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Skidding when going upwind

Created by Ch0p Ch0p  > 9 months ago, 26 May 2021
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Ch0p
Ch0p

59 posts

26 May 2021 1:44am
I am up on the foil and trying to go upwind. Sometimes the mast seems to lose traction and starts to skid sideways. This seems to happen more when pushing harder upwind and/or a bigger chop hits.

I am coming from windsurfing so I tend to push the wing towards the end of the board. I also used to get this when pushing too hard sideways on the windsurf fin. Not sure if this is related to my current problems :-(

Any advice?
Windbot
Windbot

510 posts

26 May 2021 2:49am
It sounds to me like your mast is stalling, similar to a fin spinout in windsurfing, just like you said. Are you powered up and cranking steep upwind when it happens? I think you have hit the upwind angle limit of your setup.
LeeD
LeeD

3939 posts

26 May 2021 3:45am
Sink the heel, the foil holds needing little mast help.
J_foil
J_foil

NSW

128 posts

26 May 2021 7:23am
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Ch0p said..
I am up on the foil and trying to go upwind. Sometimes the mast seems to lose traction and starts to skid sideways. This seems to happen more when pushing harder upwind and/or a bigger chop hits.

I am coming from windsurfing so I tend to push the wing towards the end of the board. I also used to get this when pushing too hard sideways on the windsurf fin. Not sure if this is related to my current problems :-(

Any advice?


I noticed this changing from a flip tip stab (with winglets) to a flat stab. When im riding the flat tail I just dont push so hard in my back leg, keep forces faily even, maybe I narrow up the stance a bit.
mcrt
mcrt

643 posts

26 May 2021 6:21am
Lean the foil towards the wind,if you try to ride it flat with yaw it is very inefficient.
martyj4
martyj4

534 posts

26 May 2021 6:57am
ChOp, I used to have the same problems with my 1st gen Naish 1220cm2 foil. Often found it occurred when it was close to breaching and had that 'spin out' feel. For me, it felt like the power of the sail was providing lots of lift and I'd try and wash that excess off by turning up into the wind a bit, and then spin out would occur.
When I feel it coming on, I depower the sail, twist my body to steer the nose off the wind and use a bit more front foot to keep the foil deeper in the water. The second gen naish and axis foils rarely do this as I think they're designed much better. My technique has probably improved a bit too.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

26 May 2021 7:09am
Mast skidding out. That could be a tail issue
as mentioned above.
LeeD
LeeD

3939 posts

26 May 2021 9:22am
Obviously, tilt the windward rail down...but then you go upwind.
Ch0p
Ch0p

59 posts

26 May 2021 12:44pm
Nice, will give it a try!
Ch0p
Ch0p

59 posts

29 May 2021 8:32pm
Finally tried yesterday to lean into the wind, it's magical. Thanks mcrt, LeeD and everyone else. It's obvious in hindsight but there are so many things going on :-)
mcrt
mcrt

643 posts

29 May 2021 8:46pm
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Ch0p said..
Finally tried yesterday to lean into the wind, it's magical. Thanks mcrt, LeeD and everyone else. It's obvious in hindsight but there are so many things going on :-)


I used to windsurf too,i also tried moving the sail back and digging the downwind rail on the wingthing :)
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