Well gradually it is getting worse and worse, So rest up, gets better, go out, have a good session, plays up again, and they cycle goes on!The other day after a long rest between winging, i was my own worst enemy, went out for 4hrs straight, blasting falling in having a great time. However, when I go home, man couldn't even lift my arm up, pain was severe, took some tablets and iced. Now I am thinking what can i do to get this back to normal and enjoy my winging!Anyone else out there same experiance, if so what have you done to get back to normality and still enjoy the sport??

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Donathon said..
Well gradually it is getting worse and worse, So rest up, gets better, go out, have a good session, plays up again, and they cycle goes on!The other day after a long rest between winging, i was my own worst enemy, went out for 4hrs straight, blasting falling in having a great time. However, when I go home, man couldn't even lift my arm up, pain was severe, took some tablets and iced. Now I am thinking what can i do to get this back to normal and enjoy my winging!Anyone else out there same experiance, if so what have you done to get back to normality and still enjoy the sport??

I had a shoulder issue last year that would flair up after winging. It came down to having weak/imbalanced rotator cuff muscles on my weak shoulder. Doing healside tacks didn't help things! Poor biomechanics can tear up your body over time for sure. Imagine throwing a ball over and over with your weak arm with terrible 'shoulder forward' form.

I ended up getting this shoulder reliever tool, which included a brace to keep my arm at my side during sleep (not up under my pillow). After a while of using the tool and not allowing a flair up, i'm back to 100%. If you have a more significant tear, a doctor visit may be the call.

Definitely use a harness line for those longer sessions if you aren't already! Especially while you are rehabbing. Hold off tacks for the time being too.

Thanks for that info, well I always use the harness, the right shoulder has already been operated on, that was a calification on the tendon, this feels different just insanly sore. Off to the osteopath on Monday, lets see what she can do, fingers crossed.

Sounds like typical TMS pain. If nothing is damaged, if you ruled out that. Take a look at Healing back pain by Dr Sarno. Rotator cuff tears are typical TMS locations. The fear of hurting yourself is whats keeping the pain alive. Good luck.

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larsdegroot said..
Sounds like typical TMS pain. If nothing is damaged, if you ruled out that. Take a look at Healing back pain by Dr Sarno. Rotator cuff tears are typical TMS locations. The fear of hurting yourself is whats keeping the pain alive. Good luck.

Interesting google on TMS, never heard of it before.

I started having problems with my right shoulder rotator cuff at the gym two years ago. Long 5-hour wing surfing sessions definitely didn't help. I reduced surfing and went to physiotherapy, doing the recommended exercises for about six months. It didn't improve. After that, I surfed about twice a week. Last autumn, the situation changed, and I developed a frozen shoulder, which lasted about three months. For a couple of months, I had to take all three types of painkillers to be able to sleep. Now the pain is gone, but there are still significant movement restrictions. Since I haven't been able to use my arm for practically anything for 3 months, it seems that the inflammation of the rotator cuff has subsided slightly. I have been cautiously swimming breaststroke for about 2 months now, several times a week, and my arm has strengthened and is unexpectedly quite good now. I also increased my protein intake. The problem is that breaststroke has made my lower back sore. Therefore, I can't swim anymore. In the future, the plan is to surf for a maximum of 3 hours a day with a rest day in between. Additionally, I will try to do takeoffs in the air in a way that doesn't require raising my right arm. I suspect that my arm won't fully recover, and I'll have to be cautious with it in the future, accepting that my range of motion will be limited. And all this despite the fact that our lakes are frozen for 2-4 months a year, during which I don't surf! And yes I use harness. Former windsurfer.

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Donathon said..

larsdegroot said..
Sounds like typical TMS pain. If nothing is damaged, if you ruled out that. Take a look at Healing back pain by Dr Sarno. Rotator cuff tears are typical TMS locations. The fear of hurting yourself is whats keeping the pain alive. Good luck.

Interesting google on TMS, never heard of it before.

Believe me, if you dive in the work of Dr Sarno, you ll be amazed what you will find. I had troubles with neck/back and allot more. I fixed it by reading a book, like thousands others. Fear is fuel for pain. The pain is real but it's originated in the mind. Make sure you rule out a serious condition, if all is good. Look in TMS.

Had shoulder problem underneath shoulder blade. Physio said as I raised arms to hold wing I was also raising shoulder. A few stretching exercises and change in technique stopped problem.

