downwind conditions, but the h2 190 is better most of the time when you want to turn.
generally the h2 series rides fast, but a bit stiff in turning and the p series rides slow but turns well. I ride the h2s with a lot of shim (1-2 degrees) and I ride the progressions with 0-0.5 shim.

Have you tried Armstrong HA925? Wondering how does the P125 compares given they have a similar ratio.

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Foilmate said..

Velocicraptor said..
The P125 is an amazing winging foil. I've owned almost everything in the h2 and progression series and this one is gold.
it is much faster than all of the others and doesn't have the pitchiness that the h2 170 has. It easily sails at 20+ mph and can surf extremely well. It just feels like the high performance of the foil is extremely accessible and easy. This is kind of counterintuitive, but getting it off the water is challenging when it isn't powered, yet it has a very low stall speed for its size and pumps very well. It doesn't go over 20 mph easily, but it holds that speed without drama. I use it anytime it's blowing more than 17kts or so.

In my opinion, the h2 190 and p125 are a perfect wing quiver for free ride, downwind and wave riding. I like the progression 14.5 tail best with both of them although I haven't tried the 13.5 yet.

h2 170 was very skittish and pitchy. It has speed but it gets weird when you unlock that speed. Didn't love this one and sold it.
p140 is very good, but it's slow. If you want to surf waves and slow things down to stay in control, this is an excellent wing. I feel like this wing is slow enough that there is no need for the p170 if you have a sail.
H2 210 is very fast for its size, but it's huge and doesn't turn great. I still use it for micro downwind conditions, but the h2 190 is better most of the time when you want to turn.
generally the h2 series rides fast, but a bit stiff in turning and the p series rides slow but turns well. I ride the h2s with a lot of shim (1-2 degrees) and I ride the progressions with 0-0.5 shim.

Have you tried Armstrong HA925? Wondering how does the P125 compares given they have a similar ratio.

I have not. I have the most experience on Uni, Takuma, Cabrinha, and Lift gear.

At 72kg, I am in the midst of dialing in a smaller board (48L) and have been using the Progression 140 in the process. I have paired it with the 75cm Katana mast, medium fuse and KD Marlin 14" tail (-0.5 shim). I keep waiting to run across something that this wing doesn't do well but it seems to handle whatever I throw at it. Here are my observations:- easy to get on foil
- predictable in turns
- stable at speed
- easy to jump
- great glide through tacks and jibes
- good pump
- low stall speed

I've heard people say it's not the fastest wing but foil design is all about compromise and this foil was designed for small gutless prone conditions. I was able to squeeze out 21.5kts using a 5.5m wing.

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gneve said..
At 72kg, I am in the midst of dialing in a smaller board (48L) and have been using the Progression 140 in the process. I have paired it with the 75cm Katana mast, medium fuse and KD Marlin 14" tail (-0.5 shim). I keep waiting to run across something that this wing doesn't do well but it seems to handle whatever I throw at it. Here are my observations:- easy to get on foil
- predictable in turns
- stable at speed
- easy to jump
- great glide through tacks and jibes
- good pump
- low stall speed

I've heard people say it's not the fastest wing but foil design is all about compromise and this foil was designed for small gutless prone conditions. I was able to squeeze out 21.5kts using a 5.5m wing.

21kts is very impressive for that wing. I really like the 140 when Im in big conditions where I want to slow things down, as opposed to the 125 which is most fun when I feel like I am in total control of the conditions and can really open things up. The 140 is a very easy foil to control when it is powered. It doesn't get overpowered, it just hits a speed wall. Ive ridden it with the marlin, and it works well (and unlocks some speed), but the Progression 14.5 tail is my favorite for the 125 and the 140.