Same. Pain in right shoulder at front since I took up winging two years ago. (Winged 4-5 days a week, 3-5hrs a session.) Six months of physiotherapy. Six months of specific gym, rehabilitation work. Two lots of Cortizone injections into the bursa. Finally went to see a specialist/surgeon who said part of the problem was osteo arthritis and also bicep tendon issue. Put a Cortizone injection specifically into it and I sit with my fingers crossed.

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Donathon said..
Well gradually it is getting worse and worse, So rest up, gets better, go out, have a good session, plays up again, and they cycle goes on!The other day after a long rest between winging, i was my own worst enemy, went out for 4hrs straight, blasting falling in having a great time. However, when I go home, man couldn't even lift my arm up, pain was severe, took some tablets and iced. Now I am thinking what can i do to get this back to normal and enjoy my winging!Anyone else out there same experiance, if so what have you done to get back to normality and still enjoy the sport??

I had a shoulder issue last year that would flair up after winging. It came down to having weak/imbalanced rotator cuff muscles on my weak shoulder. Doing healside tacks didn't help things! Poor biomechanics can tear up your body over time for sure. Imagine throwing a ball over and over with your weak arm with terrible 'shoulder forward' form.

I ended up getting this shoulder reliever tool, which included a brace to keep my arm at my side during sleep (not up under my pillow). After a while of using the tool and not allowing a flair up, i'm back to 100%. If you have a more significant tear, a doctor visit may be the call.

Definitely use a harness line for those longer sessions if you aren't already! Especially while you are rehabbing. Hold off tacks for the time being too.

Which tool? Got a link please.

I'll throw another non-surgical treatment option into the mix; prolotherapy. Steroids and painkillers primarily treat the symptoms, not the underlying issue. Prolotherapy not a magical cure-all but it can help tremendously under the right conditions.

FWIW acute joint inflammation is the body going through the process of healing itself by getting increased blood flow to the injured area. Ice actually impedes that process. Chronic joint inflammation is the bad stuff (sort of like an acute inflammation healing process that gets stuck) but that's different from acute inflammation. My feeble 2 cents


caringmedical.com/home/conditions/shoulder-pain/

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mikey100 said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

Donathon said..
Well gradually it is getting worse and worse, So rest up, gets better, go out, have a good session, plays up again, and they cycle goes on!The other day after a long rest between winging, i was my own worst enemy, went out for 4hrs straight, blasting falling in having a great time. However, when I go home, man couldn't even lift my arm up, pain was severe, took some tablets and iced. Now I am thinking what can i do to get this back to normal and enjoy my winging!Anyone else out there same experiance, if so what have you done to get back to normality and still enjoy the sport??

I had a shoulder issue last year that would flair up after winging. It came down to having weak/imbalanced rotator cuff muscles on my weak shoulder. Doing healside tacks didn't help things! Poor biomechanics can tear up your body over time for sure. Imagine throwing a ball over and over with your weak arm with terrible 'shoulder forward' form.

I ended up getting this shoulder reliever tool, which included a brace to keep my arm at my side during sleep (not up under my pillow). After a while of using the tool and not allowing a flair up, i'm back to 100%. If you have a more significant tear, a doctor visit may be the call.

Definitely use a harness line for those longer sessions if you aren't already! Especially while you are rehabbing. Hold off tacks for the time being too.

Which tool? Got a link please.

shoulderreliever.com/products/shoulderreliever

Followed the workout schedule and my shoulder got significantly stronger and the pain went away. Keeping my arm down at night also kept me from aggravating my injury and allowed recovery/healing.

One doc said my shoulder was mostly unfixable due to the underlying structure being akin to a wet sponge. Second opinion doc was ready to rebuild everything. Stopped kitesurfing, sup, and swimming. Moderated surfing and winging with hiking and biking. Increased stabilization muscle exercises, and most importantly, stopped activity when sore. Now several years later, I'm just as strong and pain free as if I had had surgery.

My other shoulder was torn years ago and had to be repaired to regain use. So advice is to learn to listen to your body. If it's broken, you'll know it. If it's screaming at you with pain and swelling, maybe you just need to lay off for a while! Accupunture and massage do wonders for shoulder rehab. Take photos of your buddies and edit a video or somthing if you have to go down to the beach for sanity and don't bring your gear!

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MidAtlanticFoil said..

mikey100 said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

Donathon said..
Well gradually it is getting worse and worse, So rest up, gets better, go out, have a good session, plays up again, and they cycle goes on!The other day after a long rest between winging, i was my own worst enemy, went out for 4hrs straight, blasting falling in having a great time. However, when I go home, man couldn't even lift my arm up, pain was severe, took some tablets and iced. Now I am thinking what can i do to get this back to normal and enjoy my winging!Anyone else out there same experiance, if so what have you done to get back to normality and still enjoy the sport??

I had a shoulder issue last year that would flair up after winging. It came down to having weak/imbalanced rotator cuff muscles on my weak shoulder. Doing healside tacks didn't help things! Poor biomechanics can tear up your body over time for sure. Imagine throwing a ball over and over with your weak arm with terrible 'shoulder forward' form.

I ended up getting this shoulder reliever tool, which included a brace to keep my arm at my side during sleep (not up under my pillow). After a while of using the tool and not allowing a flair up, i'm back to 100%. If you have a more significant tear, a doctor visit may be the call.

Definitely use a harness line for those longer sessions if you aren't already! Especially while you are rehabbing. Hold off tacks for the time being too.

Which tool? Got a link please.

shoulderreliever.com/products/shoulderreliever

Followed the workout schedule and my shoulder got significantly stronger and the pain went away. Keeping my arm down at night also kept me from aggravating my injury and allowed recovery/healing.

Well done some research and the tool looks great and makes common sense, what does not make sense is the price, so after some digging around, I found I guy that basically got an adjustable jump rope, cut it to the length required, added a carabina hook and then attached different sized fishing weights. all for under 30 euros.I am off to decathalon as we speak ??

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Donathon said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

mikey100 said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

Donathon said..
Well gradually it is getting worse and worse, So rest up, gets better, go out, have a good session, plays up again, and they cycle goes on!The other day after a long rest between winging, i was my own worst enemy, went out for 4hrs straight, blasting falling in having a great time. However, when I go home, man couldn't even lift my arm up, pain was severe, took some tablets and iced. Now I am thinking what can i do to get this back to normal and enjoy my winging!Anyone else out there same experiance, if so what have you done to get back to normality and still enjoy the sport??

I had a shoulder issue last year that would flair up after winging. It came down to having weak/imbalanced rotator cuff muscles on my weak shoulder. Doing healside tacks didn't help things! Poor biomechanics can tear up your body over time for sure. Imagine throwing a ball over and over with your weak arm with terrible 'shoulder forward' form.

I ended up getting this shoulder reliever tool, which included a brace to keep my arm at my side during sleep (not up under my pillow). After a while of using the tool and not allowing a flair up, i'm back to 100%. If you have a more significant tear, a doctor visit may be the call.

Definitely use a harness line for those longer sessions if you aren't already! Especially while you are rehabbing. Hold off tacks for the time being too.

Which tool? Got a link please.

shoulderreliever.com/products/shoulderreliever

Followed the workout schedule and my shoulder got significantly stronger and the pain went away. Keeping my arm down at night also kept me from aggravating my injury and allowed recovery/healing.

Well done some research and the tool looks great and makes common sense, what does not make sense is the price, so after some digging around, I found I guy that basically got an adjustable jump rope, cut it to the length required, added a carabina hook and then attached different sized fishing weights. all for under 30 euros.I am off to decathalon as we speak ??

Nicely done! The tool is definitely overpriced, so your solution sounds perfect. It really is just a jump rope with ball bearing.

A few ideas ...

1. Healing is slow, at best, in a toxic/acidic body. Stop intake of poisons. eg. No more seed oils, most importantly. No processed foods (colours etc). Reduce sugar intake greatly. No more polluted water intake. Zero meds. No caffeine. etc.
2. Train the muscle groups needed to position your head and shoulders correctly. A sailing harness helps with this.
3. Tendons issues? Then eat tendons. No kidding. You cannot consume too much collagen. If you're a vegan then it's likely that you're going to need 10x more healing time.
4. Rub pure arnica oil into clean skin, then spray DMSO over the oil, to take it into your body. Once per day. Be amazed. Do the same with castor oil, once per week. Some magnesium salt in the DMSO is even better.
5. If you have scar tissue, then it might help to get it broken down via remedial massage. But the prev steps combined with gradual increase in use could bring you back to 100%, since you'll break the scare tissue when you experience the good type of pain.
6. Most important is to set your intention, in a calm state of mind. Dream and live your life knowing that your body will work, and continue to work because that's what you expect of it, and be grateful for every lesson that your body or life offers you. Be very cautious of cursing your body or yourself, since this place doesn't work the way kids get taught at school or uni.

Bpc 157. Was reluctant to try but I made very quick improvements with my elbow tendonitis, nothing really helped before. Listen to the recent Huberman episode on this also, its very interesting.